US No Longer Has Resources to Start Full-Scale War Against Iran - Prof

[Fafnir]

You are only made to believe that by the Iranian propaganda machine. But it's so far from the truth that it's funny.

In a conventional war, only the Soviet Union had the ability to defeat the US.

The Iran of today is not even 1% as strong as the Nazis were during WW2. And the Americans were so much stronger than the Nazis even then, let alone today, and they were still weaker than the Soviets of the time. And this is when the Americans were fighting on multiple fronts.

The reality is even the militaries of India and China today are like flies compared to the US. Even China is 2 decades away when it comes to just putting up a fight, let alone defeat the US in a war. And India is at least 3 decades away.

As for Iran, it will never achieve the required strength to beat the US. In fact, you don't even qualify to put up a fight.

You guys can't even fathom that the $7T that the US spent in their wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is literally peanuts to them. There are many companies in the US that are literally ten or more times richer than Iran. Apple's quarterly revenues are twice as big as Iran's yearly revenues. Even Apple can raise an army and defeat the Iranian military, forget the US Government.

Really?,Apple?,so how would apple raise a big enough military force with the requisite troops/weapons and even more importantly the logistics,especially the logistics required to transport the said "Apple Armed Forces" or AAF to iran?.Frankly I think that even the us forces would have a rather difficult time of it in this respect especially if it was unable to use the gulfies infrastructure in order to stage and supply this fictional us iran invasion force,indeed without the gulfies I`d say the chances for a successful us invasion of iran would probably be 50/50 at best and I would hate to think of the losses it would incur just trying to achieve a beach head on iranian soil via an amphibious landing,which of course would be its only real option if it could not stage regionally.
I think you`re confusing $ with overall military power which frankly is pretty silly.Having money may allow you to acquire lots of weapons but it certainly doesnt guarantee that your military will actually be any good,a perfect example of this would be the gulf states,who despite having collectively spent hundreds of billions of $ on weapons are basically considered to be complete utter sh!t militarily and indeed one only has to look at their collective performance in yemen to see just how true this is,by comparison iran who spends far less is seen as a far more credible and dangerous threat militarily probably because its procurements match its military needs and strategies unlike the gulfies whos procurements look more like little kids in a toy store.Dollars are not by themselves a good indicator of military abilities or capabilities,they are simply one aspect,one link in a chain and you know what they say about a chain,yes its only as strong as its weakest link and think thats also true of militaries as well
The simple fact of the matter is that the iran of 2018 is not iraq in 1991 or 2003.An attempted invasion of iran would be an enormous undertaking militarily/politically and an enormous risk in every respect ie militarily,politically and economically.

 

[Fafnir]

They won all they set out to achieve each and every time they invaded any country. winning is not renaming the beaten country or ruling it directly.

I think the correct term you are looking for is a "pyrrhic victory",with iraq and afghanistan being literal text book examples of this trope,in addition iraq especially is also a very good example of "unintended consequences",of which there were many and none of them much good at all for western interests in the region.
As for your claim of "They won all they set out to achieve each and every time they invaded any country",well I would imagine that general douglas macarthur,kim il sung and chairman mao zedong might just disagree with that statement,indeed the intervention of china into the korean war was a perfect example of those "unintended consequences" that I mentioned earlier.

 

[Hack-Hook]

China's goal during that war was to prove that the USSR would not fight China to protect their ally.

But didn't the war prove that China can't protect it's ally from even Vietnam , and did Russia needed to enter the war ?
also I wonder if you really believe in 1979 your regular army could face USSR army in Siberia ?
how you wanted to protect your army from Russian bombardment in those open fields?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

But didn't the war prove that China can't protect it's ally from even Vietnam , and did Russia needed to enter the war ?
also I wonder if you really believe in 1979 your regular army could face USSR army in Siberia ?
how you wanted to protect your army from Russian bombardment in those open fields?

China was weak back then, we made a gamble that the much stronger USSR would not intervene against us.

The goal against Vietnam was not to occupy the country (which would be pointless) but as a limited punitive action over 3 weeks, while at the same time showing that China could scare off the USSR, which was the main objective.

China in fact seized territory from Vietnam during that war (several areas along the land border), and also seized the Paracel islands from them a few years later. Which they are still trying to take back today.

Just like the Korean War against the US + 16 of her allies combined, China gambled against a much stronger opponent. Betting that there was a limit to how much they could escalate.

The difference between China and Iran is that China was much poorer than Iran back then, much less developed, and we had to face not just the USA in combat but the USSR as well (such as during the Sino-Soviet clashes of 1969).

