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US & Pakistan Dispute and Tensions over Haqqani group

There is absolutely no truth in the allegation that the ISI/PA/GoP supported/ordered/instigated the Haqqani network (or any other group) in carrying out the attacks on the US Embassy, truck bombing of US troops or the attack on the hotel - there is clearly NO MOTIVE for the ISI/PA/GoP to support/instigate/order these attacks.

if you look clearly no one said isi ordered the attacks directly.....the only allegation is isi/pa is harboring them(haqqanis).....this attack could have been an independent haqqani decision......but the allegation is pak provides them a safe sacntuary in NW to take these independent decision....

and the demand is to deny them the sanctuary so that they dont take these decisions from the safe confines of north waziridtan.....

surely there is truth in it......
 
if you look clearly no one said isi ordered the attacks directly.....
Did I misinterpret the statements from US officials, or did you not read them?

Please read them again, quote them and explain to me how they are not alleging direct ISI involvement in the three attacks mentioned
 
Did I misinterpret the statements from US officials, or did you not read them?

Please read them again, quote them and explain to me how they are not alleging direct ISI involvement in the three attacks mentioned

everyone accused the isi/gop of being an accessory to murder...not the murderer itself.....
 
everyone accused the isi/gop of being an accessory to murder...not the murderer itself.....
Not even the Haqqanis are the 'murderers', but as leaders of the organization they are responsible - by arguing that the ISI supported the Haqqanis in carrying out these attacks, the US is alleging the ISI is just as complicit as the Haqqanis themselves.
 
Saudi intel officials meet DG ISI

ISLAMABAD: A delegation comprising Saudi intelligence offcials met with the ISI chief Ahmed Shuja Pasha here Monday, Geo News reported.

According to sources, the delegation met with Pasha along with other ISI officials at the ISI headquarters.
VERY important development... I presume they talked about financial support from Saudi in case we had to confront Dajjali-US... as important as military support from China (chinese deputy's visit bearing some "message")...
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Dajjali-US will go on now & conduct series of false-flags to create excuses against Pak-Watan...

Gunfire heard at 'CIA office' in Kabul

25 September 2011


Gunfire has been heard from a compound believed to house the CIA office in the Afghan capital Kabul.

A US official confirmed there was an attack on the facility previously known as the Ariana hotel, describing the situation as "fluid".

There were no reports of any casualties. The CIA has not commented.

The attack comes two weeks after militants fired rocket-propelled grenades at the US embassy and Nato headquarters in Kabul.

Some 25 people died in the 20-hour attack, which Washington blamed on the Haqqani militant group.

The US also accused Pakistan's spy agency of supporting the group - a claim denied by Islamabad.

Earlier this week, Burhanuddin Rabbani, the chief of Afghanistan's High Peace Council, was killed in a suicide bomb attack in the Afghan capital. The Taliban claimed responsibility for that attack.

'Investigation ongoing'

The gunfire at the US compound was heard on Sunday evening.

It was not clear if the incident took place inside the building or just outside.

"The situation is fluid, and the investigation is ongoing," said the US official, who was speaking on condition of anonymity.

The official declined to provide further details.

A spokesman for the Afghan interior ministry said Kabul police had heard gunfire for "a couple of minutes" from inside the Ariana hotel.

Siddiq Siddiqui added that Afghan forces could not go inside as the site "belongs to coalition forces" and was "not within the reach of police", the AFP news agency reports.

The compound is located in the most secure part of Kabul - near the Afghan presidential palace, the US embassy and Nato military bases.

Nato and US embassy officials have not publicly commented on the incident.



(BBC News)

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Building used by CIA attacked in Kabul
A building used by the CIA in Kabul came under attack on Sunday, US and Afghan officials said, the latest in a series of attacks in the Afghan capital.

10:47PM BST 25 Sep 2011

Afghan authorities said gunfire was heard in the evening near the Ariana Hotel, a building that former US intelligence officials said was the CIA station in Kabul. The CIA occupied the heavily secured building just blocks from the Afghan presidential palace in late 2001 after the US-led invasion that toppled the Taliban.

There was no immediate word on casualties.

A US official confirmed there was an attack on a facility used by American officials in Kabul.

"The situation is fluid, and the investigation is ongoing," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.

