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US predator strikes inside Pakistan - without permission

Well atleast, Tomahawk are not flying over Pak territory like happened in era of Nawaz Sharief. When it was launched within 60 miles of Pakistani maritime zone. Within the knowledge of ex PM Nawaz Sharrif. Nothing would change in Pak-US anti terrorism policy.
 
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I don't see how a tomohawk flying over Pakistan and exploding in Afghanistan is worse than a missile flying into pakistan and exploding inside pakistan and killing people present in pakistan. The tomohawks were not pointed at Pakistan, they were headed for Afghanistan only.
 
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US is un-challenge superpower ..might is always right. Territorial violation is challenging once sovereignty anyway. And we know and accepted we have bad elements in FATA. So, when other party is master of unipolar world, you have no choice, just to say " o well".
 
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That Predator LAUNCHED from Pakistan where it's based by permission. Don't tell me either that the PAF/ Pakistani Army didn't know nor that it departed w/ Hellfires on board. Air Invasion?! Stay off the Chitral brown, fellas.

How do "well-paid" associates of the C.I.A. know about an early morning convoy of A.Q. personnel to the compound of a Mehsud associate that's less than three miles from a Pakistani Army base? How does the Pakistani Army and ISI not know? Or did they and simply don't care?

If you want to worry about your sovereignty, ask how a known Libyan A.Q. executive is residing in Pakistan. Did he possess the same permssion from the GoP as our Predators?

Catch a clue and quit allowing Maqsad to spin his webs. It might help were you to read the article instead of wasting numerous posts on "air invasion". Shoot it down? A guy with a B.B. gun at the other end of the launch rail can do that.
 
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The problem is Pakistans illiterate masses don't know it's good for them that these scum terrorists are being killed. Even educated Pakistanis seem to think it's a bad thing that these bastards are dying. It baffles me.

Innocents dying - bad thing yes. But the people being killed in these strikes are not innocents, they are enemies of Pakistan (and America).
 
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if USA did indeed send a predator into pak without approval, its the political message that is more disturbing for pakistan than the military one. It is a known fact that US stealth UCAVs and manned aircraft can penetrate virtually any airspace in the world.

But if US did launch attacks based on info CIA gathered, it shows that USA doesnt trust pakistan. otherwise why didnt they share the info with the ISI or other pak military top brass? why did they decide to take matters into their own hands?
 
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Hi,

It is very important to read this article without prejudice, hate and dislike of america. The article gives a clear picture of what is happening around us, what kind of pressure the millitary and the govt has to face. It also tells us that how limited our resources are.

Just because we can talk the talk and know about all the things happening in the world, does not increase our ability. Young pakistanis must always remember the earthquake that we had---the capitol of the country did not have a heavy rescue operation equipment available---the city being built on or close to a major fault line---did not have any machinery and people trained to carry out rescue operations. We didnot have a single machine to pickup or cut the heavy concrete slabs of the people trapped nder the debris. This is what our true ability is---so keep that picture in mind before thinking of taking that predator out.

Once we realize that we are a poor country then we can start making changes to bring about a difference. Pakistan does not have the resource to detect incoming U S flights if the u s decides to blind our radars. It also has the resources to track the blind zones of our radars and fly through those zones---just like israel did recently to syria.

Someone quoted about tomahawk flight and Nawaz knew about it. No---no one knew about it---only Anthony Zinni did---he was having dinner with his pakistani counter part and told him that at that time the tomahawk were flying over pakistani space onwards to afghanistan. But a couple of them dropped short of their target and landed in pakistan----.

Here I would like to take the oppurtunity of starting this rumour for the sake of our religious friends---that a sindhi and a baluchi saint long dead, came out of their tombs and flew towards the missiles and tried to thwart the attack and held them and in the process brought down two tomahawk cruise missiles which landed intact on the soil of pakistan. After putting them down, they flew upwards again to bring the rest of them down---but alas the tomahwak were flying too fast. Now incidently---these saints, as usual were wearing a green coloured flowing robe. Rumour has it that in the 1971 war, one of the sindhi saints whose tomb is right next to the LANDSDOWN bridge on river indus at sukkur---would fly upwards in his green robe and catch the bombs lobbed by the indian planes directed at the bridge. He caught many of the bombs and brought them safely to the ground and the bridge was left undamaged. How do I know of it---I lived in sukkur after that war---people believed in it.

