US Sources confirm 2 Indian planes shot down

[Rafi]

WASHINGTON: The downing of two Indian Air Force (IAF) fighter jets this week persuaded the United States to re-engage Pakistan for ending a dangerous confrontation between South Asia’s two nuclear-armed states, said a former White House official.

After the Pakistani military shot down two Indian Air Force planes and captured an Indian pilot, the United States walked back its rhetoric of self-defence,” said Shamila N. Chaudhary, who was director for Afghanistan and Pakistan at the White House National Security Council under President Barack Obama.

In a piece she wrote for a congressional newspaper, The Hill, she noted that after Pakistan brought down the IAF planes US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo urged both countries “to exercise restraint, and avoid escalation at any cost”.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1467092/downing-of-iaf-jets-encouraged-us-mediation

Connected to the US establishment and privy to security clearance at the highest levels is confirming that at least 2 Indian fighter planes have been shot down.

No mention of F16 also, backing up PAF claim.

 

[CriticalThought]

It is still indirect evidence. The thing is, we don't need 'proof' from any foreign entity. Let's wait for PAF to reveal the full story. I am pointedly not commenting until I hear the full official version from PAF.

 

[Maxpane]

Su 30 MKI

 

[Avicenna]

If an F-16 was downed, you can be damned sure the US will know.

Its a bit complicated because the US is backing India in a way and is also hopeful for an F-21 sale as well.

So difficult to say what the US would even do if they knew an F-16 was down.

 

[Rafi]

It is still indirect evidence. The thing is, we don't need 'proof' from any foreign entity. Let's wait for PAF to reveal the full story. I am pointedly not commenting until I hear the full official version from PAF.

I know Shamila, she was on the US National Security Council, and has the highest security clearance, ie receives access to top secret classified intelligence.

 

[alee92nawaz]

It is still indirect evidence. The thing is, we don't need 'proof' from any foreign entity. Let's wait for PAF to reveal the full story. I am pointedly not commenting until I hear the full official version from PAF.

As much as us fan boys wanna believe، we should wait.

 

[Metanoia]

I have been following the Pakistani official sources, Pakistani media sources, international media sources, as well as the indian media and official sources...and I can easily conclude, that praise be to Lord, Pakistan has given the indian establishment a big, bloody, broken, and mangled nose. Both militarily and diplomatically.

PS: This is my first post on this conflict, I did not reach any conclusions in the first few days because I really wanted to wait and see what's what.

 

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Downing of IAF jets encouraged US mediation
The Newspaper's CorrespondentUpdated March 02, 2019
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Pakistani soldiers stand next to the wreckage of an Indian fighter jet shot down in Azad Jammu and Kashmir at Somani area in Bhimbar district near the Line of Control on February 27, 2019. — AFP



WASHINGTON: The downing of two Indian Air Force (IAF) fighter jets this week persuaded the United States to re-engage Pakistan for ending a dangerous confrontation between South Asia’s two nuclear-armed states, said a former White House official.

“After the Pakistani military shot down two Indian Air Force planes and captured an Indian pilot, the United States walked back its rhetoric of self-defence,” said Shamila N. Chaudhary, who was director for Afghanistan and Pakistan at the White House National Security Council under President Barack Obama.

She was referring to a recent statement by US National Security Adviser John Bolton who said after the Feb 14 suicide attack in Pulwama that the United States “support(s) India’s right to self-defence”.

In a piece she wrote for a congressional newspaper, The Hill, she noted that after Pakistan brought down the IAF planes US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo urged both countries “to exercise restraint, and avoid escalation at any cost”.

Later, several US lawmakers backed Mr Pompeo’s appeal to India and Pakistan to defuse the situation. “Pakistan’s repatriation of Wing Commander Abhinandan to India is a good first step toward enabling meaningful dialogue to resolve this conflict,” said Congressman Eliot L. Engel, chairman of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs.

Senator Bob Menendez, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, called upon the Trump administration to play an active role to “promote peace and stability in South Asia” following the flare-up in tensions between India and Pakistan.

He reminded the present administration that “past Republican and Democratic administrations have played constructive roles at the highest levels to promote peace and stability in South Asia”.

Congressman Engel said that to avoid the kind of miscalculation Prime Minister Imran Khan “rightly fears, Pakistani leaders must take demonstrable action against Jaish-e-Mohammad....”

Underlining the threat of further escalation, Senator Menendez said: “I urge Islamabad and New Delhi to immediately engage in dialogue to de-escalate the tensions.”

On Thursday, Secretary Pompeo told journalists that he “spent a good deal of time” talking to Pakistani and Indian leaders, “encouraging each country to not take any action that would escalate and create increased risk”.

Various US media outlets reported on Friday that Washington was maintaining regular contacts with both Islamabad and New Delhi and the US military was backing these peace efforts. However, Alyssa Ayres, a former US deputy assistant secretary of state for South Asia, told the National Public Radio that the United States did not have the same influence that it did during the Kargil crisis, when Pakistan was still a close ally.

“I don’t think the United States has the type of clout it might’ve had 35 years ago. But you have seen a consensus among the powers around the world all echoing each other to create that kind of echo chamber about the kind of actions Pakistan should take,” she said.

Cameron Munter, a former US ambassador to Pakistan, told CNBC that India and Pakistan needed to work on two crucial problems: large military deployments in India-held Kashmir and the presence of militant groups in Pakistan.

Published in Dawn, March 2nd, 2019

 

[CriticalThought]

I know Shamila, she was on the US National Security Council, and has the highest security clearance, ie receives access to top secret classified intelligence.

Except if you personally verify that she received top secret intelligence on this specific case, we still need to take it with a grain of salt. I want Pakistan to be self-confident. Enough 'feel good' because foreigners agree with us. We feel good because we believe in Allah and agree with our forces.

 

[ProudPak]

WASHINGTON: The downing of two Indian Air Force (IAF) fighter jets this week persuaded the United States to re-engage Pakistan for ending a dangerous confrontation between South Asia’s two nuclear-armed states, said a former White House official.

After the Pakistani military shot down two Indian Air Force planes and captured an Indian pilot, the United States walked back its rhetoric of self-defence,” said Shamila N. Chaudhary, who was director for Afghanistan and Pakistan at the White House National Security Council under President Barack Obama.

In a piece she wrote for a congressional newspaper, The Hill, she noted that after Pakistan brought down the IAF planes US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo urged both countries “to exercise restraint, and avoid escalation at any cost”.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1467092/downing-of-iaf-jets-encouraged-us-mediation

Connected to the US establishment and privy to security clearance at the highest levels is confirming that at least 2 Indian fighter planes have been shot down.

No mention of F16 also, backing up PAF claim.

Their lapdog got bitch slapped and they knew more was coming

 

[Tejas Spokesman]

Meh.

Also Lol.

 

[valkyr_96]

Despite our issues their will always be some snickering and coughs.

 

[Rafi]

Meh.

I know her, she must have been reprimanded for putting classified info in her piece, but she knows and has confirmed PAF strikes.

 

[ProudPak]

I know her, she must have been reprimanded for putting classified info in her piece, but she knows and has confirmed PAF strikes.

Bad luck mate....she is fugly

 

[Metanoia]

I want Pakistan to be self-confident. Enough 'feel good' because foreigners agree with us. We feel good because we believe in Allah and agree with our forces.

Absolutely agree that we should feel good that Allah (swt) supports us. However, the "court of international opinion" on this matter can not be ignored brother. Pakistan's past military achievements or narrative has been lost due to utter defeat on diplomatic front. Thank God this new government is faring far better than the previous jahils.