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US U-2 Spy Plane Trespasses PLA Live Firing Drill Area

Trump can only win elections if he destroy China so I believe this time, usa wants war or probably a limited war. India and USA both are on same page.
 
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The US just wants inroads into India. They are selling China as a threat and uptil now, the Indians are falling for it hook line and sinker. I'd say good for us, a belligerent India will enable us to settle some old scores.
Whatever the case is, the next war will not be between China and India but between China/Pakistan and India. Given their strategic relationship and Indian actions in recent years, there is no way the war will just between one country and India. A simultaneous joint Sino-Pakistani pincer attack in the west and the Chinese attack in the east will be necessary. Only a complete and total Indian defeat can be accepted.
 
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Idiots. Their false flag operations will cause WWIII.
 
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China Freaks Out Over Supposed U-2 Spy Plane Flight Over Its Naval Exercise
China says the U-2 dangerously interfered with its naval drills. Meanwhile, it seems Beijing may execute a major anti-ship ballistic missile test.
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China is making a big deal out of a supposed overflight by a U.S. Air Force U-2 spy plane of one of its currently underway People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) exercises. It isn't clear where exactly the incident is claimed to have taken place as China has four major naval wargames underway in the South China Sea, Yellow Sea, East China Sea, of Sea of Bohai right now. The northeastern reaches of the South China Sea, in particular, has experienced a massive uptick in military activity in recent weeks, with Chinese forces and U.S. forces flooding the area with military capabilities. The U.S. has placed a near-constant stream of surveillance aircraft over the area and Taiwan has raised its alert status due to the activity level of PLAN assets. The latest Chinese drills in that region are slated to run from the 24th to the 29th, but in the case of the supposed U-2 mission in question, the Yellow Sea exercises seem most likely where the high flying spy aircraft crashed the PLAN's party.

U-2s sortie out of Osan Air Base in South Korea, making the trip west to the Yellow Sea local in nature. China also says the incident occurred in an area that was under its Northern Theater Command's responsibility, pointing to exercises in this area. The U.S. still hasn't confirmed the mission took place or responded on any level to China's accusations.


According to Reuters, China says its Defense Ministry has lodged 'stern representations" with the U.S. government over the U-2 “seriously interfering in normal exercise activities" that could have resulted in an "unexpected incident." They added that the flight was "an act of provocation, and China is resolutely opposed to it... China demands the U.S. side immediately stop this kind of provocative behavior and take actual steps to safeguard peace and stability in the region.”

While China can issue a notice to airmen (NOTAM) warning of live-fire drills, the vast majority of the exercise would have taken place in international waters. So, the U-2 may have waltzed into or near China's air defense identification zone, and the airspace it 'closed' for the exercise, but that doesn't mean it broke any territorial boundaries.

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Still, doing so is undoubtedly a bold move. If China was executing live-fire drills, placing an aircraft in that area ups the risk of a mistake being made. Still, they could see the U-2 coming from far away and the aircraft has one of the world's most capable electronic warfare self-protection suites. The potential payoffs of pushing one of these spy planes directly over or near a Chinese live-fire naval exercise are also quite high. The aircraft could suck up all of the PLAN's radar, data-links, and other communications signatures, as well as eavesdrop on its voice communications and monitor its operational procedures. Just how the PLAN would respond to the U-2 being there and what sensors would track it could dramatically increase the fidelity of this intelligence value, as well. In other words, it would both stimulate and surveil the PLAN's integrated air defense capabilities.

It's also worth noting that China has no fighter aircraft capable of physically intercepting a U-2 and harassing it. That doesn't mean they don't have the capability to shoot one down though, but an incident like the one that occurred off of Hainan Island in 2001, which involved a much lower-flying U.S. Navy EP-3E Aries II spy plane, wouldn't be a factor when employing a U-2.

As it sits now, China looks set to potentially execute a major test of its anti-ship ballistic missile capabilities in the coming hours and days. This would be a relatively large development as these anti-access/area-denial long-range weapons are among the most mysterious yet feared capabilities in China's arsenal, ones aimed squarely at U.S. carrier strike groups that frequent the region. The People's Liberation Army reportedly conducted a similar ballistic missile exercise last year, which also involved firing the weapons into the South China Sea from areas deep within the mainland.