I think that our pathan brothers need the help of some night flying saint dressed in a green robe from sindh to help them thwart the random attacks of american predators. I think that Nawaz Sharif and Zardari need that help as well. They asked for it all---they got it all.
 
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hahhaha well said hahah dude Alot of people have this mentality i would agree with you
Hi,

It is very important to read this article without prejudice, hate and dislike of america. The article gives a clear picture of what is happening around us, what kind of pressure the millitary and the govt has to face. It also tells us that how limited our resources are.

Just because we can talk the talk and know about all the things happening in the world, does not increase our ability. Young pakistanis must always remember the earthquake that we had---the capitol of the country did not have a heavy rescue operation equipment available---the city being built on or close to a major fault line---did not have any machinery and people trained to carry out rescue operations. We didnot have a single machine to pickup or cut the heavy concrete slabs of the people trapped nder the debris. This is what our true ability is---so keep that picture in mind before thinking of taking that predator out.

Once we realize that we are a poor country then we can start making changes to bring about a difference. Pakistan does not have the resource to detect incoming U S flights if the u s decides to blind our radars. It also has the resources to track the blind zones of our radars and fly through those zones---just like israel did recently to syria.

Someone quoted about tomahawk flight and Nawaz knew about it. No---no one knew about it---only Anthony Zinni did---he was having dinner with his pakistani counter part and told him that at that time the tomahawk were flying over pakistani space onwards to afghanistan. But a couple of them dropped short of their target and landed in pakistan----.

Here I would like to take the oppurtunity of starting this rumour for the sake of our religious friends---that a sindhi and a baluchi saint long dead, came out of their tombs and flew towards the missiles and tried to thwart the attack and held them and in the process brought down two tomahawk cruise missiles which landed intact on the soil of pakistan. After putting them down, they flew upwards again to bring the rest of them down---but alas the tomahwak were flying too fast. Now incidently---these saints, as usual were wearing a green coloured flowing robe. Rumour has it that in the 1971 war, one of the sindhi saints whose tomb is right next to the LANDSDOWN bridge on river indus at sukkur---would fly upwards in his green robe and catch the bombs lobbed by the indian planes directed at the bridge. He caught many of the bombs and brought them safely to the ground and the bridge was left undamaged. How do I know of it---I lived in sukkur after that war---people believed in it.

I think that our pathan brothers need the help of some night flying saint dressed in a green robe from sindh to help them thwart the random attacks of american predators. I think that Nawaz Sharif and Zardari need that help as well. They asked for it all---they got it all.
 
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The problem is Pakistans illiterate masses don't know it's good for them that these scum terrorists are being killed. Even educated Pakistanis seem to think it's a bad thing that these bastards are dying. It baffles me.

It's not so much that they are dying as the manner in which they are killed. This killing was an extra judicial assasination. The proper way to kill someone who "deserves to die" under the laws of a country which allows capital punishment is to arrest or capture the suspect and then do a positive identification to make sure you have the right person. After that you conduct an interrogation in accordance with the laws of the land. Then comes a trial, conviction and sentencing.

Innocents dying - bad thing yes. But the people being killed in these strikes are not innocents, they are enemies of Pakistan (and America).

The person killed in this strike was supposedly a guilty party but what about tomorrow or next week? What happens if they fire the missile into the wrong house next time or they fire it into a house where someone innocent has been kidnapped or is delivering milk or is just hanging out or is passing by?

Also look at it from a personal point of view, are you comfortable having your whole family woken up at 11:30 PM at night by a huge explosion that traumatizes toddlers, women and the elderly and then you look outside to find that there is a big smoking crater two or three houses down from you because a suspected felon believed to be armed and dangerous was seen entering a house that he supposedly rented? Or would you rather that the FBI or police had surrounded the house and teargassed the guy before capturing him? Bear in mind also that the property damage caused by a missile as well as its production costs likely exceed the payroll cost of having a swat team apprehend a suspect.
 
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US is un-challenge superpower ..might is always right. Territorial violation is challenging once sovereignty anyway. And we know and accepted we have bad elements in FATA. So, when other party is master of unipolar world, you have no choice, just to say " o well".
keep in mind, soviet union was a super power. there were quite a few territorial violations in pak back then too, you know what happened.
 
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Quit dissembling.

Let's clear the air.

No "air-invasion". None. This vehicle flew by permission from Pakistani soil armed with Hellfires. The Pakistani gov't either knows or, alternatively, knows that it doesn't want to know.

This means that the GoP WANT Predators to fly from Pakistani soil armed with Hellfires to kill targets on Pakistani soil. Yup. THAT's what it means.

