US providing precision strike technology to Pakistan

[wiseone2]

Those DB-110 recon pods, those GBUs and more importantly those AIM-120 C5s (which are not required for anti-terror operation) don't be ungrateful to the Uncle.

Generally air to air weapons are not considered strike weapons

 

[niaz]

My countrymen are extremely naïve. We support countries simply because they are Muslim, even though many prefer India over us. I remember Col Nasser of Egypt commenting to Indian ambassador in 1965 that he was awaiting good news of ‘Fall of Lahore’ but it never came. In Feb 1973 arms meant for Baluch insurgents were found in Iraqi diplomatic pouches but Pakistani public still supported Saddam Hussein!

It is also clear that most of my countrymen don’t understand “Realpolitik”. US neither hates nor loves Pakistan or any other country for that matter; even Cuba is now coming out of US hate list. Foreign policy of the US, China or any other country would support another country only if it is in the greater interest of the country providing aid or support.

The equipment in question is surplus to the US requirement. Had it been in the US mainland, it would normally end up in a storage dump. Lethal elements would be removed and the rest auctioned off or sold/ given to other countries as aid.

Since this hardware happened to be in Afghanistan; it is not cost effective to transport it back to the US. Hence it is being donated to the Pakistan, Afghanistan & Jordan to earn equivalent of ‘Brownie points’. Additionally, Zarbe-e-Azb is attacking Taliban strongholds in North Waziristan therefore indirectly helping ISAF.

China is investing in Pakistan and selling arms to us but expects that we would support China if the need so arises. US & all other countries do the same. When US sells us arms, in addition to gaining political influence; US is also indirectly helping her arms industry. Old PL-48 programme was also instituted primarily to support US farmers.

India is now the 7th largest economy in the world. US, France, UK as well as China want a share of the Indian market. Why do you think Iran has good relations with India? Before the sanctions, India was buying 400,000 bbl. per day of Iranian crude. She is still buying 200,000bbl per day under special dispensation.

We have to remember that there are no “Free lunches” in this world. There would alwys be a 'Quid pro quo'
If Pakistanis expect otherwise, they are being foolish.

 

[airmarshal]

In the past couple of years, US has provided Pakistan real time precision strike capability. I think the envoy is referring to Goodrich DB110 and Sniper XR pods.

 

[aftab_s81]

My countrymen are extremely naïve. We support countries simply because they are Muslim, even though many prefer India over us. I remember Col Nasser of Egypt commenting to Indian ambassador in 1965 that he was awaiting good news of ‘Fall of Lahore’ but it never came. In Feb 1973 arms meant for Baluch insurgents were found in Iraqi diplomatic pouches but Pakistani public still supported Saddam Hussein!

It is also clear that most of my countrymen don’t understand “Realpolitik”. US neither hates nor loves Pakistan or any other country for that matter; even Cuba is now coming out of US hate list. Foreign policy of the US, China or any other country would support another country only if it is in the greater interest of the country providing aid or support.

The equipment in question is surplus to the US requirement. Had it been in the US mainland, it would normally end up in a storage dump. Lethal elements would be removed and the rest auctioned off or sold/ given to other countries as aid.

Since this hardware happened to be in Afghanistan; it is not cost effective to transport it back to the US. Hence it is being donated to the Pakistan, Afghanistan & Jordan to earn equivalent of ‘Brownie points’. Additionally, Zarbe-e-Azb is attacking Taliban strongholds in North Waziristan therefore indirectly helping ISAF.

China is investing in Pakistan and selling arms to us but expects that we would support China if the need so arises. US & all other countries do the same. When US sells us arms, in addition to gaining political influence; US is also indirectly helping her arms industry. Old PL-48 programme was also instituted primarily to support US farmers.

India is now the 7th largest economy in the world. US, France, UK as well as China want a share of the Indian market. Why do you think Iran has good relations with India? Before the sanctions, Indian was buying 400,000 bbl. per day of Iranian crude. She is still buying 200,000bbl per day under special dispensation.

We have to remember that there are no “Free lunches” in this world. There would alwys be a 'Quid pro quo'
If Pakistanis expect otherwise, they are being foolish.

A great piece of article. I think there can not be a clearer message than this about a country's foreign policy, her friends and foes.

 

[Mughal-Prince]

What's new in this ?? We are clearing their mess and they are providing weapons to do it and that is nothing new these weapons are for F-16s which we already have in our arsenal but when it depleted they replenish them nothing much.