Officials at the US-led coalition headquarters nearby said they heard the gunfire, but did not have details about the incident.
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The attack came two weeks after militants fired rocket-propelled grenades and assault rifles at the US Embassy, Nato headquarters and other buildings, killing seven Afghans. No embassy or Nato staff members were hurt in the 22-hour assault, but accusations over who was responsible have plunged US relations with Pakistan to new lows.

The top US military officer, Adm. Mike Mullen, last week accused Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency of supporting insurgents in planning and executing the Sept. 13 attack as well as a truck bomb days earlier that wounded 77 American troops.

The insurgents, from the Haqqani network, are affiliated with the Taliban and al-Qaeda. The group primarily operates in eastern Afghanistan and is often blamed for attacks in Kabul.

Senior Pakistani officials have lashed out against the allegations of support for the Haqqani network, accusing the US of trying to make Pakistan a scapegoat for its troubled war in Afghanistan.
 
In case you are unfamiliar with the ever evolving serial,....Haqqnis, like the Al-quaida were once the darlings of Uncle America....
Haqqani a state guest of Reagan...
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Haqqani a state guest of Reagan...
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Thanks for the pic, but the quote was neither for the Haqqanis, nor for any other group fighting in Afghanistan. Rather it was for the Contra rebels fighting against the Sandinista government in Nicaragua.

Nevertheless, the pic is really ironic!
 
Not even the Haqqanis are the 'murderers', but as leaders of the organization they are responsible - by arguing that the ISI supported the Haqqanis in carrying out these attacks, the US is alleging the ISI is just as complicit as the Haqqanis themselves.

and how did you decide that ?

the allegations of the usa are as simple as that -- haqqanis are the murderers and isi/gop/pa are accessories to murder on the count of wilfully allowing the haqqanis to set shop in north waziristan......

and their demand --- plead guilty and turn approvers by chasing out the haqqanis from north waziristan.....
 
Ahem....Ahem...


CIA created Haqqani network, says Malik


ISLAMABAD: Interior Minister Rehman Malik said on Sunday that Haqqani network was created and trained by Central Intelligence Agency of the United States.

Talking to reporters at a ceremony held by Islamabad police in connection with the seizure of a large cache of weapons, the minister said: “The Haqqanis have no links with Pakistan and they are operating from Afghanistan. Those claiming otherwise should give a credible evidence of its presence in Pakistan.”

The interior minister’s statement came in response to the US allegations that the Pakistan government and Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) had close links with the network and were complicit in the attacks on US interests inside Afghanistan.

Mr Malik said Pakistan never blamed the CIA or Afghanistan directly over various attacks in Mohmand Agency or other areas in Pakistan. The government, he said, was determined to eliminate terrorism and the future of Pakistan was safe because of the unity of the nation against this menace.

“Any aggression from the outside or mischievous activity from the inside will not be tolerated. Pakistan’s sovereignty will never be compromised and everyone will stand with the Pakistan army and law-enforcement agencies to counter any challenge,” he said.

He said that no compromise would be made on Pakistan’s sovereignty because the country suffered a loss of $68 billion in the fight against terrorism.

Mr Malik called for a strong immigration system on the Pakistan-Afghan border and urged the international community not to forget Pakistan’s sacrifices in the fight against terrorism. “No one will be allowed to enter into Pakistan without immigration,” he said.

Answering a question about the cross-border infiltration of terrorists, the minister said: “We have been asking the Afghan government for last three years for installation of biometric system on the border to stop movement of terrorists but the neighbouring country does not respond.”

He said the government was fully cooperating with the US but even then it was being blamed for patronising the militants.

Mr Malik said that Pakistan was promised for capacity building of security forces but only a meagre support was extended in that regard.

“I appreciate President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani for providing Rs5 billion to enhance the efficiency of law-enforcement agencies in Sindh,” he said.

He said that several areas, including cooperation in the fight against terrorism, capacity building, drug smuggling and other issues would be discussed with the Chinese deputy prime minister and other officials at high level.

The minister said that some terrorists wanted to disrupt peace in Islamabad by attacking important buildings and information regarding them would be shared with the media after their arrest.

He said that Islamabad Police had foiled a bid to smuggle a large cache of arms, including six mini machine guns, 14 Kalashnikovs, four 12 bore pump action, one 12 bore double barrel, one sniper rifle and over 30,000 rounds from a vehicle near Motorway interchange.