It will be interesting to see if China responds to this overflight militarily. The Chinese military has its own stable of high-altitude, long-endurance aircraft, unmanned ones, that it could send over U.S. carrier strike groups, but doing so could give away certain vulnerabilities in their sensors and data-links. Still, that would be the closest thing China has to a direct response at this time.

Regardless of what comes next as part of China's big summer rush of naval exercises, if this mission did indeed take place, it would be clear that the U.S. military is upping the invasiveness of its surveillance flights near PLAN operations and also heightening the risk it is willing to take on in the process. It serves as yet another sign of the growing unease between the two superpowers.

 
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China says US U-2 spy plane disrupted its military exercises

Hong Kong (CNN)Beijing has accused the US of sending a U-2 spy plane into a no-fly zone to "trespass" on live-fire exercises being conducted by China below.

The high-altitude US reconnaissance craft went into airspace Beijing deemed off limits during drills by the People's Liberation Army's Northern Theater Command on Tuesday, Wu Qian, a spokesperson for the Chinese Defense Ministry, said in a statement.

"The trespass severely affected China's normal exercises and training activities, and violated the rules of behavior for air and maritime safety between China and the United States, as well as relevant international practices," Wu said.
"The US action could easily have resulted in misjudgments and even accidents."

Two exercises were underway Tuesday in Northern Theater Command, according to Chinese state media.
A statement from US Pacific Air Forces to CNN confirmed a U-2 flight -- but said it did not violate any rules.

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"A U-2 sortie was conducted in the Indo-Pacific area of operations and within the accepted international rules and regulations governing aircraft flights. Pacific Air Forces personnel will continue to fly and operate anywhere international law allows, at the time and tempo of our choosing," the statement said.

Military analyst Carl Schuster, a former director of operations at the US Pacific Command's Joint Intelligence Center, expressed doubt about Beijing's claims.

"Flying over rarely -- if ever -- happens anymore," he said, adding the US spy plane's equipment is so sophisticated that it didn't need to get so close to monitor the Chinese exercises.


A Cold War aircraft updated
The unarmed U-2 is one of the oldest aircraft in the US inventory. The first model, developed to monitor the military buildup of the Soviet Union early in the Cold War, flew in the 1950s. Those early models flew at 70,000 feet to stay out of range of antiaircraft missiles.

But while height was the U-2's early advantage, it has received substantial upgrades in the decades since to keep its distance too.

"U-2s have long-distance surveillance systems now. So, they can monitor and image from dozens of miles away. They have electronic and long-range infrared and electro-optical sensors," Schuster said.
He said Beijing is focusing on the U-2's history to try to make a political point.

"The Chinese are using the traditional view of U-2s as overhead imagery platforms to present a picture of dangerous penetration of a closed exercise air space," Schuster said. "The Chinese couldn't intercept and shoulder the U-2 away, but they resent any collection of their exercise activities."

China launched three military exercise on Monday alone in Pacific waters, from the South China Sea in the south to the Bohai Sea in the north. Meanwhile, another exercise was finishing Wednesday in the Yellow Sea, according to a report from the state-run China Daily.

"The past month has seen more military exercises conducted by the PLA than any previous month in many years," China Daily reported, citing Li Jie, a retired researcher at the PLA Naval Research Academy.
The US, meanwhile, has been stepping up its own military activities around the Pacific.

Secretary of Defense Mark Esper said in July that US Navy freedom of navigation operations, in which US warships sail close to contested islands occupied by China, were at record levels last year -- and that pace would continue in 2020.

US Air Force deploys bombers
Esper's statement came after the US Navy staged exercises involving two aircraft carrier strike groups in the South China Sea, the first time it had done so in six years.

The US Air Force has been active around the Indo-Pacific too, recently sending three of its B-2 stealth bombers to an island base at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, as well as B-1 bombers to Andersen Air Force Base in Guam.
On August 17, the US Pacific Air Forces touted the fact that B-1s, B-2s, plus US Navy and Marine Corps fighters and jets from the Japan Air Self Defense Force were all engaged in exercises in the Indo-Pacific in a single 24-hour period.

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"These missions show the ability of Air Force Global Strike Command to deliver lethal, ready, long-range strike options to geographic combatant commanders anytime, anywhere," a statement from Pacific Air Forces said.
China says US air activity over the South China Sea in particular has been significant.

In an interview with the state-run Xinhua news agency in early August, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi accused Washington of sending 2,000 military flights over the South China Sea in the first half of this year. That would be a rate of almost 11 a day.