 

[randomradio]

Really?,Apple?,so how would apple raise a big enough military force with the requisite troops/weapons and even more importantly the logistics,especially the logistics required to transport the said "Apple Armed Forces" or AAF to iran?.Frankly I think that even the us forces would have a rather difficult time of it in this respect especially if it was unable to use the gulfies infrastructure in order to stage and supply this fictional us iran invasion force,indeed without the gulfies I`d say the chances for a successful us invasion of iran would probably be 50/50 at best and I would hate to think of the losses it would incur just trying to achieve a beach head on iranian soil via an amphibious landing,which of course would be its only real option if it could not stage regionally.
I think you`re confusing $ with overall military power which frankly is pretty silly.Having money may allow you to acquire lots of weapons but it certainly doesnt guarantee that your military will actually be any good,a perfect example of this would be the gulf states,who despite having collectively spent hundreds of billions of $ on weapons are basically considered to be complete utter sh!t militarily and indeed one only has to look at their collective performance in yemen to see just how true this is,by comparison iran who spends far less is seen as a far more credible and dangerous threat militarily probably because its procurements match its military needs and strategies unlike the gulfies whos procurements look more like little kids in a toy store.Dollars are not by themselves a good indicator of military abilities or capabilities,they are simply one aspect,one link in a chain and you know what they say about a chain,yes its only as strong as its weakest link and think thats also true of militaries as well
The simple fact of the matter is that the iran of 2018 is not iraq in 1991 or 2003.An attempted invasion of iran would be an enormous undertaking militarily/politically and an enormous risk in every respect ie militarily,politically and economically.

The Apple example is a joke. I was pointing out that even Apple is a whole lot richer than Iran.

 

[VEVAK]

Talking is cheap, why do you ask them to try?

Do you know why US dares not to do anything to North Korea? Because they are afraid of China, whenever they fight a war near China,be Korea or Vietnam, as long as China gets involved , they alwary lose.

China was defeated by Vietnam as well. And the Americans were happy with the result they achieved in Korea without bringing the Soviets in.

Most wars that America chose to fight were not done at war-footing. They simply fought wars that they could afford without having to make changes to their own economy.

What that means is they fought wars on a disposable income, not a war economy.



The diplomatic option is always the first option.



Regime change. That's the only American agenda for Iran. They don't need a war for that.

LOL! U.S. has been attempting regime change in Iran for 40 years! So at this point ONLY a DELUSIONAL person would think Regime Change in Iran without an all out war and invasion is even possible!

The foundation of the Islamic Republic is NOT in the hands of a handful of elite families where you can simply overthrow them and install new people it's with the IRGC and the IRGC is an elite well trained and equipped military force that specializes in Asymmetric Warfare that has also been mass produces it's own weapons and equipment for decades who also happens to command the volunteer Basij force that number in the Millions.
And yes they may fall under the command of Iran's Supreme Leader but with or without him the IRGC is not going anywhere and you can no more take out Iran's IRGC by taking out Iran's Supreme Leader than you could take out the U.S. military simply by taking out Trump!

 

[randomradio]

LOL! U.S. has been attempting regime change in Iran for 40 years! So at this point ONLY a DELUSIONAL person would think Regime Change in Iran without an all out war and invasion is even possible!

The foundation of the Islamic Republic is NOT in the hands of a handful of elite families where you can simply overthrow them and install new people it's with the IRGC and the IRGC is an elite well trained and equipped military force that specializes in Asymmetric Warfare that has also been mass produces it's own weapons and equipment for decades who also happens to command the volunteer Basij force that number in the Millions.
And yes they may fall under the command of Iran's Supreme Leader but with or without him the IRGC is not going anywhere and you can no more take out Iran's IRGC by taking out Iran's Supreme Leader than you could take out the U.S. military simply by taking out Trump!

Attempts at regime change happen during leadership transition. Wait for Khomeini to pass.

As for the US, Trump is only one gear in the entire US military machine. If you take out Trump, Pence will take over and nothing will change except another country gets bombed back to the 18th century.

 

[Fafnir]

The Apple example is a joke. I was pointing out that even Apple is a whole lot richer than Iran.

Yes,I know and I was simply pointing out the fallacy of your argument that $=military might.Apple may be richer than iran but it is not a sovereign state with its own armed forces.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

Why the EU countries do not support to cancel the deal while the USA, Arab Countries and Israel support has a relative reason(s).

I assure you will hate the Mullah regime when you figure out the reason(s).

 

[doorstar]

I think the correct term you are looking for is a "pyrrhic victory".....

I am not. If you believe that we made no profits and suffered losses equal to those countries, then I regret to say that you are beyond help.

 

[VEVAK]

Attempts at regime change happen during leadership transition. Wait for Khomeini to pass.