CIA created Haqqani network, says Malik | Pakistan | DAWN.COM
 
So now all of sudden Rehman Malik is no longer a clown?
 
the same rahman malik who said karachi violence is being done by wags of insincere men ? :lol:
 
More progress in calming the situation down can only be good:

from: Diplomacy under way to de-escalate crisis | Newspaper | DAWN.COM

ISLAMABAD: As Islamabad and Washington continued discussions on Monday over latest round of crisis in their troubled relations spurred by allegations linking ISI to the Haqqani network, Pakistan opened consultations with some of its close allies over the tense situation.

The highlight of a series of meetings in Islamabad was a meeting between Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir and US Ambassador Cameron Munter.

The meeting took place shortly after Mr Munter had returned to Islamabad from Washington. It is understood that the meeting was a follow-up of the discussions Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar and Foreign Secretary Bashir had with American officials in New York for resuscitating the troubled ties.

Retiring US Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff had accused the ISI of being complicit with the Haqqani network in the Sept 13 attack in Kabul near the US Embassy and a bomb attack that wounded 77 American soldiers.

The charges, the most serious yet levelled by the US against Pakistan, were categorically rejected both by civilian and military leadership of the country.

At the Sunday’s extraordinary conference of corps commanders, the army clearly hinted that it would want the situation to be defused. Nevertheless, it desires to stand firm on its stance and insists on respect for the red lines.

In a clear indication that the situation is still critical, Army Chief Gen Kayani cancelled at the eleventh hour his scheduled trip to the UK where he was to address the International Institute for Strategic Studies and the Royal College of Defence Studies and meet British Defence Minister Liam Fox.

No reasons were officially given for the cancellation of the visit, but a security official said it was related to heightened tensions with the US.

Meanwhile, Vice Premier of China Meng Jianzhu in a meeting with Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee General Khalid Shameem Wynne discussed “the emerging geo-strategic situation of the region”.

The Chinese leader was quoted by the ISPR as having praised “the role played by the armed forces of Pakistan in the fight against terror”.

The issue also came up during Mr Jianzhu’s meeting with President Asif Ali Zardari.

Salim Saifullah Khan, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, told Reuters that he and other officials held talks with diplomats to explain Pakistan’s stand as the United States pushes the Pakistani army to go after the Haqqani network.

“We have been meeting with diplomats with the purpose to convey Pakistan’s point of view, and also that they should make the United States understand that we have sacrificed so much,” he said without naming the countries with which the discussions had taken place.

President Zardari, who made a rare appearance at a reception hosted by the Saudi Embassy to celebrate the Kingdom’s national day, spoke about Saudi support for Pakistan at critical junctures.

“Every difficult moment in our history has witnessed us standing together in mutual support and solidarity,” Mr Zardari was quoted in a statement issued by the presidency.

The media remained full of speculations about Saudi intervention in the dispute over the Haqqani network.

A team of Saudi counter-terrorism and security officials that reached Islamabad for participating in joint military exercises was mistaken as a group of intelligence officials that had flown in to talk with ISI chief Lt Gen Shuja Pasha on American allegations.

In a later twist it was said that Gen Pasha, following a Saudi message, dashed to Riyadh for continuing the talks. However, military spokesman Maj Gen Ather Abbas rejected the reports and said that Gen Pasha was in Islamabad and the visiting Saudi team was here for military exercises.

AFP adds: Pakistan will not launch an offensive against the Haqqani network despite Washington ramping up the pressure, an official said on Monday.

“I don’t think the indicators are as such,” a senior Pakistani security official told AFP when asked if the army was going to launch an operation in North Waziristan.

Instead, he said, the military needs to “consolidate gains” made against local militants who pose a security threat elsewhere in the tribal region.

The official said that troops were too busy countering cross-border attacks from Afghanistan and local Pakistani militants in other parts of the tribal belt to take on the Haqqanis. “These are kind of more pressing issues that we have to tackle. We have to consolidate the gains in Mohmand and in other tribal and north-western regions after a series of operations in these areas,” he said.

“As for North Waziristan, the army has at least five brigades there, which is enough to take care of the situation. There is a complete tribal structure in the region to help security forces deal with the militants and outlaws.”
 
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