US officials would not confirm those numbers.

"There has been no significant change to our military operations in or around the South China Sea," Maj. Randy Ready, spokesman for the US Indo-Pacific Command, said. "Though the frequency and scope of our operations vary based on the current operating environment, the US has a persistent military presence and routinely operates throughout the Indo-Pacific, including the waters and airspace surrounding the South China Sea, just as we have for more than a century."

Tensions have also been increasing on the subject of Taiwan. In August, US Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar visited Taipei -- the highest-ranking US official to go there in decades -- and the sale of 66 US F-16 fighter jets to the self-governing island was finalized.

During Azar's visit, the PLA sent fighter jets across the median line of the Taiwan Strait that separates Taiwan from the mainland -- only the third time it has purposely done so since 1999.


US 'accelerating' defense strategy
This week, Esper penned an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal saying the US was "accelerating" its National Defense Strategy (NDS).

"The NDS guides our efforts to adapt and modernize America's armed forces for great-power competition, with China being our principal focus," Esper wrote.

The US defense chief said the PLA was a tool of the Chinese Communist Party.

"China's leaders view the military as central to achieving their objectives. Prominent among these is to reshape the international order in ways that undermine globally accepted rules while normalizing authoritarianism, creating conditions to allow the Chinese Communist Party to coerce other countries and impede their sovereignty," Esper wrote.

He said he was coming to the Pacific this week to meet with leaders from the region, with stops in Hawaii, Palau and Guam.

Esper's stop in Hawaii will come as the US wraps up biennial RIMPAC exercises in Hawaii. Usually the world's largest naval exercises, they have been scaled back this year due to the Covid-19 pandemic, with only 10 nations participating.

 
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China says US U-2 spy plane disrupted its military exercises

Hong Kong (CNN)Beijing has accused the US of sending a U-2 spy plane into a no-fly zone to "trespass" on live-fire exercises being conducted by China below.

The high-altitude US reconnaissance craft went into airspace Beijing deemed off limits during drills by the People's Liberation Army's Northern Theater Command on Tuesday, Wu Qian, a spokesperson for the Chinese Defense Ministry, said in a statement.

"The trespass severely affected China's normal exercises and training activities, and violated the rules of behavior for air and maritime safety between China and the United States, as well as relevant international practices," Wu said.
"The US action could easily have resulted in misjudgments and even accidents."

Two exercises were underway Tuesday in Northern Theater Command, according to Chinese state media.
A statement from US Pacific Air Forces to CNN confirmed a U-2 flight -- but said it did not violate any rules.

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"A U-2 sortie was conducted in the Indo-Pacific area of operations and within the accepted international rules and regulations governing aircraft flights. Pacific Air Forces personnel will continue to fly and operate anywhere international law allows, at the time and tempo of our choosing," the statement said.

Military analyst Carl Schuster, a former director of operations at the US Pacific Command's Joint Intelligence Center, expressed doubt about Beijing's claims.

"Flying over rarely -- if ever -- happens anymore," he said, adding the US spy plane's equipment is so sophisticated that it didn't need to get so close to monitor the Chinese exercises.


A Cold War aircraft updated
The unarmed U-2 is one of the oldest aircraft in the US inventory. The first model, developed to monitor the military buildup of the Soviet Union early in the Cold War, flew in the 1950s. Those early models flew at 70,000 feet to stay out of range of antiaircraft missiles.

But while height was the U-2's early advantage, it has received substantial upgrades in the decades since to keep its distance too.

"U-2s have long-distance surveillance systems now. So, they can monitor and image from dozens of miles away. They have electronic and long-range infrared and electro-optical sensors," Schuster said.
He said Beijing is focusing on the U-2's history to try to make a political point.

"The Chinese are using the traditional view of U-2s as overhead imagery platforms to present a picture of dangerous penetration of a closed exercise air space," Schuster said. "The Chinese couldn't intercept and shoulder the U-2 away, but they resent any collection of their exercise activities."

China launched three military exercise on Monday alone in Pacific waters, from the South China Sea in the south to the Bohai Sea in the north. Meanwhile, another exercise was finishing Wednesday in the Yellow Sea, according to a report from the state-run China Daily.

"The past month has seen more military exercises conducted by the PLA than any previous month in many years," China Daily reported, citing Li Jie, a retired researcher at the PLA Naval Research Academy.
The US, meanwhile, has been stepping up its own military activities around the Pacific.

