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US requests NATO supply route from Iran.

Your criticism stands out against Pakistan and pro-Iran.

Let me know if this is not what you were trying to say
Again, what I am trying to say is that our policies considering NATO supplies as a tool of blackmail rather than rebuilding relationships with world in the name of cooperation for Peace and Stability would certainly backfire at a point.
 
1-NATO supplies from Iran would cost 20% cheaper than Pakistan
2-If all goes well, US exit would likely to be routed through Iran than Pakistan.
3-Iran has agreed to provide necessary security for the supplies.
4-Northern Alliance leaders brokering the deal between US and Iran.
5-Once a formal agreement is reached, drone attacks likely to accelerate in Pakistan.
Also, if the logistics plan through Iran fructifies, then
1. No more freebies to Pakistan from the US.
2. America will put further pressure on Pak regarding its nukes.
3. Press Pakistan to stop active support to the Afghan Taliban or face sanctions.
4. Pressurize the Pakistan Establishment to stop all terror training, dismantle all their camps and stop using terrorists as 'strategic assets'.
 
Bad news for Pakistan. It is loosing its So called strategic Importance in new order being created in Asia.
 
Dont compare Iran with Pakistan. Iran, India, etc have been part of NAM. Some reason right. Iran dont have a history of being slaves and cheerleaders like Pakistan and so do India.

Hence, country like USA cannot dent a hair of countries like India, Brazil, Iran. Pakistan is a different case. Not logical to keep Pakistan in same bracket as that of NAM countries.

ya ya i forgot you are the only warriors on earth :D
now go somewhere else and cry kiddo:sarcastic:
 
The port was initially started in 1990 by India but rarely ever used so if it was so pivotal for Indian trade into Central Asia/Afghanistan why was it largely abandoned until now?

The answer seems to be India's misbegotten hopes that Chabahar could be used as a military naval dock in response to Gwadar ports construction though the main reason is simply because Pakistan refuses to grant transit rights to India which is why your country keeps pushing for privileges like MFN status.

Chabahar was never meant to compete commercially with Gwadar or Karachi ports which explains why Iran has spent more time, effort and money on the IP pipeline, even willing to invest more in the Pakistani portion of the pipeline, in comparison to this port.

The port is an uneconomical route to begin with in comparison to transit through Pakistan which was made even more apparent when it was realized that a $15 billion investment was required to build rail links to connect the Hajigak mine India leased in Afghanistan (for $10 billion) to Iran hence why India hasn't started mining anything and has now requested their lease agreement be renegotiated. Even if it those rail links were built the longer distance and increased duties, tariffs, taxes, labor and fuel costs that would need to be paid would most likely make Indian goods uneconomical in comparison to Chinese or Pakistani manufactured products unless they're heavily subsidized (which isn't economical in the long term since it's equivalent to the Indian government donating their tax revenues to Afghanistan at the cost of their own people).

To give you an example New Delhi to Kabul through Pakistan is 1278 km by road while through the Iran route the distance is 4591 km (about 951 km of which is traversed by sea assuming the Okha port in Gujrat is used). It isn't much better when you're talking about Central Asia where going from New Delhi to Tashkent via Pakistan is 2475 km versus the Iranian route which is 5177 km. However, new proposed road links like the one between Pakistan and Tajikstan via the Khunjerab pass through Afghanistan shorten the route even further.

No major Central Asian city other than Ashgabat, Turkmenistan is located closer to an Iranian port. To give a few examples:

Smarkland to Karachi Port = 2226 km
Smarkland to Gwadar Port = 2481 km
Smarkland to Chabahar Port = 2517 km

Dushanbe to Karachi Port = 1962 km
Dushanbe to Gwadar Port = 2187 km
Dushanbe to Chabahar Port = 2658 km

Tashkent to Karachi Port = 2520 km
Tashkent to Gwadar Port = 2745 km
Tashkent to Chabahar Port = 2882 km

A difference of 300 to 600 kilometers is large as it is but when you have hundreds if not thousands of trucks/trains needing to travel that extra distance on a daily basis the additional expenses you need to pay to cover labor, fuel, maintenance and in some cases additional tariffs and duties adds up making the Iranian route nowhere as economical as going through Pakistan.

