US says Ukraine ceasefire would cement Russian 'conquest', A ceasefire in Ukraine would only serve to "ratify" Russia's territorial gains

[Iñigo]

(...) Biden doesn't care or even want the ukrainians to win either and is instead obsessed with somehow triggering regime change in Russia. If Russia is re-yeltsinified, Biden expects China and Iran to follow suit. Then he imagines that all the countries would sign global treaties effectively disarming their militaries and replacing them with a globalist world defense force. Biden is a true ideologue; he really wants to establish a Star Trek-style world government. Both Non-Western nations and American populists and Western populists fiercely opposes these notions.

Yes,

You have expressed very well what we could call the techno-neoliberal fantasy, which is the last layer of the Death Star Software of this 'Star Wars'.

This last layer of imperial Software has joined the old layer: the fusion of Roman imperial ideology and bloody Aramaic fantasies.

So this latest version (1945-, 1967-, 1991-, 2000-) of the Roman Empire or Anglo-empire 2.0 could perhaps be called Techno-NeoLiberal-Biblical-Roman Empire. LOL

The small problem is that after this semantic or verbal witticism, our laughter freezes in the face of so much horror.

 

[etylo]

Using your logic. China should invade South Korea and Japan beacuse they have US military bases right? Lol Ukraine is a soveriegn country they have the right to decide who they want to be allied with. The only difference is that Russia thinks Ukraine is its puppet and should always be under Russian control with a Russian approved/appointed Leader like in the past.

The logic some of you guys use here to defend Russia's aggression is baffling. You dont even use that for your own country, yet use it to defend Russia..seems you love Russia more than China or something ? Lol

To be fair the only reason Russia had the courage to invade Ukraine since after Ukraines revolution and kicking out the Russian puppet/stooge, Ukrainians showed they don't want to be associated with Russia anymore( the war has only solidified this feeling, all the remaining pro Russian elements in Ukaine have all turned anti Russian or left for Russia) is that Ukraine was considered a weak country and easy to.invade/conquered without much repercussions for Russia. That's the main reason Putin was motivated to invade. If Ukraine was as developed/advanced and industrial power then Russia defintely wouldnt have had the will to invade them. In short, big powers will prey on weak ones.

First, its never in Chinese opinion that SK and Japan on their lands are threats to China, second, China doesnt have a history invading other countries as aggression, so you point in invalid. Yes, if US invades NK, China will go to war with hostile US again as in the Korean war in 1950 becos China feels existential threat from such invasion. Its the similar case with Russia, they feel seriously threatened at the heartland by Ukraine allying militarily with NATO that will put its troops in Ukraine. Ukraine is a middle power without nukes and Russia is a military superpower, Ukraine is not respecting Russia as such. Every country has to live with its real constraints, not just empty rights. Also, Ukraine also angered Russia by cleansing enthnic Russians in Ukraine as the Nazis that you Europeans like to ignore. So, Ukraine sort of asked to go to war with Russia, but sure it is an invasion.

Just as a case, the US wouldnt even allow Cuba to deploy Soviet missiles on its soil that is far away from US. Isnt Cuba a sovereign country and as such has the right to do so ? What give US the right to start world war with Cuba and Soviet to stop the deployment. Lol.

 

[Meengla]

First, its never in Chinese opinion that SK and Japan on their lands are threats to China, second, China dont have a history invading other countries as aggression, so you point in invalid. Yes, if US invades NK, China will go to war with hostile US again as in the Korean war in 1950 becos China feels existential threat from such invasion. Its the similar case with Russia, they feel seriously threatened at the heartland by Ukraine allaying militarily with NATO that will put its troops in Ukraine. Ukraine is a middle power without nukes and Russia is a military superpower, Ukraine is not respecting Russia as such. Every country has to live with its real constraints, not just empty rights. Also, Ukraine also angered Russia by cleansing enthnic Russians in Ukraine as the Nazis that you Europeans like to ignore. So, Ukraine sort of asked to go to war with Russia, but sure it is an invasion.

Just as a case, the US wouldnt even allow Cuba to deploy Soviet missiles on its soil that is far away from US. Isnt Cuba a sovereign country and as such has the right to do so ? What give US the right to start world war with Cuba and Soviet to stop the deployment.

Correct!! And very good insight about how China perceives SK/Japan vs NK. Also, yes, 'real constraints' and reality of a country's neighborhood. And of course you are so correct about the Cuban Missile Crisis!
In case of the on-going Ukraine-Russia war, I think after Putin's demise, Russia would have almost certainly gone to another Yeltsin like leader and Russia, at least the European part of Russia, would have become an integral part of Europe, where it belongs. But some warmongers sitting in Washington wanted to make money now and hence this war! Russia was provoked for decades and the events since 2014 was the last straw.

Having said all that, I still think Russia is going to take such losses from this war then in the long run Russia will continue to suffer and may never recover.

 

[Iñigo]

Gambit - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Ukrainian Gambit (sacrificing Ukrainian pawns) means two things:

(A) destabilize Russia, economic sanctions and economic isolation, ruble collapse, regime change in Moscow, return to the 'good old days' of Yeltsin, great natural resources, and the icing on this bloody and irresistible cake: cornering China

(B) break relations between Germany and Russia and dominate Europe, consolidate the club of European vassals, objective achieved, exceeding expectations

 

[925boy]

Russian will drag this war few years....purposely and will benefit not only Russian economy but also US economy.

how will it help US economy when US economy is in serious trouble today? this isnt some kind of virtual simulation SIMs game .

