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US Offers 2 Bn Dollars Military Aid to Pakistan

you are not mistaken
if and when pakistan does get the money it should clarify that how much of that is actually the reimbursment for what US actually owed and whatever is left out to be the so called aid to fight war on terror
the loss of life and loss of trade and damage to economy due to this war is way beyond the 2Bn that US is offering.
I am sure a lot of hurdles will be put in by the antiPakistan lobby before it is actually approved

the only option Pakistan has is to use it liverage regarding the NATO route and its on going fight with terrorists in tribal areas specially against those that US calls Haqani group

It not ideal way to work with partners but sadly USA has a history of abusing its so called relationships with Pakistan

I agree... the problem is that the western media is not showing it as reimbursement...

This money will eventually be approved... The Americans are acutely aware of the dangers if they openly antagonize Pakistan and specially its military... I d say get whatever we can from them... They owe it to us anyway...
 
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i think they are helping you in your own war on terror in your country.
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good point there. the issue is where they requested facilities, supply routes, men & material and then delayed payments which were agreed beforehand hence the frustration.

yes in the end its our war there is no doubting in that but payments due for usage of supply routes, airports and wharehouses etc should be termed as aid.
I didnt know if we can call our bill payments as aid to our electric supplier
 
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@Abu and Irfan: 'aid' means its not reimbursement for any expenses or usage of Pakistan's routes. as far as the fighting is concerned didn't we already hear it from your leaders that Pakistan is fighting for its own sake? But if you want dignity at the cost of accuracy then you consider the money as whatever it is that makes you feel better. I am sure the official records will have reimbursements and aid will have their proper heads
 
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U.S. Preps $2B in Gear For Pakistan



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30 BELL 412 utility helicopters were confirmed as part of the $2 billion security assistance package. Here, a Pakistan Army Bell 412 lands to drop off flood survivors in Bssera village near Muzaffargarh on August 11, 2010. (AFP)


ISLAMABAD - At last week's U.S-Pakistan strategic dialogue, officials discussed American military aid, counterinsurgency strategy and flood relief for Pakistan. It was, however, the mention of a $2 billion security assistance package that caught analysts' attention.

The package would be spread over five years, and includes "helicopters, weapons systems and equipment to intercept communications, Pakistan Army officials said, confirming initial reports by the APP and CNN.


Army spokesman Brig. Azmat Ali said negotiations were underway for "transport and attack" helicopters, but declined to provide further details. He said the package was "still in the stages of finalization. It will take some time."

U.S. defense officials at the embassy here declined to comment.

South Asia analyst Brian Cloughley said the only thing he was sure of "is that the assistance package will have conditions attached - although these may well be kept under the counter, and not publicized."

HELICOPTERS

The Pakistani army has long been short of utility helicopters and gunships. The need for attack helicopters is particularly keen, but Pakistan's attempts to get additional ones from the U.S. have not succeeded. Past efforts to obtain AH-64 Apaches have been rebuffed.

Defense officials at the U.S. embassy have discounted the possibility of acquiring AH-1Z Vipers to replace Pakistan's well-worn AH-1F Cobras until the initial order for the U.S. Marine Corps is fulfilled in 2015. The U.S. State Department's "Pakistan Assistance Strategy Report," published last December, raised the possibility of some Vipers being diverted to Pakistan.

Ali confirmed a recent order for 30 Bell 412 utility helicopters. The deal is in addition to and separate from the security package currently under negotiation.

Some doubt that the Bell 412 is suitable for Pakistani operations, which often take place at high altitudes and in warm climates.

Cloughley noted the Canadian military's problems in Afghanistan with its Canadian-built variant, the CH-146 Griffon, and the political debate over its suitability. But he concluded that the Bell 412 was a "good enough aircraft, but it has its limitations, especially in hot and dry" environments, and said, "On balance, the PA [Pakistan Army] could do worse."

The Army has made no public criticism of the Bell 412.

NEW GEAR

The military's need to disrupt communications was first publicly recognized in the initial campaigns against the Taliban in the Swat valley, where the inability to block the Taliban's FM radio propaganda broadcasts hindered operations.

That such equipment may be included in the U.S. aid package came as a surprise, however.


"It is my understanding that there is already a quantity of U.S.-supplied electronic equipment in service, especially in the field of [improvised explosive device] detection and neutralization," Cloughley said. "Intercept technology has also been provided, and I had thought that jammers were already in use."

