US-Philippines Reach Deal on US Military Access

[GR!FF!N]

Anyway, Phillipine should focus on develop their own navy and coastal defence ... that's a must have for an island country.
China army ever tasted Vietnam army endurance several times ... even airforce ... we have nothing to be worried about ...

I think Vietnam already bought Yakhont Coastal Missile batteries from Russia.so,coastal defence is good.plus,they bought Kilo class subs and other Frigates which will be great addition in their navy.

Its the Philippines who grabbed Moro lands first and tried to grab the Spratly islands.

nne of it had any Chinese presence before..so,there is no place for your incursion into their naval boundary.

 

[tranquilium]

China seems to have played right into the hands of USA by bullying in the SCS

Meh, as long as China progresses and becomes better and stronger, it will inevitably come into conflict with US another way or another. Whatever Philippines does is their business.

 

[Wholegrain]

I think Vietnam already bought Yakhont Coastal Missile batteries from Russia.so,coastal defence is good.plus,they bought Kilo class subs and other Frigates which will be great addition in their navy.



nne of it had any Chinese presence before..so,there is no place for your incursion into their naval boundary.

Britain first found Chinese fishermen from Hainan on the Spratly islands, then they launched the first modern legal claims to the islands.

Security and International Politics in the South China Sea: Towards a co ... - Google Books

War Or Peace in the South China Sea? - Google Books

Dictionary of Contemporary Chinese Military History - Larry M. Wortzel, Robin D. S. Higham - Google Books

The Republic of China (Taiwan) garrisoned, claimed and occupied the Spratly islands before Vietnam was even independent from France in the 1930s. It was the first asian country to claim and garrison the islands and Chinese fishermen were there before Vietnam. A Filipino named Tomas Cloma then claimed to have discovered the Spratly islands as "terra nullius" in the 1940s. The Philippines itself did not claim the islands until the 1970s under Marcos.

Vietnam Joins the World - Google Books

Where in the World is the Philippines?: Debating Its National Territory - Rodolfo Severino - Google Books

The Law of the Sea and Northeast Asia: A Challenge for Cooperation - HÅi-gwŏn Pak - Google Books

Spratly Islands (reefs, South China Sea) -- Encyclopedia Britannica[/quote][/quote]

 

[GR!FF!N]

Britain first found Chinese fishermen from Hainan on the Spratly islands, then they launched the first modern legal claims to the islands.

Security and International Politics in the South China Sea: Towards a co ... - Google Books

War Or Peace in the South China Sea? - Google Books

Dictionary of Contemporary Chinese Military History - Larry M. Wortzel, Robin D. S. Higham - Google Books

that makes this islands property of "China"??funny,isn't it??Dig whole world properly and you'd find a British,French,Italian or Spanish everywhere..

The Republic of China (Taiwan) garrisoned, claimed and occupied the Spratly islands before Vietnam was even independent from France in the 1930s. It was the first asian country to claim and garrison the islands and Chinese fishermen were there before Vietnam. A Filipino named Tomas Cloma then claimed to have discovered the Spratly islands as "terra nullius" in the 1940s. The Philippines itself did not claim the islands until the 1970s under Marcos.

Vietnam Joins the World - Google Books

Where in the World is the Philippines?: Debating Its National Territory - Rodolfo Severino - Google Books

The Law of the Sea and Northeast Asia: A Challenge for Cooperation - HÅi-gwŏn Pak - Google Books

Spratly Islands (reefs, South China Sea) -- Encyclopedia Britannica

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if I'm not wrong,Taiwan was under Japan's control at that time.it was ROC and not ROC(Taiwan) who must did that.but even then,I couldn't find any reference of this.it was France who occupied these islands during that time,while later,Japan captured it and made a Sub base there.ROC came much later,after WW II was over.see,in modern times,its Vietnam under France who claimed these islands,while there was no reference of Spartly as part of China even in 1904.see,in San Francisco Treaty,Japan renounced all the islands they took from China.but they never took Spartly from ROC.they captured it while they were ruling Taiwan.

 

[Zero_wing]

Britain first found Chinese fishermen from Hainan on the Spratly islands, then they launched the first modern legal claims to the islands.

Security and International Politics in the South China Sea: Towards a co ... - Google Books

War Or Peace in the South China Sea? - Google Books

Dictionary of Contemporary Chinese Military History - Larry M. Wortzel, Robin D. S. Higham - Google Books

The Republic of China (Taiwan) garrisoned, claimed and occupied the Spratly islands before Vietnam was even independent from France in the 1930s. It was the first asian country to claim and garrison the islands and Chinese fishermen were there before Vietnam. A Filipino named Tomas Cloma then claimed to have discovered the Spratly islands as "terra nullius" in the 1940s. The Philippines itself did not claim the islands until the 1970s under Marcos.