Secretary of Defense Mark Esper said in July that US Navy freedom of navigation operations, in which US warships sail close to contested islands occupied by China, were at record levels last year -- and that pace would continue in 2020.

US Air Force deploys bombers
Esper's statement came after the US Navy staged exercises involving two aircraft carrier strike groups in the South China Sea, the first time it had done so in six years.

The US Air Force has been active around the Indo-Pacific too, recently sending three of its B-2 stealth bombers to an island base at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, as well as B-1 bombers to Andersen Air Force Base in Guam.
On August 17, the US Pacific Air Forces touted the fact that B-1s, B-2s, plus US Navy and Marine Corps fighters and jets from the Japan Air Self Defense Force were all engaged in exercises in the Indo-Pacific in a single 24-hour period.

View attachment 664120


"These missions show the ability of Air Force Global Strike Command to deliver lethal, ready, long-range strike options to geographic combatant commanders anytime, anywhere," a statement from Pacific Air Forces said.
China says US air activity over the South China Sea in particular has been significant.

In an interview with the state-run Xinhua news agency in early August, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi accused Washington of sending 2,000 military flights over the South China Sea in the first half of this year. That would be a rate of almost 11 a day.

US officials would not confirm those numbers.

"There has been no significant change to our military operations in or around the South China Sea," Maj. Randy Ready, spokesman for the US Indo-Pacific Command, said. "Though the frequency and scope of our operations vary based on the current operating environment, the US has a persistent military presence and routinely operates throughout the Indo-Pacific, including the waters and airspace surrounding the South China Sea, just as we have for more than a century."

Tensions have also been increasing on the subject of Taiwan. In August, US Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar visited Taipei -- the highest-ranking US official to go there in decades -- and the sale of 66 US F-16 fighter jets to the self-governing island was finalized.

During Azar's visit, the PLA sent fighter jets across the median line of the Taiwan Strait that separates Taiwan from the mainland -- only the third time it has purposely done so since 1999.


US 'accelerating' defense strategy
This week, Esper penned an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal saying the US was "accelerating" its National Defense Strategy (NDS).

"The NDS guides our efforts to adapt and modernize America's armed forces for great-power competition, with China being our principal focus," Esper wrote.

The US defense chief said the PLA was a tool of the Chinese Communist Party.

"China's leaders view the military as central to achieving their objectives. Prominent among these is to reshape the international order in ways that undermine globally accepted rules while normalizing authoritarianism, creating conditions to allow the Chinese Communist Party to coerce other countries and impede their sovereignty," Esper wrote.

He said he was coming to the Pacific this week to meet with leaders from the region, with stops in Hawaii, Palau and Guam.

Esper's stop in Hawaii will come as the US wraps up biennial RIMPAC exercises in Hawaii. Usually the world's largest naval exercises, they have been scaled back this year due to the Covid-19 pandemic, with only 10 nations participating.

This is U-2 in China museum
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China should have shot it down and portrayed it as a mistake and should have blamed US for flying over a live fire exercise. I guess chinese showing restraint.
 
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China Freaks Out Over Supposed U-2 Spy Plane Flight Over Its Naval Exercise
China says the U-2 dangerously interfered with its naval drills. Meanwhile, it seems Beijing may execute a major anti-ship ballistic missile test.
View attachment 664117

China is making a big deal out of a supposed overflight by a U.S. Air Force U-2 spy plane of one of its currently underway People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) exercises. It isn't clear where exactly the incident is claimed to have taken place as China has four major naval wargames underway in the South China Sea, Yellow Sea, East China Sea, of Sea of Bohai right now. The northeastern reaches of the South China Sea, in particular, has experienced a massive uptick in military activity in recent weeks, with Chinese forces and U.S. forces flooding the area with military capabilities. The U.S. has placed a near-constant stream of surveillance aircraft over the area and Taiwan has raised its alert status due to the activity level of PLAN assets. The latest Chinese drills in that region are slated to run from the 24th to the 29th, but in the case of the supposed U-2 mission in question, the Yellow Sea exercises seem most likely where the high flying spy aircraft crashed the PLAN's party.

