Hahhahaha don't worry bro the order of the lcs ships were deleted and now they got a new order of the ships and yes about 14 destroyers are on orders
http://cimsec.org/saudi-navy-expansion-program/18474
4 LCS based frigates, 6 Swiftships
Frigates alone over 11 billion.
https://news.usni.org/2016/05/18/new-saudi-frigate-design-details-emerge
Obtain info here
https://opvmiddleeast.iqpc.ae/saudi-naval-expansion-programme-ii-mc
Please tell me more about those 14 Arleigh Burkes!
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Well, there is already an indirect (sectarian?) war going on between Saudi and Iran, if it turns into a "hot war" that could spell enormous devastation for the region and the global economy. So hopefully they take it easy there.
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Defence Notes
Analysis: Saudi Arabia - A close customer (part 3 - maritime)
18th December 2016 - 12:00 by Tim Fish in London
We come to the last part on Saudi Arabia's defence relationship with the West, the maritime domain. This is less high profile than the land and air but naval platforms have a high dollar price tag and require just as significant an industrial relationship.
The Royal Saudi Navy is planning to procure new destroyers that have a ballistic missile defence capability as well as standard anti-air warfare role. US Navy Arleigh Burke-class destroyers from Huntington Ingalls are thought to be favoured although the smaller FREMM frigate from France and F-100 from Spain are also under consideration. A decision is expected in 2017.
In addition there are plans for new frigates to cover anti-submarine warfare (ASW) and anti-surface warfare (ASuW) roles in a programme announced in May. Several ships are required and initial plans saw the consideration of the purchase of four ships based on the Lockheed Martin design of the US Navy's Littoral Combat Ship. Although the offer was not accepted, negotiations will continue.
Vintage choice
The procurement programmes are part of a plan to replace the Royal Saudi Navy's 1980s vintage ships, which are also going through an upgrade. Other options on the table include the other US Navy LCS design from General Dynamics, the FREMM frigate that is built by French company DCNS for the French Navy and by Fincantieri for the Italian Navy. It is expected that Spanish shipbuilder Navantia will offer a variant of its F-100 frigate and Germany's ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems may offer one of its designs, probably the latest MEKO-class, which have been successfully exported in the past.
A mixture of ships is likely because the navy has two separate fleets in the Gulf (East) and the Red Sea (West). The foreign military sales (FMS) request for the Lockheed-variant LCS was confirmed in October with an overall project value of $11.25 billion for up to eight ships.
Another expensive piece of hardware and the most difficult to operate and sustain are submarines. Saudi Arabia has wanted to develop its underwater force for over a decade now but plans for six diesel-electrics attack boats that are suited for the shallow waters of the Gulf have not materialised. The main Western exporters of these types of submarine are ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems, DCNS, Navantia, Saab Kockums, and Fincantieri, although there could be options from China, Russia and South Korea.
Smaller ships like corvettes and offshore patrol vessels are cheaper and easier to acquire. As part of its Saudi Naval Expansion Programme II (SNEP II) the navy plans to replace its four Badr and nine Al Siddiq-class corvettes in its Eastern Fleet with five new ships for up to $3.5 billion. The main contender is thought to Navantia with its Avante-class corvettes with Spanish press reports stating that a contract is expected soon and that a second batch of five ships could come further down the line.
Plans for patrol boats seem to have progressed with German press reports in 2014 suggesting that the publicity shy shipbuilder Lurssen has secured a $1.7 billion project for 2-3 OPVs about 80m-long, with 5-10 coastal patrol boats and 100 other smaller patrol boats and interceptor craft, which are yet to be confirmed . However, the Saudi Border Guard has already received the first CSB 40 patrol vessel from Lurssen with the second underway. About 15-20 of these are expected. A competition for smaller 35-45m-long patrol vessels is underway between two joint ventures, DCNS with Piriou against OCEA with Raidco Marine. In addition, an FMS announced in 2013 has called for the procurement of 30 Mark V patrol boats with support worth $1.2 billion.
