US responsible for the Murder of Pakistani Troops - Pak Rejects NATO Probe

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

those pilots were simply the tools.. I fault those maniacs who actually ordered that. just like the killing of Tribesmen in the open peace gathering after RD reached USA.

nothing has "Changed" the lunatic warmongers call the shots regading US foreign policy. which is mainly harrasment and invasions.

If you view the video posted by Xeric and listen to the conversation, the pilots/troops on the ground fit the description applied to the leadership.

 

[Peregrine]

From what i have heard.....this attack was deliberate and well calculated by the American's..... But their basic purpose was to neutralize these posts, which according to Americans were used to aid insurgents into Afghanistan and against American interests, Pakistani's on the other hand, had reasons of their own.......was sorta like tit for tat response to Americans for supporting nefarious activities against Pakistani establishment.

 

[lem34]

I think I get the impression that most on the forum believe it was a deliberate attack with the evidence we have seen. Clearly as it went on for nearly two hours and continued after PA told Americans it was pakistanis soldiers they were attacking for this to go on for so long and for 2 separate posts to be attacked could anyone with military background tell us up to what level would this hav to be . Was this a command decesion that goes all the way to obama. After all if it was just a soldier redneck etc soon as the american officers were informed that it was pakistani troops they should have stopped. Soo clearly america officers were involved. how high guys??

 

[VCheng]

Where was the actual and imminent threat to US forces from the individuals massacred in cold blood in that video?

As I said, trigger-happy, war-mongering red-necks.

Just run over similar dialogues as you can see in the vid.. to their reactions when shooting our boys up.
The misuse and abuse of firepower is an understatement when it comes to the US.

Those are fair criticisms for sure.

But, now Pakistan has to respond; that is the real important question for all.

 

[longbrained]

Lets have a think - firstly i think Santro was being sarcastic about them wasting their $$.
Secondly you are spot on - they knew EXACTLY what they were doing and it doesnt need a genius to tell us that if it had been an accident for godsake why the heck did the pummeling continue for 2 hours. 2 hours of bombing is an eternity. Are they that daft to not see blue on lbue for 2 hours? No - they knew exactly their intention was and they achieved it. Whether it was the hierachy ordering the killings or individual US gun fans - we probably will never know as by now not even the US will remember the true version of events. Time has the power to fade memories - and thats exactly what they want to achieve. Please please keep the borders closed and stop the assistance in any way.

I know he was sarcastic about it and that is why I had thanked his post. I guess he could not get my anger though as emotions are raw here. I was angry that Americans think we are some stupid people who do not know anything and they can make up a story and shove it down our throats. It was an intentional attack. Though the reason for which we do not know. This is the point here.

 

[W.11]

Those are fair criticisms for sure.

But, now Pakistan has to respond; that is the real important question for all.

please apologise us, now dont just let us wait for another response

 

[Xeric]

Accountability in my books = Someone should go to jail, for a long time...

Not for errors, but for deliberate attacks. Since clearly after the first error they were notified.

Scapegoating through punishing the local commander is the least these yanks could do, but then that's not acceptable to us.

The easiest thing that can be done in a situation like this is to put the blame of the entire episode/confusion/mistake on the local commander;

Also to make the story flowery, say that he was acting at his own without the approval of the higher command

Then to nail the situation, also make the 'culprit' accept his 'mistake'

Or sari kahani ko Loha karnay kliye, tell the dude to come on CNN and 'apologize' to the Pakistani Nation and the families of the deceased, and shed a few tears, i mean to make it more real.


Aahh..the oldest tactics of govts to save their azzes after they have been caught with their hand inside the cookie jar.

 

[VelocuR]

Those are fair criticisms for sure.

But, now Pakistan has to respond; that is the real important question for all.

#173

BTW, how many times does Pakistan have to 'respond officially'?

Pakistan's version of events has been provided in the US by military and diplomatic officials, at a briefing to parliament, Ambassadors and the media by the DGMO and the DG ISI.

How many 'official responses' do you want?

Repeating same questions.....

 

[SQ8]

I know he was sarcastic about it and that is why I had thanked his post. I guess he could not get my anger though as emotions are raw here. I was angry that Americans think we are some stupid people who do not know anything and they can make up a story and shove it down our throats. It was an intentional attack. Though the reason for which we do not know. This is the point here.

I dont see an "intentional" intentional attack.. What I see is US troops fired upon by ours as warning...some of it gets too close for comfort and they decide to teach us a lesson. The whole miscommunication thing may be a canard at the side, but this read like a case of "Ill teach you to shoot at me"..

Btw.. I think that there is also an Afghan Badmash element we are missing here.

 

[longbrained]

read my post again regarding the F-15's.

I already know they were F-15E. But F15E is not used to fight troglodytes, rather for this job they use their Apache and A-10's. If they want massive fire power they use AC-130. F-15E are only and ONLY used to strike high value assets and they fire heavy precision ammunitions, for example banker buster, anti radiation kind of weapons. These are not really useful against troglodytes as cave dweller do not have air defense radars, under ground ammunition steel concrete bunkers, air base runways or such stuff against which F-15E is used. And again the PRIMARY mission of F-15E is air superiority. The strike capability was later on latched on it a an additional feature but still it is a superiority fighter. They had been there to deter Pakistan Air Force.

 

[Sugarcane]

Guys now keep eye on our leaders govt. and military, don't let them defuse this pressure by mamooo gate, military coupe speculation type things. Pakistani nation should not let them to go back on business as usual.

You will see load shadings and other problem rising suddenly to divert public's interest.

 

[Doctor09]

VCheng few days back i told you about what will be in the upcoming report and you said that you will say anything after NATO's report . now here is the report and kindly compare it with previous claims of US and NATO . does not it look like a mixture and full of flaws and lies and its a vague report and still many questions are not answered in this

 

[VCheng]

I dont see an "intentional" intentional attack.. What I see is US troops fired upon by ours as warning...some of it gets too close for comfort and they decide to teach us a lesson. The whole miscommunication thing may be a canard at the side, but this read like a case of "Ill teach you to shoot at me"..

Btw.. I think that there is also an Afghan Badmash element we are missing here.

Who fired first?

 

[lem34]

I know he was sarcastic about it and that is why I had thanked his post. I guess he could not get my anger though as emotions are raw here. I was angry that Americans think we are some stupid people who do not know anything and they can make up a story and shove it down our throats. It was an intentional attack. Though the reason for which we do not know. This is the point here.

It can only be seen in my opinion in the context of wider geo political american interests of containing china making india stronger etc. But depends how high the authorisation came from. Was it or is it and I do think this is possible rogue elements in the pentagon and or cia or is it american president govt policy???

 

[W.11]

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