 

[Ultima Thule]

What's new in this ?? We are clearing their mess and they are providing weapons to do it and that is nothing new these weapons are for F-16s which we already have in our arsenal but when it depleted they replenish them nothing much.

You think that they will gives us their Top notch technology to Pakistan or you wanna see F-35 in PAF colors, you live in fools land

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Don't Pakistan already have guided bombs or missiles?

doesn't pakistan have first generation laser guided bombs ?

Yes we do.

Takbir
H-4 Stand off missile
H-2
Barq Laser guided missile
Guidance kits for bombs
etc etc

Chinese Laser n Sat guided missiles/bombs under license etc etc.

 

[Neptune]

My countrymen are extremely naïve. We support countries simply because they are Muslim, even though many prefer India over us. I remember Col Nasser of Egypt commenting to Indian ambassador in 1965 that he was awaiting good news of ‘Fall of Lahore’ but it never came. In Feb 1973 arms meant for Baluch insurgents were found in Iraqi diplomatic pouches but Pakistani public still supported Saddam Hussein!

It is also clear that most of my countrymen don’t understand “Realpolitik”. US neither hates nor loves Pakistan or any other country for that matter; even Cuba is now coming out of US hate list. Foreign policy of the US, China or any other country would support another country only if it is in the greater interest of the country providing aid or support.

The equipment in question is surplus to the US requirement. Had it been in the US mainland, it would normally end up in a storage dump. Lethal elements would be removed and the rest auctioned off or sold/ given to other countries as aid.

Since this hardware happened to be in Afghanistan; it is not cost effective to transport it back to the US. Hence it is being donated to the Pakistan, Afghanistan & Jordan to earn equivalent of ‘Brownie points’. Additionally, Zarbe-e-Azb is attacking Taliban strongholds in North Waziristan therefore indirectly helping ISAF.

China is investing in Pakistan and selling arms to us but expects that we would support China if the need so arises. US & all other countries do the same. When US sells us arms, in addition to gaining political influence; US is also indirectly helping her arms industry. Old PL-48 programme was also instituted primarily to support US farmers.

India is now the 7th largest economy in the world. US, France, UK as well as China want a share of the Indian market. Why do you think Iran has good relations with India? Before the sanctions, India was buying 400,000 bbl. per day of Iranian crude. She is still buying 200,000bbl per day under special dispensation.

We have to remember that there are no “Free lunches” in this world. There would alwys be a 'Quid pro quo'
If Pakistanis expect otherwise, they are being foolish.

I humbly agree with you. However, economic development without building strongholds for basic principals such as humans rights, HDI..etc. its just an iron curtain. No offense to India here, even though I like India and hope to visit there one day..

But what is there to be a top 10 economy if you can't even have the basic restructure for the WC needs of your own people and that becomes a main internal problem, or not allocating resources functional enough to minimize the casualties in floods.

 

[Mughal-Prince]

You think that they will gives us their Top notch technology to Pakistan or you wanna see F-35 in PAF colors, you live in fools land

In the first place if you don't understand what actually the poster means and the poster is senior you can gently ask what he/she means. It doesn't address you directly but to the main thread posted here.
Learn some manners and take some classes if you are unable to comprehend what's written in post.

 

[Ultima Thule]

In the first place if you don't understand what actually the poster means and the poster is senior you can gently ask what he/she means. It doesn't address you directly but to the main thread posted here.
Learn some manners and take some classes if you are unable to comprehend what's written in post.

Sorry sir if you hurts, I am very very sorry kindly explained what do you mean in your above post, thank you

 

[pkd]

It is the US teens that keeps the Indi Su's at bay. Indis know for fact that as big the RCS Su's have, APG will nail them before they coming to know wat hit them and hence the MMRCA.
And the AMRAAMS too are not meant for Tali guys.

 

[Curious_Guy]

My countrymen are extremely naïve. We support countries simply because they are Muslim, even though many prefer India over us. I remember Col Nasser of Egypt commenting to Indian ambassador in 1965 that he was awaiting good news of ‘Fall of Lahore’ but it never came. In Feb 1973 arms meant for Baluch insurgents were found in Iraqi diplomatic pouches but Pakistani public still supported Saddam Hussein!