Into the 21st Century
Meanwhile the navy is going ahead with a number of upgrade programmes to keep its older vessels in service. Paris and Riyadh have agreed to upgrade the four Madina-class frigates and two Boraida-class replenishment ships with French firms DCNS, Thales and MBDA (which will integrate Mistral air defence missiles) with its Simbad launcher doing the work in Saudi Arabia. This includes enhancing the combat systems, sensors, and electronic systems as well as hull refurbishment with each ship to be be worth in excess of $100 million.
The four 70s vintage Badr-class corvettes are undergoing an upgrade in Saudi Arabia with US help after Tacoma Shipbuilders, where they were built in the 80s, shut down in 1992. The refit is taking place under a programme worth about $154.9 million confirmed through an FMS in February that will include the addition of Block 1B Baseline 2 upgrade kits from Raytheon for the Phalanx close-in weapon system as well as associated electro-optical systems, guns and other refurbishment work expected.
Looking ahead there is a requirement for 3-4 new minehunter vessels as the existing Al Jawf-class (ex-UK Royal Navy Sandown-class) ships are getting to the end of their life cycles and it is unclear if one of the three Al Riyadh-class frigates (modified La Fayette-class from DCNS), which was damaged following its delivery under the Sawari II programme in 2004 will be returned to service.
Shop or drop?
This analysis across the land, air and maritime domains has provided some insight into the importance of the Saudi Arabian defence market to the West and gives some example of the money involved and demostrates the close relationship between the country and Western governments and industry.
Their business keeps US and European shipyards open, manufacturing plants running and high tech industries moving because the Saudi Army, Air Force and Navy can all afford to buy the latest and most expensive military hardware available across the board – which is rare for an export customer.
With European defence expenditure continuing its downward spiral and exports become ever more essential to sustain its industry and workforces it is likely that this relationship will get closer rather than part ways.
https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defence-notes/hold-analysis-saudi-arabia-close-customer-part-3-m/
Source that please, if you would.
Analysis: Saudi Arabia - A close customer (part 3 - maritime)
18th December 2016 - 12:00 by Tim Fish in London
We come to the last part on Saudi Arabia's defence relationship with the West, the maritime domain. This is less high profile than the land and air but naval platforms have a high dollar price tag and require just as significant an industrial relationship.
The Royal Saudi Navy is planning to procure new destroyers that have a ballistic missile defence capability as well as standard anti-air warfare role. US Navy Arleigh Burke-class destroyers from Huntington Ingalls are thought to be favoured although the smaller FREMM frigate from France and F-100 from Spain are also under consideration. A decision is expected in 2017.
In addition there are plans for new frigates to cover anti-submarine warfare (ASW) and anti-surface warfare (ASuW) roles in a programme announced in May. Several ships are required and initial plans saw the consideration of the purchase of four ships based on the Lockheed Martin design of the US Navy's Littoral Combat Ship. Although the offer was not accepted, negotiations will continue.
Vintage choice
The procurement programmes are part of a plan to replace the Royal Saudi Navy's 1980s vintage ships, which are also going through an upgrade. Other options on the table include the other US Navy LCS design from General Dynamics, the FREMM frigate that is built by French company DCNS for the French Navy and by Fincantieri for the Italian Navy. It is expected that Spanish shipbuilder Navantia will offer a variant of its F-100 frigate and Germany's ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems may offer one of its designs, probably the latest MEKO-class, which have been successfully exported in the past.
A mixture of ships is likely because the navy has two separate fleets in the Gulf (East) and the Red Sea (West). The foreign military sales (FMS) request for the Lockheed-variant LCS was confirmed in October with an overall project value of $11.25 billion for up to eight ships.
Another expensive piece of hardware and the most difficult to operate and sustain are submarines. Saudi Arabia has wanted to develop its underwater force for over a decade now but plans for six diesel-electrics attack boats that are suited for the shallow waters of the Gulf have not materialised. The main Western exporters of these types of submarine are ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems, DCNS, Navantia, Saab Kockums, and Fincantieri, although there could be options from China, Russia and South Korea.
Smaller ships like corvettes and offshore patrol vessels are cheaper and easier to acquire. As part of its Saudi Naval Expansion Programme II (SNEP II) the navy plans to replace its four Badr and nine Al Siddiq-class corvettes in its Eastern Fleet with five new ships for up to $3.5 billion. The main contender is thought to Navantia with its Avante-class corvettes with Spanish press reports stating that a contract is expected soon and that a second batch of five ships could come further down the line.