Pakistan will always be the preferred destination which is why the upgrade India wanted to invest was only $100 million and simply because they had no choice.

Gwadar port on the other hand was initially constructed for $250 million with phase II upgrades of almost $1 billion and additional upgrades and projects (ex. $18 billion Pakistan-China economic corridor) being announced because even though it's primary purpose was to serve the growing Pakistani and Chinese economies it is expected to receive a lot of traffic from Central Asia and Afghanistan as it will be made accessible to all of them. For the Afghan economy in particular every extra kilometer a business needs to travel to ship or import goods counts and, like any business, wherever they can cut overhead costs they'll go that route.



Did you even bother to look at a map before making this statement?

China leased the Mes Anyak mine in Afghanistan which is located very close to the Torkham border crossing from where they can ship the minerals directly back into China via the KKH (one of the reasons they're pushing forward the Pakistan-China economic corridor which includes the expansion of the KKH) or they can build commercial projects in the economic free zone created for them in Pakistan and wouldn't pay any taxes to the Pakistani government. If necessary China could even travel north via Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan and ships the minerals back home or goods into Afghanistan that route.

Why would they go the much longer and far more expensive sea route to Chabahar and then into Afghanistan when they have cheaper road/rail links via Central Asia or Pakistan?





I don't understand why you guys are opposed to Imran Khan at least in relation to this matter.

His views are that NATO transit out of Afghanistan should be allowed and protected to encourage a quick withdrawal. What IK is opposed to is allowing NATO transit into Afghanistan via Pakistan.

NATO transit has been of no benefit to Pakistan. Virtually all of our security problems can be said to stem from allowing transit of NATO supplies through the country. In a war supply lines are routinely targeted and coupling that with the average Pakistani's sentiments what made anyone think that Pakistani territory wouldn't be attacked? This has resulted in substantial infrastructure damage and loss of life in our own country which the government itself admits has cost the nation more than US $80 billion and all for $24 billion in "AID" (really transit fees) and about $2.5 billion in fees paid to drivers to transport their materials over the 12 years of fighting. All the while 200,000 weapons are now unaccounted for and it's been stated that millions of dollars were probably paid to groups like the TTP to securely transit supplies through Afghanistan.

Many seem to be totally disconnected from what's going on. They don't think of their fellow countrymen as their own blood nor Pakistan as their motherland instead it's just dirt, rocks and trees or people living in another province. Thus, as long as it's not their mom, dad, bro, sis, wife, kids, etc... or their house being bombed they don't seem to care. They're more concerned about making another dollar rather than preserving our honor and pride which is akin to how prostitutes think.

When Pakistan as a nation and Z. A. Bhutto as a leader were threatened, the latter with death, if we continued to pursue nuclear technology to defend our motherland or Zulfiqar had to endure listening to Indian bullshit at the UN concerning our ancestral land of Kashmir he never backed down and as a nation we made it clear Pakistan was going to push forward with it's own agenda for the honor, defence and freedom of our peoples their lands and religion no matter what monetary incentives were offered or whatever threats were made. We have survived 3 major wars against a much larger adversary, sanctions after sanctions, etc... and we'll continue to survive and thrive.

Drone strikes could very likely be a better option in comparison to full scale military assaults which create large humanitarian crises. However, these strikes need to be conducted by the Pakistani military or not at all.

As IK's protest banner stated "Our Land... Our Way".

We can no longer tolerate this bullshit and if the military deems the strikes a necessity either build an armed drone force or buy some (ex. Wing Loong from China) and use them responsibly. However, we're not here to defend the Afghan government nor should we ever allow anyone to attack our lands and peoples.