Vietnam Joins the World - Google Books

Where in the World is the Philippines?: Debating Its National Territory - Rodolfo Severino - Google Books

The Law of the Sea and Northeast Asia: A Challenge for Cooperation - HÅi-gwŏn Pak - Google Books

Spratly Islands (reefs, South China Sea) -- Encyclopedia Britannica

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Again nothing but arrogant han imperialist propaganda

 

[Wholegrain]

that makes this islands property of "China"??funny,isn't it??Dig whole world properly and you'd find a British,French,Italian or Spanish everywhere..





if I'm not wrong,Taiwan was under Japan's control at that time.it was ROC and not ROC(Taiwan) who must did that.but even then,I couldn't find any reference of this. it was France who occupied these islands during that time,while later,Japan captured it and made a Sub base there.ROC came much later,after WW II was over.see,in modern times,its Vietnam under France who claimed these islands,while there was no reference of Spartly as part of China even in 1904.see,in San Francisco Treaty,Japan renounced all the islands they took from China.but they never took Spartly from ROC.they captured it while they were ruling Taiwan.

Read the sources. France did not claim the Spratlys in 1904. I meant to say the Republic of China claimed the islands already in the 1930s before Vietnam was an independent cointry, it effectively occupied Itu Aba island in the 1940s before any other asian nation. The Republic of China challenged France's claim and had legal and historical evidence on their side, before the 1930s, nobody challenged China's claim to the islands.

The Law of the Sea in the Asian Pacific Region: Developments and Prospects - Google Books

In the Shadow of Giants: The Major Powers and the Security of Southeast Asia - Anthony James Gregor - Google Books

 

[Rechoice]

Read the sources. France did not claim the Spratlys in 1904. I meant to say the Republic of China claimed the islands already in the 1930s before Vietnam was an independent cointry, it effectively occupied Itu Aba island in the 1940s before any other asian nation. The Republic of China challenged France's claim and had legal and historical evidence on their side, before the 1930s, nobody challenged China's claim to the islands.

The Law of the Sea in the Asian Pacific Region: Developments and Prospects - Google Books

In the Shadow of Giants: The Major Powers and the Security of Southeast Asia - Anthony James Gregor - Google Books

Islands controlled from time of Nguyen Dynasty of Vietnam. Canton Governor stated that Islands not belong to Man Qing Dynasty China. Kid.

 

[BoQ77]

Read the sources. France did not claim the Spratlys in 1904. I meant to say the Republic of China claimed the islands already in the 1930s before Vietnam was an independent cointry, it effectively occupied Itu Aba island in the 1940s before any other asian nation. The Republic of China challenged France's claim and had legal and historical evidence on their side, before the 1930s, nobody challenged China's claim to the islands.

The Law of the Sea in the Asian Pacific Region: Developments and Prospects - Google Books

In the Shadow of Giants: The Major Powers and the Security of Southeast Asia - Anthony James Gregor - Google Books

Japan could claimed for the nowaday Republic of China territory, legally.
Even Christopher Columbus cannot claimed for America ...

The Cairo Declaration, drafted by the Allies and China towards the end of World War II, listed the territories that the Allies intended to strip from Japan and return to China. Despite China being among the authors of the declaration, this list did not include the Spratlys.[39] Vietnam's response to China's claim that the Cairo Declaration somehow recognized the latter's sovereignty over the Spratlys is that this claim has no basis in fact.

At the San Francisco Conference on the peace treaty with Japan, the Soviet Union proposed that the Paracels and Spratlys be recognized as belonging to China. This proposal was rejected by an overwhelming majority of the delegates. On July 7, 1951, Tran Van Huu, head of the Bảo Đại Government's (State of Vietnam) delegation to the conference declared that the Paracels and Spratlys were part of Vietnamese territory. This declaration met with no challenge from the 51 representatives at the conference.[38]

The text of the Treaty of San Francisco listed the Spratlys as not part of the list of territories to be returned to China

 

[sincity]

Viet Nam forever under China intimidation. Viet Nam will never want to be part of China alliance but can't never rise to power to challenge China in the region. Viet Nam geopolitic only to serve irritant to China in the region and pose no serious threat to China interest or security in the region.

 

[BoQ77]

Viet Nam forever under China intimidation. Viet Nam will never want to be part of China alliance but can't never rise to power to challenge China in the region. Viet Nam geopolitic only to serve irritant to China in the region and pose no serious threat to China interest or security in the region.