Plans for patrol boats seem to have progressed with German press reports in 2014 suggesting that the publicity shy shipbuilder Lurssen has secured a $1.7 billion project for 2-3 OPVs about 80m-long, with 5-10 coastal patrol boats and 100 other smaller patrol boats and interceptor craft, which are yet to be confirmed . However, the Saudi Border Guard has already received the first CSB 40 patrol vessel from Lurssen with the second underway. About 15-20 of these are expected. A competition for smaller 35-45m-long patrol vessels is underway between two joint ventures, DCNS with Piriou against OCEA with Raidco Marine. In addition, an FMS announced in 2013 has called for the procurement of 30 Mark V patrol boats with support worth $1.2 billion.
Into the 21st Century
Meanwhile the navy is going ahead with a number of upgrade programmes to keep its older vessels in service. Paris and Riyadh have agreed to upgrade the four Madina-class frigates and two Boraida-class replenishment ships with French firms DCNS, Thales and MBDA (which will integrate Mistral air defence missiles) with its Simbad launcher doing the work in Saudi Arabia. This includes enhancing the combat systems, sensors, and electronic systems as well as hull refurbishment with each ship to be be worth in excess of $100 million.
The four 70s vintage Badr-class corvettes are undergoing an upgrade in Saudi Arabia with US help after Tacoma Shipbuilders, where they were built in the 80s, shut down in 1992. The refit is taking place under a programme worth about $154.9 million confirmed through an FMS in February that will include the addition of Block 1B Baseline 2 upgrade kits from Raytheon for the Phalanx close-in weapon system as well as associated electro-optical systems, guns and other refurbishment work expected.
Looking ahead there is a requirement for 3-4 new minehunter vessels as the existing Al Jawf-class (ex-UK Royal Navy Sandown-class) ships are getting to the end of their life cycles and it is unclear if one of the three Al Riyadh-class frigates (modified La Fayette-class from DCNS), which was damaged following its delivery under the Sawari II programme in 2004 will be returned to service.
Shop or drop?
This analysis across the land, air and maritime domains has provided some insight into the importance of the Saudi Arabian defence market to the West and gives some example of the money involved and demostrates the close relationship between the country and Western governments and industry.
Their business keeps US and European shipyards open, manufacturing plants running and high tech industries moving because the Saudi Army, Air Force and Navy can all afford to buy the latest and most expensive military hardware available across the board – which is rare for an export customer.
With European defence expenditure continuing its downward spiral and exports become ever more essential to sustain its industry and workforces it is likely that this relationship will get closer rather than part ways.
https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defence-notes/hold-analysis-saudi-arabia-close-customer-part-3-m/
Its not in here: http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales.
Source that please, if you would.
They bought the patrol boats but the rest was a "not sure" and has ended in a "no order"Defence Notes
Analysis: Saudi Arabia - A close customer (part 3 - maritime)
18th December 2016 - 12:00 by Tim Fish in London
We come to the last part on Saudi Arabia's defence relationship with the West, the maritime domain. This is less high profile than the land and air but naval platforms have a high dollar price tag and require just as significant an industrial relationship.
The Royal Saudi Navy is planning to procure new destroyers that have a ballistic missile defence capability as well as standard anti-air warfare role. US Navy Arleigh Burke-class destroyers from Huntington Ingalls are thought to be favoured although the smaller FREMM frigate from France and F-100 from Spain are also under consideration. A decision is expected in 2017.
In addition there are plans for new frigates to cover anti-submarine warfare (ASW) and anti-surface warfare (ASuW) roles in a programme announced in May. Several ships are required and initial plans saw the consideration of the purchase of four ships based on the Lockheed Martin design of the US Navy's Littoral Combat Ship. Although the offer was not accepted, negotiations will continue.
Vintage choice
The procurement programmes are part of a plan to replace the Royal Saudi Navy's 1980s vintage ships, which are also going through an upgrade. Other options on the table include the other US Navy LCS design from General Dynamics, the FREMM frigate that is built by French company DCNS for the French Navy and by Fincantieri for the Italian Navy. It is expected that Spanish shipbuilder Navantia will offer a variant of its F-100 frigate and Germany's ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems may offer one of its designs, probably the latest MEKO-class, which have been successfully exported in the past.