The announcement of the package comes during a difficult time in U.S.-Pakistani relations, in the wake of a NATO crossborder incursion that resulted in the deaths of three Pakistani soldiers.

Washington wants to equip the Pakistan Army to eradicate Taliban hideouts in North Waziristan. However, the Army is still involved in flood relief operations, something the dialogue also addressed.

To clear the Taliban out of North Waziristan, the Pakistan Army would need from the U.S. "surplus/retired artillery guns and also smart artillery munitions," plus night-vision goggles "for infantry and helicopter pilots," said Usman Shabbir of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank.

The Bell 412, which has night-vision technology, has been used extensively by units such as the Special Operations Task Force (SOTF) during nocturnal operations. The SOTF was raised with American help to hunt for al-Qaida and Taliban elements along the Afghan-Pakistan border.

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U.S. Preps $2B in Gear For Pakistan - Defense News
 
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as for the moneys -- i already stated that I don't see it as aid money. It is reimbursement; much of it is still being with-held since month of March, if I am not mistaken

Your foreign minister called it help, assistence and generational investment into Pakistan's future.

Hardly sounds like reimbursement.
 
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Some ludicrous comments... May I remind all readers that Pakistan on many occasions has suffered heavily due to our uncompromising stance of friendship with America and keeping peace with India too... It was our nations hard earned wealth that the Americans took and kept for years in a deal for F16s and instead gave us back soybean (which we grow ourselves)...

No one is trying to make themselves feel good here... Let us deal with facts... Its a different matter altogether that the enemies of Pakistan want to show us in a negative and weak manner...
 
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I wonder if it is mostly the reimbursement for using it land for NATO supplies and use of its airports. Because funnily enough since the conflict started, Americans had been counting the money they owed to Pakistan for buying its fuel, using its warehouses and other facilities as “Aid” too. A fact that was picked up by anti Pakistan media which would quote the figures on every occasion relating to Pakistan.

Whereas the fact remains that all you could see was some second hand old Mi8 helicopters. Pakistan has been asking for gunships and night vision military equipment to use against the militants but that has been mostly ignored.
It remains to be seen if there is really some material aid or yet again a bill repayment.
I really wonder if my utility bill payment should also be considered as aid?

I am sure that the people who would be suffering from constipation after this above news will include former US ambassador to Afghanistan Zalmay Kalilzad, the Northern Alliance warlord General Fahim and the foul mouthed Abdullah Abdullah.

While your sarcastic remarks have not gone unheard, i would like to ask u a general question based on the post of yours and the points i picked up:

Do u mean to say that till now i.e. from the time that WOT started and till now Pakistan has been providing USA with free fuel and let them use your "warehouses"??

What do u mean by material aid?? and what is this repayment you are speaking of?? repayment for what??

I can understand the requirement of night goggles and other equipment as may be u are unable to provide to a major portion of Pakistani army with the best equipment.

The last remark of yours is even more unintelligable to me. Do u live in USA?? or was that sarcasm taken it to its borders??
 
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We want 2 billion in aid too....:undecided:

Yes, but since you sided with the USSR against the US and Nato from 1947 until the collapse of the USSR. Plus being friends with Russia and Iran will not get you $2 billion.

Apni harkatein dehko aur pher baat karoo.
 
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I agree... the problem is that the western media is not showing it as reimbursement...


because they dont want to, please please understand this
 
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Well, talks are failed. Corruption was biggest hurdle in talk failure. Then comes terrorism.Now even US govt doesn't trust this democratic setup. Things are on verge of collapse. PPP govt need next trench of IMF loan,so they need to impose more tax on people of Pakistan, where rest of rich class doesn't pay anything.
Now even the PPP ministers are in hard rock condition, how long they will ask for aid.
Its no doubt, this war on terror has crippled Pakistani economy. All rich class already flew with their cash and silver.
Now its US and Western countries responsibility to expose these people and adopt a law that non any third world country leader or top official transfer looted public money to their country. As long as Mr Zardari and Nawaz transfer money to UK banks, through system exploitation , UK govt is also responsible of all these financial turmoil and nothing would change.
 
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I fail to understand US didn't agreed to trust Zardari for flood relief aid but are always more than willing to trust very same Zardari while handing over billions in loan!!!

What does this tells us?

Imagine the nation itself didn't trusted these thieves for their personal money.

Why US ignore such facts and is willing to strengthen an unpopular group as representative of People?

I hope very much that next head of state reject every penny Zardari govt. has taken in shape of loan from international bank and foreign donors shall be rejected and termed as kick back to disintegrate Pakistan.
 