Imported oil and minerals does not need to travel to New Delhi, there are enough refineries and steel mills in the west coast itself for e.g. Reliance's giant refinery in Gujarat.
 
ya ya i forgot you are the only warriors on earth :D
now go somewhere else and cry kiddo:sarcastic:
Woooww. What an awesome reply. So logical. The matter of fact put briefly is whether we are warriors or not but we definitely are not whores for America nor are we beggars to ask for alms like our great nation Pakistan. And i feel happy to cry in front of you coz I know I wud never cry in front of Superpowers. :)
 
what ever will be the out come... america's future is dark .. say good bye to the so called super power... policies of trueman brought destruction to them.
 
It will be a blessing in disguise for Pakistan...
Iran won't do that and if It did Afghanistan will become hell for them and a whole war will turn into Shia sunni clash. All Saudi Jihadis and arabs will declared jihad in Afghanistan, Afghanistan will see a bloody blood shed it will become a new theatre for Arab Iran war. If US thinking like that then its a good policy for them but Iran I don't consider it right.
Iran is not Pakistan and will not allow US or NATO.
Pakistan is the only ally of US who can afford to play game like that.
 
here is how I see it, US is requesting transit routes form Iran and so will Afghanistan so no more afghanistan transit trade from Pakistan anymore. how does it effect a country who is making efforts to get transit trade from central Asian states. but the bigger question is if this will stop drones now that you dont even have that leverage anymore. Imran is not a good politician.
 
here is how I see it, US is requesting transit routes form Iran and so will Afghanistan so no more afghanistan transit trade from Pakistan anymore. how does it effect a country who is making efforts to get transit trade from central Asian states. but the bigger question is if this will stop drones now that you dont even have that leverage anymore. Imran is not a good politician.


If you follow Imran Khan's policies; you will only "be painting yourself into the proverbial corner".
 
Woooww. What an awesome reply. So logical. The matter of fact put briefly is whether we are warriors or not but we definitely are not whores for America nor are we beggars to ask for alms like our great nation Pakistan. And i feel happy to cry in front of you coz I know I wud never cry in front of Superpowers. :)

well go and read your history ... who goes to russia in 65 for cease fire ? hahahh common kiddo dont watch Aj tak too much its effecting your brain ....
we are whores and your capital is famous as rape city hahahhaahahahhahahahhahaha
 
well go and read your history ... who goes to russia in 65 for cease fire ? hahahh common kiddo dont watch Aj tak too much its effecting your brain ....
we are whores and your capital is famous as rape city hahahhaahahahhahahahhahaha
We went to russia for ceasefire? Well thats not world version of history. Maybe your larger than life Army taught you all greatness bout theirs and you like a hypnotised person bought it with heart. Neednt say your bubble burst after 2001 when real value of Pak Army got exposed. I understand how citizens of a country ruled by Dictators have their version of history. :)

Welcome to reality Mr. Hypnotised. :D



Watch all the 4 parts

By the way I wont be shocked if you call those traitors who burst your bubble. ha ha
 
We went to russia for ceasefire? Well thats not world version of history. Maybe your larger than life Army taught you all greatness bout theirs and you like a hypnotised person bought it with heart. Neednt say your bubble burst after 2001 when real value of Pak Army got exposed. I understand how citizens of a country ruled by Dictators have their version of history. :)

Welcome to reality Mr. Hypnotised. :D



Watch all the 4 parts

i am not shocked you post these videos , but there are many indian gen who tell reality of your so callled victories ... and i also wont be shocked you call them traitors hahahahha
By the way I wont be shocked if you call those traitors who burst your bubble. ha ha
 
I know nobody can be shocked coz that the truth. I wud request you to post the links bout our generals talking bout our War history. Infact not only war but Pakistani civilan history too is fake. Infact, Pakistan of today is completely opposite to real intent of Jinnah's Pakistan. Care to explain why this happaned?
 
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