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US Pakistan Arms Deal | neurope.eu


In the drawdown to the 2014 withdrawal of western troops from Afghanistan, complicated logistics are being worked out by countries which had deployed troops in Afghanistan.

Large volumes weapons of different specifications, ranging from heavy ones, including armoured vehicles, etc. are to be pulled out of the Afghanistan, posing a major logistic challenge.

Given the intricate issues involved in transporting these weapon systems into Afghanistan through Pakistan, their withdrawal would also cause immense difficulties.

Poor security conditions in areas along the Pak-Afghan border which have been the corridor for transportation of such arms and equipment may not be as safe for moving such items at this stage. A cost benefit of such operations are distinctly not favourable and therefore, the US, which has the largest consignment located in Afghanistan, has been looking for ways and means of disposing arms and equipment among countries in the region.

Pakistan has been the frontrunner in claiming such weapons and has been making desperate efforts to convince US officials at different levels to consider handing over of critical weapon systems to Pakistan. In this connection, during visit by senior Pak officials from the Army as well as the Foreign Ministry to the US, Pakistan has lobbied intensively to take over as many of these weapons as possible. This, no doubt, is a favourable deal for Pakistan since most weapons and equipment have been used and therefore, their costing could be reduced drastically by the owner country.

During discussions between Pakistan and the US on the matter, the Department of Defence has agreed to hand over weapons and equipment used specifically for anti-terror operations. However, the US has clarified that heavier weapons such as M1A1 Abrams armoured vehicles and Paradim self-propelled howitzers cannot be handed over due to the high power and capability of the weapon systems. This would also have a bearing on the Pak Army’s fire power vis-à-vis other countries (ostensibly India).

Among the items which have been identified for handing over to Pakistan are night vision devices (many have been handed over to Pakistan already), sniper pods, laser designators for the Pak Air Force needed for long range target detection and ground surveillance useful for anti-terror operations etc.

The weapon systems handed over also include counter-IED equipment and sophisticated explosive detectors, including buffalo explosives detection and disposal vehicles as well as combat radio sets and communication equipment, including electronic eves dropping equipment.

Significantly, the US has acceded to persistent Pak request for AMRAAM air-to-air missiles, sidewinder missiles and M-270 multiple launch rocket systems which fall in the category of weapons which are banned from being supplied to Pakistan by any European country or the US. In order to effect the supply of AMRAAM advanced air to air missiles, the US has worked a mechanism for handing over significant numbers of these missiles to Pakistan and Jordan even though they do not fit any counter-terrorism role. The modus operandi would be to do the paper work in a manner that they indicate sale of these weapons to Jordan (or Jordan being shown as the user country) while the missiles would be supplied to Pakistan. Likewise, the latest version of sidewinder air to air missiles (AIM9X), while not falling into the category of anti-terror weapon would be declared as meant for Jordan while it would actually be supplied to the PAF. The M270 multiple launch rocket system, around 150 of which are presently deployed in Afghanistan, would form part of the inventory of supplies to Pakistan through Jordan.

i have serious doubts about this report.....
 
With this huge 150 M270s MLRS inventories, still US can't win the wars against Talibans, lol. How can Pakistan win against terrorisms?

If 150 M270 MLRS will be delivered, obviously Pak won't use them against TTP when we have 122 mm Azar & KRL 122 ... We have an enemy piling up weapons ...

i have serious doubts about this report.....

buddy, this is a newspaper report .... Exactly, what the current speculations are ..

But, soon we may get another report from which we may conclude .... Pak is just getting nothing .... US is such a hypocrite :devil:

The weapon systems handed over also include counter-IED equipment and sophisticated explosive detectors, including buffalo explosives detection and disposal vehicles as well as combat radio sets and communication equipment, including electronic eves dropping equipment.

Very pleasant developments. Especially of the Buffalo EOD.

Are we getting more Buffalo EOD vehicles ??
 
There is no need to feel happy over some gloated used weapons..

Pakistani economy suck! Pakistani industrial sector suck! Pakistan is falling apart like crazy... PML(N) came back to power...

Seriously, I am just losing hope on Pakistan...while the rest of the world is advancing like crazy, Pakistanis are going backwards.
 
What does this mean through Jordan? Why can't it deliver to Pakistan from Afghanistan border in cost saving?

No, it is just standard rockets, US doesn't offer guided ATACMS missile.

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With this huge 150 M270s MLRS inventories, still US can't win the wars against Talibans, lol. How can Pakistan win against terrorisms?

We still excited, eh....

first of all -- our approach towards fighting COIN are different on the broader scheme of things

second of all -- it's either they hand over the stuff or it just gets destroyed...shipping it back is more expensive than replacing the stock altogether. Balls in their court and they opted to handover the stuff to PA, rather than the ANA who would probably mis-use and/or break the equipment within weeks and months
 
Don't believe the 150 MBRL thing,especially with guided rockets.Rest is nothing new.
One thing i find odd that article says aim-120 amraam is banned from sale to pakistan,yet pakistan was said to have ordered around 500...this places doubt in my mind.
 
Don't believe the 150 MBRL thing,especially with guided rockets.Rest is nothing new.
One thing i find odd that article says aim-120 amraam is banned from sale to pakistan,yet pakistan was said to have ordered around 500...this places doubt in my mind.

It can be advanced versions of AMRAAM as D and X ones.
 
There is a huge GAP between Intentions/announcements and reality, Guys.

We have heard this kind of BS before and in the end it turns out to be a hoax.

Word of advice to the excitable members " don't count your chickens before they are hatched ".... :D
 
Don't believe the 150 MBRL thing,especially with guided rockets.Rest is nothing new.
One thing i find odd that article says aim-120 amraam is banned from sale to pakistan,yet pakistan was said to have ordered around 500...this places doubt in my mind.

who says this item is banned - almost 250 of 500 order already delivered.


US military officials tell Business Standard that aircraft, heavy weapons, vehicles and equipment are likely to be repatriated to the US. Much of what Pakistan will benefit from will be ammunition, vehicles, construction material, air-conditioners, etc.
 
who says this item is banned - almost 250 of 500 order already delivered.



US military officials tell Business Standard that aircraft, heavy weapons, vehicles and equipment are likely to be repatriated to the US. Much of what Pakistan will benefit from will be ammunition, vehicles, construction material, air-conditioners, etc.

The article on one hand says amraams were banned till now,but its known that paf got amraams.So i have doubts.
Besides 150 MRLSs is MASSIVE.ATACMS rocket is even deadlier, USA total has about 1000 mrls,This would mean 15% of usarmy's stocks being donated.
Also aim-9x to pakistan was earlier denied,will usa give this missile to PAF knowing that samples will find their way to PLAAF and we will see a PLAAF copy soon...i very much doubt this.
 
i have serious doubts about this report.....

Agreed. It is possible that this report is written with mala fide intentions; primarily to forestall the possibility that US may consider handing over potent weapons such as AMRAAM, AIM9X and the M270 MRLS to Pakistan.

Let see if this actually happens before we start jumping with joy.
 
Agreed. It is possible that this report is written with mala fide intentions; primarily to forestall the possibility that US may consider handing over potent weapons such as AMRAAM, AIM9X and the M270 MRLS to Pakistan.

Let see if this actually happens before we start jumping with joy.

articles like NVG, ammo, some light skin vehicles, some armoured vehicles are possible transfers but not heavy war material.
 
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