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Administration to ask for more Pakistan aid

By Karen DeYoung
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, October 23, 2010

The Obama administration will ask Congress to expand military aid to Pakistan, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Friday, announcing a five-year, $2 billion package that would increase current financing for weapons purchases by about one-third.

"The United States has no stronger partner when it comes to counterterrorism efforts against the extremists who threaten us both than Pakistan," Clinton said at the end of a meeting with top Pakistani officials in Washington.

News of the aid came as the Obama administration has moved to cut off assistance to individual Pakistani military units believed responsible for human rights abuses, including the summary execution of alleged insurgents.

The juxtaposition made for an awkward conclusion to the third "strategic dialogue" the administration has held with Pakistan this year as it tries to calibrate policy toward one of its most important allies in the Afghanistan war.

In a White House meeting Wednesday with the Pakistani delegation, including Gen. Ashfaq Kayani, the military chief of staff, President Obama praised Pakistan's efforts but said the United States expects a more robust offensive against al-Qaeda and Taliban sanctuaries in the tribal areas along Pakistan's border with Afghanistan.

Obama, according to U.S. and Pakistani officials, repeated a message that has been transmitted several times by the administration: If a terrorist attack on the United States is ever shown to have emanated from Pakistan, the U.S. government will be forced to respond.

The White House session was the centerpiece of the Pakistani visit here and was carefully choreographed to ensure that Obama would meet face to face with Kayani, seen as Pakistan's most powerful figure. Administration officials scheduled a session with the Pakistani delegation - officially headed by Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi - to be held in the Roosevelt Room and arranged for a presidential "drop-by" that lasted about 35 minutes.

Most of the aid increase announced by Clinton on Friday applies to the State Department-administered Foreign Military Financing program, which gives Pakistan funds to purchase U.S. military equipment. Pakistan receives about $300 million a year in FMF funds; the administration's new request would increase that figure to about $400 million annually for the next five years.

The Pakistani military has sought a multi-year guarantee that would match a five-year package of nonmilitary aid, totaling $7.5 billion, approved by Congress last year. The plan would allow Pakistan to increase U.S.-funded purchases of helicopters and other equipment it calls essential to its counterterrorism fight. Overall U.S. military aid to Pakistan this year totals about $2 billion.

Despite the administration's five-year guarantees, Congress must still authorize both the military and civilian funding in each year's budget, and lawmakers have expressed concern about expanding military aid amid questions about Pakistan's commitment to counterterrorism and repeated reports of human rights abuses by the Pakistani military.

"If there is going to be progress against al-Qaeda, we need the support of the Pakistani army," Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) said Friday. "But there is a lot of concern with extrajudicial killings by the army that remain unpunished, and this will be a factor when we consider a request for more aid. Respect for our law and the laws of war is fundamental."

Leahy heads the Appropriations subcommittee responsible for State Department funding. He is also the author of a 1997 law that requires the United States to vet the armed forces of countries receiving military aid and to withhold aid to specific units found responsible for human rights abuses. The "Leahy amendment" does not specify the size of a "unit" or require public notification of any cutoffs.

Human rights groups accused the Pakistani military of abuses in a counterterrorism offensive in the Swat Valley. Last month, a video surfaced on YouTube showing soldiers in Pakistani army uniforms firing at a half-dozen blindfolded prisoners. After the prisoners fell to the ground, one soldier walked among them and delivered coups de grace.

Kayani subsequently issued a directive saying that abuses would not be tolerated and launching an investigation of the acts depicted on the video. The results of that investigation are not known.

But the administration has told Congress in recent weeks that it has already withheld aid to about a half-dozen Pakistani military units that it determined had violated human rights rules. No details have been provided of the move, which was first reported Friday by the New York Times.

In Islamabad, Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas, a spokesman for the Pakistani army, said the army had not been told of any sanctions. "The problem is we don't have a formal communication from that side," Abbas said. "It is only through the media that we are learning this, and it would be inappropriate to respond until we get clarification."
He said the committee investigating the video, led by a two-star general, would soon issue a report.

"We have already declared a zero tolerance where such unlawful activities are concerned," Abbas said. "In the past, we've had a strict reaction to violations. The bottom line is that we must always carry the public opinion with us for a sustainable success and victory in these operations. Anything that can jeopardize public support is completely detrimental to our cause."
Administration to ask for more Pakistan aid
 
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No Predators in 2 billion package , the best weapon agaist WOT. I hope US will sell these to Pak Army in future.
 
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