The target was a known Libyan senior Al Qaeda officer traveling at night in a convoy of vehicles in Pakistan's northwest. Hmmm....

Destination? No rented building "two or three houses down from you", but a COMPOUND less than three miles from a Pakistani army base. This COMPOUND was the residence of a known and unimpeded associate of Baitullah Mehsud.

Get over your self-righteous, dissembling, dishonest self and ask how our "well-paid" C.I.A. agents knew what your government and army purposely chose NOT to know while only three miles away? Just as they choose NOT TO KNOW about the Predator raid itself.

It's called plausible deniability for Pakistani leaders who refuse to confront their own demons. In your own nation you feign ignorance of a war raging on your doorstep while issuing crocadile-tears for the cause of jurisprudence.

You've a belated and misplaced concern for the rules of law where it's absence is absolute among those expected to provide such institutions.
 
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S-2, the bulk of your fuming speculative diatribe can be dismissed simply due to "reader error", almost everyone here made mistakes and it is because of the way the article was written. It doesn't matter if a predator takes off from a pakistani base or flies a few miles across the border. What matters is that this is an extra judicial assasination authorized by the press of a button in Langley by some self rightious war criminal with immunity from prosecution.

The only substantive point you made in your venomous spew is that a tiny minority of the pak military has somehow been blackmailed into approving these randomized murders by missile rather than capturing suspects properly. This however is not going to make me like the fact that civilians are at the mercy of button pressing rightwing nutjobs in the US and have to live in terror of being blown up by uniformed armies for no rhyme or reason. Nothing you say is going to make me like that fact and nothing you or anyone say is going to make the majority of civilians and perhaps even military personell in Western Pakistan like that.
 
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"your fuming speculative diatribe..."

...states the truth. Nothing but. An armed Predator launched from Pakistan. It attacked an A.Q. officer in the COMPOUND of a taliban associate of Baitullah Mehsud within SIGHT of a Pakistani Army base.

No lies there. Issues? Take your disingenuous worries down to Islamabad and COMPLAIN on deaf ears. The GoP has it's head intentionally buried in the sand.

"SEE NO, SPEAK NO, HEAR NO EVIL", they say in mantra as they squat, eating lotus.

"...your venomous spew..." harbors nothing but the truth. An alien concept to you.

Any A.Q. officer who can CONVOY to a Taliban compound in eyesight of a Pakistani army base isn't sweating capture. I'm really pleased with this op. Bush is doing EXACTLY as Barak Obama wishes by attacking high-profile targets where the Pakistani government refuses to do so.

What's best is that we do so from Pakistan without need of an "air-invasion".:lol:

We've the permission of your government to do what they can't and wouldn't in any case on their own so-called "sovereign" soil- kill terrorists. Nothing has stopped Pakistan from arresting these animals on their own soil except Pakistan.

Well. They're dead now at the taliban compound less than three miles from the Pakistani army base. On to the next irhabist puke. Enjoy, Maqsad, as your list of taliban and A.Q. friends becomes shorter daily.

I know that I certainly do.:agree:
 
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Pakistan was involved in negotiations with the North Waziristan militants at the time. It benefited both sides (US and Pakistan) to utilize this particular avenue to get rid of Libby. Pakistan does not jeopardize its negotiations, and an AQ leader, who would never give two cents about honoring any "deal, gets taken care off.

Maqsad
- regarding "arresting people", how do you propose we do that - since the militants have essentially destroyed the traditional authority in the region, and have killed upwards of 300 Tribal Maliks?

When Pakistan wanted the "foreigners" out of South Waziristan, it took a major operation by thousands of Wazir Tribesmen backed by the PA, over a few weeks to accomplish that, even though the Wazir's supported the move. Not exactly a conducive environment to "arrest and try suspects".

Imposing the constitution and allowing the "rule of law" is what all of us want, but it is not Pakistan or the US who are preventing that - it is the militants, and they refuse to bow in front of any law.
 
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As expected S-2 you still didn't address the issue but just spewed more provocative drivel. It is a fact that innocent civilians are being killed in Afghanistan because right wing nutjobs are trying to battle a noun. Nobody wants that sickness coming to pakistan--oh except you and all the other loonies who want to create hell on earth wherver you go by bringing poverty, misery, resentment and militancy directly by your actions and policies. And those Al-Cia-duhs are your buddies that went off the payroll, nothing to do with me.
 
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