A mixture of ships is likely because the navy has two separate fleets in the Gulf (East) and the Red Sea (West). The foreign military sales (FMS) request for the Lockheed-variant LCS was confirmed in October with an overall project value of $11.25 billion for up to eight ships.
Another expensive piece of hardware and the most difficult to operate and sustain are submarines. Saudi Arabia has wanted to develop its underwater force for over a decade now but plans for six diesel-electrics attack boats that are suited for the shallow waters of the Gulf have not materialised. The main Western exporters of these types of submarine are ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems, DCNS, Navantia, Saab Kockums, and Fincantieri, although there could be options from China, Russia and South Korea.
Smaller ships like corvettes and offshore patrol vessels are cheaper and easier to acquire. As part of its Saudi Naval Expansion Programme II (SNEP II) the navy plans to replace its four Badr and nine Al Siddiq-class corvettes in its Eastern Fleet with five new ships for up to $3.5 billion. The main contender is thought to Navantia with its Avante-class corvettes with Spanish press reports stating that a contract is expected soon and that a second batch of five ships could come further down the line.
Plans for patrol boats seem to have progressed with German press reports in 2014 suggesting that the publicity shy shipbuilder Lurssen has secured a $1.7 billion project for 2-3 OPVs about 80m-long, with 5-10 coastal patrol boats and 100 other smaller patrol boats and interceptor craft, which are yet to be confirmed . However, the Saudi Border Guard has already received the first CSB 40 patrol vessel from Lurssen with the second underway. About 15-20 of these are expected. A competition for smaller 35-45m-long patrol vessels is underway between two joint ventures, DCNS with Piriou against OCEA with Raidco Marine. In addition, an FMS announced in 2013 has called for the procurement of 30 Mark V patrol boats with support worth $1.2 billion.
Into the 21st Century
Meanwhile the navy is going ahead with a number of upgrade programmes to keep its older vessels in service. Paris and Riyadh have agreed to upgrade the four Madina-class frigates and two Boraida-class replenishment ships with French firms DCNS, Thales and MBDA (which will integrate Mistral air defence missiles) with its Simbad launcher doing the work in Saudi Arabia. This includes enhancing the combat systems, sensors, and electronic systems as well as hull refurbishment with each ship to be be worth in excess of $100 million.
The four 70s vintage Badr-class corvettes are undergoing an upgrade in Saudi Arabia with US help after Tacoma Shipbuilders, where they were built in the 80s, shut down in 1992. The refit is taking place under a programme worth about $154.9 million confirmed through an FMS in February that will include the addition of Block 1B Baseline 2 upgrade kits from Raytheon for the Phalanx close-in weapon system as well as associated electro-optical systems, guns and other refurbishment work expected.
Looking ahead there is a requirement for 3-4 new minehunter vessels as the existing Al Jawf-class (ex-UK Royal Navy Sandown-class) ships are getting to the end of their life cycles and it is unclear if one of the three Al Riyadh-class frigates (modified La Fayette-class from DCNS), which was damaged following its delivery under the Sawari II programme in 2004 will be returned to service.
Shop or drop?
This analysis across the land, air and maritime domains has provided some insight into the importance of the Saudi Arabian defence market to the West and gives some example of the money involved and demostrates the close relationship between the country and Western governments and industry.
Their business keeps US and European shipyards open, manufacturing plants running and high tech industries moving because the Saudi Army, Air Force and Navy can all afford to buy the latest and most expensive military hardware available across the board – which is rare for an export customer.
With European defence expenditure continuing its downward spiral and exports become ever more essential to sustain its industry and workforces it is likely that this relationship will get closer rather than part ways.
https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defence-notes/hold-analysis-saudi-arabia-close-customer-part-3-m/
Source that please
Or was deleted
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Scratching it as it is , Israel and the Senate won't allow f35 saleThis must've been going on way before Trump started complaining about Saudi Arabia needing to pay for US' military umbrella protection. I don't think a deal that included a list of this magnitude, along with THAAD was something that was put together right after Trump's recent gabbling about Saudia needing to pay more.