 

[HAIDER]

how will it help US economy when US economy is in serious trouble today? this isnt some kind of virtual simulation SIMs game .

Pressure build on EU , more hardware sale.

 

[MajesticPug]

russia could have just, you know, not invaded, just because US/NATO were saying hurtful sayings.

US used tactics that kept instigating the problem. China is the next victim of American war-starting instigation. I don't see how China can avoid using force in resolving the Taiwan issue.

They didn't lol it's literally Russia


Who's saying? I'm literally half Ukrainian.

Said the country that 'preemptively' attacked, burned, took, and occupied any country that deemed 'just a threat' to Israel. LOL.. Putin just borrowed a SOP page from Israel, UK, and US.

 

[Iñigo]

"Russia could have just, you know, not invaded"

Fine, but we are neither in Disneyland nor in Josep Borrell's garden; we are in the real world.

-(Kamikaze Regime in Kiev): NATO or Death

...

-(London and Washington): We have installed MK41 launch systems in Poland and Romania; but the Kamikaze Regime we have put in place in Kiev will not allow us to install launch systems in Ukraine

(And it should be remembered that NATO pawns have been killing Ukrainians of Russian origin since the beginning of this war in 2014.)

-(London and Washington): Our pawns have killed a few thousand Ukrainians of Russian origin, we don't know why the Russians can't endure a joke.

(This empire, the Anglo-Empire 2.0, is a bloody comedy.)

 

[Iñigo]

...

"I think the real losers in this war are the Ukrainians. And I think what has happened here is that we have guided the Ukrainians down the path of Primrose. We pushed very hard to encourage the Ukrainians to become part of NATO. We pushed very hard to make them part of NATO.

We pushed very hard to make them a Western bastion on Russia's borders, even though the Russians made it clear that this was unacceptable to them. We, as a result, and here I am talking about the West, took a stick and poked the bear in the eye. And as you all know, if you take a stick and poke a bear in the eye, the bear probably won't smile and laugh at what you're doing. The bear will fight back. And that's exactly what happens. And this bear is going to tear Ukraine apart. This bear is in the process of tearing Ukraine apart."

Prof. John Mearsheimer

 

[ThunderCat]

Com’on let him speak. I like when people are being honest.

There's no justification to include insults or name-calling.

 

[Genghis khan1]

There's no justification to include insults or name-calling.

Shows his character.

 

[PakFactor]

Ukraine is a soveriegn country they have the right to decide who they want to be allied with.

I wholeheartedly agree, but one should also be ready to bear the consequences of its actions well.

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"I think the real losers in this war are the Ukrainians. And I think what has happened here is that we have guided the Ukrainians down the path of Primrose. We pushed very hard to encourage the Ukrainians to become part of NATO. We pushed very hard to make them part of NATO.

We pushed very hard to make them a Western bastion on Russia's borders, even though the Russians made it clear that this was unacceptable to them. We, as a result, and here I am talking about the West, took a stick and poked the bear in the eye. And as you all know, if you take a stick and poke a bear in the eye, the bear probably won't smile and laugh at what you're doing. The bear will fight back. And that's exactly what happens. And this bear is going to tear Ukraine apart. This bear is in the process of tearing Ukraine apart."

Prof. John Mearsheimer

Well, put.

 

[Abid123]

You'll see dude, I know you are a very low IQ monkey as well, you'll just see how we humiliate you guys. You will all be left speechless.

Keep talking Israeli whore. The day your whore country even dares to fight Pakistan it would a true armagedon and holocaust for your kind. This time we will make sure there is not even a single one of you left.

Your whore Israel is truly lucky that Pakistanis are extremely pacifist natured/cool minded to begin with. Had we been hotblooded/hot headed like the arabs/persians it would be a different story.

 

[617ah]

Using your logic. China should invade South Korea and Japan beacuse they have US military bases right? Lol Ukraine is a soveriegn country they have the right to decide who they want to be allied with. The only difference is that Russia thinks Ukraine is its puppet and should always be under Russian control with a Russian approved/appointed Leader like in the past.

The logic some of you guys use here to defend Russia's aggression is baffling. You dont even use that for your own country, yet use it to defend Russia..seems you love Russia more than China or something ? Lol

To be fair the only reason Russia had the courage to invade Ukraine since after Ukraines revolution and kicking out the Russian puppet/stooge, Ukrainians showed they don't want to be associated with Russia anymore( the war has only solidified this feeling, all the remaining pro Russian elements in Ukaine have all turned anti Russian or left for Russia) is that Ukraine was considered a weak country and easy to.invade/conquered without much repercussions for Russia. That's the main reason Putin was motivated to invade. If Ukraine was as developed/advanced and industrial power then Russia defintely wouldnt have had the will to invade them. In short, big powers will prey on weak ones.

Three Reasons China don't Invade Korea and Japan:
1. The Chinese do not like war. When we feel threatened, we tend to negotiate to solve the problem. Or build a wall to protect ourselves instead of destroying each other.
2. What China needs most now is economic development, and war will hinder economic development. And Russia has no other choice.
3. If China attacks South Korea and Japan, the United States will inevitably send troops. And the United States will never send troops to Ukraine.
Do sovereign states have the right to do what they want?Can you install a telescope in your yard to observe your neighbors? Are people really equal? Will justice really triumph over evil?
Welcome to the world of adults,kid.