It is also clear that most of my countrymen don’t understand “Realpolitik”. US neither hates nor loves Pakistan or any other country for that matter; even Cuba is now coming out of US hate list. Foreign policy of the US, China or any other country would support another country only if it is in the greater interest of the country providing aid or support.

The equipment in question is surplus to the US requirement. Had it been in the US mainland, it would normally end up in a storage dump. Lethal elements would be removed and the rest auctioned off or sold/ given to other countries as aid.

Since this hardware happened to be in Afghanistan; it is not cost effective to transport it back to the US. Hence it is being donated to the Pakistan, Afghanistan & Jordan to earn equivalent of ‘Brownie points’. Additionally, Zarbe-e-Azb is attacking Taliban strongholds in North Waziristan therefore indirectly helping ISAF.

China is investing in Pakistan and selling arms to us but expects that we would support China if the need so arises. US & all other countries do the same. When US sells us arms, in addition to gaining political influence; US is also indirectly helping her arms industry. Old PL-48 programme was also instituted primarily to support US farmers.

India is now the 7th largest economy in the world. US, France, UK as well as China want a share of the Indian market. Why do you think Iran has good relations with India? Before the sanctions, India was buying 400,000 bbl. per day of Iranian crude. She is still buying 200,000bbl per day under special dispensation.

We have to remember that there are no “Free lunches” in this world. There would alwys be a 'Quid pro quo'
If Pakistanis expect otherwise, they are being foolish.

Beautifully explained , thumbs up

 

[Mughal-Prince]

Sorry sir if you hurts, I am very very sorry kindly explained what do you mean in your above post, thank you

I am not hurt but one can always ask respectfully. No need to sorry and I wish you enjoy your stay here.

In my post I have replied to the thread keeping its title in mind and which in earlier posts a lot of people were unable to comprehend and may think it is about USA is Providing technology to Pakistan to build precision strike weapons which is not true in my knowledge but as we have bought some technology from USA which comes with precision strike weapons as a packages like LGBs in F-16 so when we use them against terrorist we billed them to USA (maybe not all of them but most of it) as we are their allies in war of terror. WIth that bill they didn't pay us dollars but they replenish our depleted arsenal which we have bought with our F-16s as a strike package. We can not integrate any thing else with our F-16s because we are bond to use US made delivery systems. In addition we also pay for additional ammunition we buy from them.
But to be straight I am doubtful with any thing which comes from USA that we are may be unable to use it without their consent.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Their mess?

What's new in this ?? We are clearing their mess and they are providing weapons to do it and that is nothing new these weapons are for F-16s which we already have in our arsenal but when it depleted they replenish them nothing much.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Ask the ground commanders and the Air Tasking officers what precision strike capability supplied by US has done for our boys!!!

At times in our eagerness to hate US we forget and move away from reality. Sniper and Goodrich pods have been a game changer in our fight against the Talban in FATA.

It has enabled us to launch precision strikes and I mean it (at times informers were asked to sit in the aircraft and identify individuals through real time imaging consoles!) day and night. This capability did not exist before. Taliban were put under relentless round the clock hammering from the air. Captured Taliban complained of not being able to resupply their posts in the night as they used to do so before. This capability alone to launch round the clock operations sapped the morale of our enemy and they withdrew from some areas and were forced to reduce the footprint of their area of operations drastically.

Both F-16 and Cobras with night flying capability were used for these type of operations. Another platform with high loiter time used to recon the area for hours and eventually designate the target. The video feed was then shared real-time with the F-16's and the Cobras (The choice was made to use either the cobras or the F-16 based upon the type of target being attacked) were vectored in on to the target and were talked into actual strike by on-board controllers on the recon aircraft.

At times informers were asked to sit in the Recon aircraft and identify individuals or their vehicles!!! at times strikes were called off when in the last minute, informers failed to recognize the target in the vehicle or a compound.

I have deliberately left out some info. that would have been an interesting read and and eye opener but can not do so for reasons of security.

This capability never existed to launch precision strikes day n night and in all kinds of flyable weather. It has saved the lives of our boys on the ground, reduced collateral damage, demoralized the enemy and enabled us to take out important targets and their command, assembly and control centers. Destroyed their ability to resupply etc.

Now, gentlemen and an occasional lady -- let us call a spade,a spade!!!!! We need to become mature and in some cases sane! Acknowledge what others have done for us (and of course for themselves too in the process) while perusing our favorite past time!!!!!!

My 2c worth.