As for the US, Trump is only one gear in the entire US military machine. If you take out Trump, Pence will take over and nothing will change except another country gets bombed back to the 18th century.

LOL! Nothing but a delusion!
If it was that easy and If the U.S. had the people necessary in place to covertly or overtly take and hold Iran's top Leadership position then why wait? The U.S. has had the technology to covertly takeout anyone and make it look like a simple hart attack for well over a decade now! Iran's Supreme leaders is Old and has been sick for years this is nothing new!

And these absurd delusions are not much different than the delusions the U.S. had when Iran's last supreme leader was old and sick! And yet NOTHING happened and they proved to be nothing but delusions! Hence this is NOT Iran's 1st rodeo!

Fact is the Trump administration is filled with delusional foreign policy advisors that are so disconnected from the views of vast majority of Iranian that they attend MKO rallies that's how delusional Trump foreign policy advisors are FYI the MKO doesn't even have 0.1% support amongst people in Iran's top 5 most populated cities.
And you think these people have the knowledgebase and manpower required to bring regime change in Iran? LOL!

Why the EU countries do not support to cancel the deal while the USA, Arab Countries and Israel support has a relative reason(s).

I assure you will hate the Mullah regime when you figure out the reason(s).

The answer is quite clear! The EU has vast business interest in Iran everyone knows that, so what?

 

[randomradio]

LOL! Nothing but a delusion!
If it was that easy and If the U.S. had the people necessary in place to covertly or overtly take and hold Iran's top Leadership position then why wait? The U.S. has had the technology to covertly takeout anyone and make it look like a simple hart attack for well over a decade now! Iran's Supreme leaders is Old and has been sick for years this is nothing new!

And these absurd delusions are not much different than the delusions the U.S. had when Iran's last supreme leader was old and sick! And yet NOTHING happened and they proved to be nothing but delusions! Hence this is NOT Iran's 1st rodeo!

Fact is the Trump administration is filled with delusional foreign policy advisors that are so disconnected from the views of vast majority of Iranian that they attend MKO rallies that's how delusional Trump foreign policy advisors are FYI the MKO doesn't even have 0.1% support amongst people in Iran's top 5 most populated cities.
And you think these people have the knowledgebase and manpower required to bring regime change in Iran? LOL!



The answer is quite clear! The EU has vast business interest in Iran everyone knows that, so what?

Ever heard of Arab Spring?

The US simply waits for a sufficiently powerful opposition to spring up.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

The answer is quite clear! The EU has vast business interest in Iran everyone knows that, so what?

There are many reasons; however, the ones directly regarding the Mullah regime and the upmost interests of public and country are what should be figured out.

It is granted that you will hate and accuse the Mullahs of ''treachery''.

 

[Tokhme khar]

Yeah, we heard of the Arab spring, it only works in certain Arab countries.

Ever heard of Arab Spring?

The US simply waits for a sufficiently powerful opposition to spring up.

 

[WordsMatter]

LOL! Nothing but a delusion!
If it was that easy and If the U.S. had the people necessary in place to covertly or overtly take and hold Iran's top Leadership position then why wait? The U.S. has had the technology to covertly takeout anyone and make it look like a simple hart attack for well over a decade now! Iran's Supreme leaders is Old and has been sick for years this is nothing new!

And these absurd delusions are not much different than the delusions the U.S. had when Iran's last supreme leader was old and sick! And yet NOTHING happened and they proved to be nothing but delusions! Hence this is NOT Iran's 1st rodeo!

Fact is the Trump administration is filled with delusional foreign policy advisors that are so disconnected from the views of vast majority of Iranian that they attend MKO rallies that's how delusional Trump foreign policy advisors are FYI the MKO doesn't even have 0.1% support amongst people in Iran's top 5 most populated cities.
And you think these people have the knowledgebase and manpower required to bring regime change in Iran? LOL!



The answer is quite clear! The EU has vast business interest in Iran everyone knows that, so what?

I think it's safe to assume that the international community, great powers and rising ones including China, are more tied to America economically and politically than to IRI. They will not go out of their way to help IRI. Even Russia will not come to IRI's aid.
It may be hard for some to believe but "international relations are still based on power" rather than some fantastic notion of international law, "and within the current international system, America is still the dominant power, both economically and militarily". IRI's belief (hope really), including many of her supporters on this forum, that America is on the verge of collapse is just a fantasy. Add to that the fact that IRI's economic mismanagement has put Iran in a seriously dangerous position, given a restless and unhappy population, we will see more anger at IRI spilling into streets (US $ is trading at 7950 in Tehran). Within a short period IRI will be back bartering for goods and services. So someone explain how does America not have the resources to start a war with IRI? Because Trump just fired the first shot. Let's see who blinks first.