US to continue spy flights after jets 'pursued' by China over Taiwan

[Juice]

China can shoot down US aircraft whenever it wants to. PLAAF completely dominates the air. In 2010 USAF tried to challenge China in the Yellow Sea but their F-22s were locked on by PLAAF fighters. One F/A-18 was damaged by electronic warfare attack and had a very hard landing on the aircraft carrier. Apparently the B-2 that crashed on Guam a couple of years back was also damaged by Chinese electronic warfare attack.

In a shooting war, USAF would be knocked out very swiftly. USAF already considers F-22 a failed project. Now F-35 is going to be cut back too. J-10's and J-20's will be ruling the air for decades to come.

I'm glad you have such faith in second-rate copies of inferior Russian planes, planes we beat anytime we meet!

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Then leave US aircrafts in international space alone. Contrary to popular belief, it does not need to involve firearms to cause an international incident.

how would US feel if Chinese reccon aircrafts were flying in Pacific waters --3 to 4 hundred nautical miles off the coast of Alaska or Hawaii

US wont sit idly twiddling its thumbs either!

 

[TOPGUN]

When one gets shot down they will understand lolz.

 

[gambit]

how would US feel if Chinese reccon aircrafts were flying in Pacific waters --3 to 4 hundred nautical miles off the coast of Alaska or Hawaii

US wont sit idly twiddling its thumbs either!

Aaahhh...There were Soviets aircrafts that did just that. So if the Chinese want to do the same, we would welcome them.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Aaahhh...There were Soviets aircrafts that did just that. So if the Chinese want to do the same, we would welcome them.

i know, that's why i was bringing it up....you dont WANT them to do that though, do you?

do you WANT both countries on a confrontation course?

 

[gambit]

i know, that's why i was bringing it up....you dont WANT them to do that though, do you?

do you WANT both countries on a confrontation course?

Me, personally? Yes, I do. Am not speaking from a 'warmongering' attitude but from a personal conviction borne from personal experience that dictatorships must be confronted.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

would you forgive me for asking you whether it has anything to do with your Vietnamese anti-communist background?

you dont have any scores to settle, do you? I'm very curious, i'm not trying to be a wiseass here.

 

[Oldman1]

how would US feel if Chinese reccon aircrafts were flying in Pacific waters --3 to 4 hundred nautical miles off the coast of Alaska or Hawaii

US wont sit idly twiddling its thumbs either!

The Soviets and the U.S. has done it many times when near each others territories. China should not complain about it. When China has their own long range recon planes then the U.S. will welcome them.

F-22A Raptor escorts a Russian TU-95 Bear (Nov. 22 2007) :: Air-Attack.com

 

[gambit]

would you forgive me for asking you whether it has anything to do with your Vietnamese anti-communist background?

you dont have any scores to settle, do you? I'm very curious, i'm not trying to be a wiseass here.

Am not 'offended' at all. You have a legitimate question. And yes, it does have much to do with my background, not just with the Chinese dictatorship, but against any dictatorship that has global aspirations. Dictators want to oppress and make themselves gods? Do it and keep it within their borders. Once they want to challenge others, I have no problem advocating a strong and aggressive response. Either alone or preferably with an alliance.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Am not 'offended' at all. You have a legitimate question. And yes, it does have much to do with my background, not just with the Chinese dictatorship, but against any dictatorship that has global aspirations. Dictators want to oppress and make themselves gods? Do it and keep it within their borders. Once they want to challenge others, I have no problem advocating a strong and aggressive response. Either alone or preferably with an alliance.

well doesnt this constitute jingoistic language disguised by 'concerns of democracy'

can you really afford such a confrontation course at such a criticial juncture?


You know, there are colleagues of mine in my MBA program --- one a dear friend of mine in the DoD (security-clearance type stuff, even i dont know what exactly the nature of his work is)

if they dont raise the debt ceiling, he wont even be receiving his monthly salary while on the job. With defence cuts, with the assumed goal to keep the deficit from spiralling out of control -- you are talking about confronting a country that is your primary debt purchaser....

where is the sanity here?

 

[gambit]

well doesnt this constitute jingoistic language disguised by 'concerns of democracy'

All exhortations in defense of one's beliefs involves some measure of such language even though I do not engage in such myself. My preference is more reasonable comparison based arguments.

can you really afford such a confrontation course at such a criticial juncture?


You know, there are colleagues of mine in my MBA program --- one a dear friend of mine in the DoD (security-clearance type stuff, even i dont know what exactly the nature of his work is)

if they dont raise the debt ceiling, he wont even be receiving his monthly salary while on the job. With defence cuts, with the assumed goal to keep the deficit from spiralling out of control -- you are talking about confronting a country that is your primary debt purchaser....

where is the sanity here?

Yes, we can. If what the naysayers say is true, now is the best time to attack US. The country is totally defenseless. No money for jet fuel or missiles?

 

[deckingraj]

this is a very dangerous path.....what right do they have sending spy aircrafts in those non-hostile territories.


this is bound to lead to a confrontation; it creates a very bad precedent. The US would be well-advised to scale back and end this activity, in my opinion. Especially at a time when the U.S. needs to tighten its belt and cut back on government spending.

besides, the US & China have a very symbiotic relationship. . . neither will benefit from outwardly hostile relations

Keeping China-pak and India-Pak dynamics out...Is this really an issue??? Ain't i free to do things in international air-space??? Do i need special rights for it???

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

All exhortations in defense of one's beliefs involves some measure of such language even though I do not engage in such myself. My preference is more reasonable comparison based arguments.

so you want to engage China militarily, on 'humanitarian' grounds?

Common, Mr. Gambit!!!!

Yes, we can. If what the naysayers say is true, now is the best time to attack US. The country is totally defenseless. No money for jet fuel or missiles?

this is not what I was implying...I am merely saying that this is neither the time nor *place* for a confrontation --especially with China.

it will only exacerbate your domestic issues; and besides, are wary AMERICAN tax-payers ready --do they have a heart for another battle front? Do you know what the broader implications are?

 

[gpit]

well doesnt this constitute jingoistic language disguised by 'concerns of democracy'

...

Nay!

It is just a personal hatred that he has nurtured in darkness for decades, having nothing to do with jingoism.

Poor fanatic! Just like Bin Laden…

 

[Jango]

China can shoot down US aircraft whenever it wants to. PLAAF completely dominates the air. In 2010 USAF tried to challenge China in the Yellow Sea but their F-22s were locked on by PLAAF fighters. One F/A-18 was damaged by electronic warfare attack and had a very hard landing on the aircraft carrier. Apparently the B-2 that crashed on Guam a couple of years back was also damaged by Chinese electronic warfare attack.

In a shooting war, USAF would be knocked out very swiftly. USAF already considers F-22 a failed project. Now F-35 is going to be cut back too. J-10's and J-20's will be ruling the air for decades to come.

friendship with the chinese and everyuthing aside, but man oh man, what the F was this??,,,,US does not consider F-22 a failed project and the reported capabilities if true are really scaring.