U-2s sortie out of Osan Air Base in South Korea, making the trip west to the Yellow Sea local in nature. China also says the incident occurred in an area that was under its Northern Theater Command's responsibility, pointing to exercises in this area. The U.S. still hasn't confirmed the mission took place or responded on any level to China's accusations.


According to Reuters, China says its Defense Ministry has lodged 'stern representations" with the U.S. government over the U-2 “seriously interfering in normal exercise activities" that could have resulted in an "unexpected incident." They added that the flight was "an act of provocation, and China is resolutely opposed to it... China demands the U.S. side immediately stop this kind of provocative behavior and take actual steps to safeguard peace and stability in the region.”

While China can issue a notice to airmen (NOTAM) warning of live-fire drills, the vast majority of the exercise would have taken place in international waters. So, the U-2 may have waltzed into or near China's air defense identification zone, and the airspace it 'closed' for the exercise, but that doesn't mean it broke any territorial boundaries.

View attachment 664118


Still, doing so is undoubtedly a bold move. If China was executing live-fire drills, placing an aircraft in that area ups the risk of a mistake being made. Still, they could see the U-2 coming from far away and the aircraft has one of the world's most capable electronic warfare self-protection suites. The potential payoffs of pushing one of these spy planes directly over or near a Chinese live-fire naval exercise are also quite high. The aircraft could suck up all of the PLAN's radar, data-links, and other communications signatures, as well as eavesdrop on its voice communications and monitor its operational procedures. Just how the PLAN would respond to the U-2 being there and what sensors would track it could dramatically increase the fidelity of this intelligence value, as well. In other words, it would both stimulate and surveil the PLAN's integrated air defense capabilities.

It's also worth noting that China has no fighter aircraft capable of physically intercepting a U-2 and harassing it. That doesn't mean they don't have the capability to shoot one down though, but an incident like the one that occurred off of Hainan Island in 2001, which involved a much lower-flying U.S. Navy EP-3E Aries II spy plane, wouldn't be a factor when employing a U-2.

As it sits now, China looks set to potentially execute a major test of its anti-ship ballistic missile capabilities in the coming hours and days. This would be a relatively large development as these anti-access/area-denial long-range weapons are among the most mysterious yet feared capabilities in China's arsenal, ones aimed squarely at U.S. carrier strike groups that frequent the region. The People's Liberation Army reportedly conducted a similar ballistic missile exercise last year, which also involved firing the weapons into the South China Sea from areas deep within the mainland.


It will be interesting to see if China responds to this overflight militarily. The Chinese military has its own stable of high-altitude, long-endurance aircraft, unmanned ones, that it could send over U.S. carrier strike groups, but doing so could give away certain vulnerabilities in their sensors and data-links. Still, that would be the closest thing China has to a direct response at this time.

Regardless of what comes next as part of China's big summer rush of naval exercises, if this mission did indeed take place, it would be clear that the U.S. military is upping the invasiveness of its surveillance flights near PLAN operations and also heightening the risk it is willing to take on in the process. It serves as yet another sign of the growing unease between the two superpowers.


What would happen if China shoots the u-2 down and claim that it was an accident as the aircraft intruded over live fire Training

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The Black Cat Squadron (Chinese: 黑貓中隊; pinyin: Hēimāo Zhōngduì), formally the 35th Squadron, was a squadron of the Republic of China Air Force that flew the U-2 surveillance plane out of Taoyuan Air Base in northern Taiwan, from 1961 to 1974. 26 ROCAF pilots successfully completed U-2 training in the US and flew 220 operational missions,[1] with about half over the People's Republic of China.
 
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China should have shot it down and portrayed it as a mistake and should have blamed US for flying over a live fire exercise. I guess chinese showing restraint.
Nah Xi a pussy... Xi the type of guy that wouldn't bust a grape in a fruit fight and you all know that’s a fact.

 
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It's just a game, but I've never seen a game of kill American soldiers (by example), games like movies and tv series have a brainwashing effect.

In my opinion it must not be censored, if someone dont like the game, there's freedom to do another better with the plot the protestor like.
China should have shot it down and portrayed it as a mistake and should have blamed US for flying over a live fire exercise. I guess chinese showing restraint.
What would happen if China shoots the u-2 down and claim that it was an accident as the aircraft intruded over live fire Training

kv
It doesn't work that way...
 
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I think China will shoot U2 plane, like Russian did in past.
 
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I was reading somewhere that China can take Taiwan in 3 days and usa won't be able to do anything.
 
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