We never intend to challenge China in the region. Your assumption is wrong !!!
We see the Phillipines act is defensive act, not anything relate to challenge China too ...

 

[sincity]

We never intend to challenge China in the region. Your assumption is wrong !!!
We see the Phillipines act is defensive act, not anything relate to challenge China too ...

It isn't Viet Nam don't want to Challenge China in the region, Viet Nam incapable Challenge China in the region.

 

[BoQ77]

It isn't Viet Nam don't want to Challenge China in the region, Viet Nam incapable Challenge China in the region.

Your guess is wrong too.
It's better for you to have a peaceful environment ...

Let see how Russia ( USA ) using Crime ( Vietnam, Japan, Korea, Phillipine, Singapore ) to challenge Ukraine ( China )

 

[GR!FF!N]

Read the sources. France did not claim the Spratlys in 1904. I meant to say the Republic of China claimed the islands already in the 1930s before Vietnam was an independent cointry, it effectively occupied Itu Aba island in the 1940s before any other asian nation. The Republic of China challenged France's claim and had legal and historical evidence on their side, before the 1930s, nobody challenged China's claim to the islands.

The Law of the Sea in the Asian Pacific Region: Developments and Prospects - Google Books

In the Shadow of Giants: The Major Powers and the Security of Southeast Asia - Anthony James Gregor - Google Books

the second book clearly saying that using early 19th century records,France declared sovereignty on Spartly and Parcels in 1930s.ROC lodged a formal protest,but not effective as they were fighting Japan that time.thus,France made weather stations.then Japan claimed it.actually,during Sino-French War,French destroyed ships which China used to protect and patrol SCS zone,thus,they moved for their claim.they built a lighthouse in 1899.its kind of fuzzy to say that ROC/China always lodged protests but they never went to resolved that problem.so,if one had to use Status Quo after WW II,it should belong to Vietnam under French as Japan shed all its claim on it .though after WW II,ROC moved quickly to occupy Taiping and others.frankly speaking,its only after WW II when ROC captured some of the islands and not before it,while French did it almost half a century ago.

 

[sincity]

Your guess is wrong too.
It's better for you to have a peaceful environment ...

Let see how Russia ( USA ) using Crime ( Vietnam, Japan, Korea, Phillipine, Singapore ) to challenge Ukraine ( China )

Ukraine and Viet Nam 2 different country and 2 different continent. There isn't a Asea Union to hedge against China, Asia military can't compare to the Nato military power. US mostly calling to shot in Asia pacific, U.S military base in Japan, Korea, and near future will be in Phillippine. With U.S base in your country, you will forever be subject to U.S demand and subjugate of foreign power. S.Korea, Japan can't conduct foreign policy without US input or direction. Viet Nam always be China next door neighbor, this won't change. Viet Nam don't want foreign troop to use Viet Nam territory to attack China. Viet Nam don't want to fight a war with China to preserve foreign power and their interest.

Ukraine and Viet Nam 2 different country and 2 different continent. There isn't a Asea Union to hedge against China, Asia military can't compare to the Nato military power. US mostly calling to shot in Asia pacific, U.S military base in Japan, Korea, and near future will be in Phillippine. With U.S base in your country, you will forever be subject to U.S demand and subjugate of foreign power. S.Korea, Japan can't conduct foreign policy without US input or direction. Viet Nam always be China next door neighbor, this won't change. Viet Nam don't want foreign troop to use Viet Nam territory to attack China. Viet Nam don't want to fight a war with China to preserve foreign power and their interest.

Viet Nam hope foreign intervention in case war break out with China in the future.

 

[BoQ77]

Ukraine and Viet Nam 2 different country and 2 different continent. There isn't a Asea Union to hedge against China, Asia military can't compare to the Nato military power. US mostly calling to shot in Asia pacific, U.S military base in Japan, Korea, and near future will be in Phillippine. With U.S base in your country, you will forever be subject to U.S demand and subjugate of foreign power. S.Korea, Japan can't conduct foreign policy without US input or direction. Viet Nam always be China next door neighbor, this won't change. Viet Nam don't want foreign troop to use Viet Nam territory to attack China. Viet Nam don't want to fight a war with China to preserve foreign power and their interest.




Viet Nam hope foreign intervention in case war break out with China in the future.

You are pushing us closer to that pact, let see the Phillipine act ... why you dont imagine the same happen to Vietnam.
Japan, USA is more than welcome to have the positive response in building an alliance against China ...

I think, that's too much problem created for China to handle those 2 countries ... more enemies really not good ...