Either way, very impressive contract. Saudi Arabia should make the US include the F-35 in a deal this big. Take it or leave it!
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"Defense News reported Jun. 13, 2011 that Saudi Arabia was contemplating the acquisition of new DDG 51 Arleigh Burke-class Aegis destroyers that could be fitted with ballistic missile defense (BMD) capability. The U.S. Navy was reported to have briefed Saudi officials in late May on the capabilities of the destroyers, which would be far more powerful than any ship currently in the Kingdom's service. Saudis were said to be considering purchasing two destroyers plus an undetermined number of LCS vessels."
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/gulf/rsnf-modernization.htm
2014: The recent (and very low profile) announcement by the U.S. Department of Defense of a Foreign Military Sale (FMS) of MK 41 Vertical Launching Systems (VLS) to Saudi Arabia could possibly be an indication of the procurement of Littoral Combat Ships or DDG-51 type (Burke class) Destroyers by the Royal Saudi Navy.... The Royal Saudi Navy currently does not have any surface vessel fitted with MK 41 VLS....Reuters and other U.S. media have been reporting since around 2011 that Saudi Arabia was evaluating both Lockheed Martin's LCS and General Dynamics' DDG-51 Destroyers. MK 41 VLS may be fitted on either type of vessel. (Likewise the French press have been reporting for the past few years that France's main shipyard DCNS is negotiating a large contract dubbed "Sawari 3". This contract may answer a different Royal Saudi Navy need however as in addition to 6 FREMM frigates, the contract is reported to involve 6 submarines.)
http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...e-purchase-of-lcs-or-ddg-by-saudi-arabia.html
https://news.usni.org/2015/02/19/in...s-naval-sale-to-saudi-arabia-picking-up-steam
SNEP2 related Related
https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/...-2017-malaysia-could-train-saudi-submariners/
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/year-2013-news/august-2013-navy-world-naval-forces-maritime-industry-technology-news/1222-dcns-thales-mbda-win-billion-euro-defense-contract-to-upgrade-royal-saudi-navy-vessels.html
http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...saudi-arabia-for-5-avante-2200-corvettes.html
http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...rigate-proposal-for-the-royal-saudi-navy.html
http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...oject-22160-patrol-ships-to-saudi-arabia.html
http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...-to-procure-6-fremm-frigates-from-france.html
http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...re-than-100-patrol-boats-to-saudi-arabia.html
http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...-receive-30-mark-v-patrol-boats-from-usa.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/gulf/rsnf-modernization.htm
2014: The recent (and very low profile) announcement by the U.S. Department of Defense of a Foreign Military Sale (FMS) of MK 41 Vertical Launching Systems (VLS) to Saudi Arabia could possibly be an indication of the procurement of Littoral Combat Ships or DDG-51 type (Burke class) Destroyers by the Royal Saudi Navy.... The Royal Saudi Navy currently does not have any surface vessel fitted with MK 41 VLS....Reuters and other U.S. media have been reporting since around 2011 that Saudi Arabia was evaluating both Lockheed Martin's LCS and General Dynamics' DDG-51 Destroyers. MK 41 VLS may be fitted on either type of vessel. (Likewise the French press have been reporting for the past few years that France's main shipyard DCNS is negotiating a large contract dubbed "Sawari 3". This contract may answer a different Royal Saudi Navy need however as in addition to 6 FREMM frigates, the contract is reported to involve 6 submarines.)
http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...e-purchase-of-lcs-or-ddg-by-saudi-arabia.html
https://news.usni.org/2015/02/19/in...s-naval-sale-to-saudi-arabia-picking-up-steam
SNEP2 related Related
https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/...-2017-malaysia-could-train-saudi-submariners/
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/year-2013-news/august-2013-navy-world-naval-forces-maritime-industry-technology-news/1222-dcns-thales-mbda-win-billion-euro-defense-contract-to-upgrade-royal-saudi-navy-vessels.html
http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...saudi-arabia-for-5-avante-2200-corvettes.html
http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...rigate-proposal-for-the-royal-saudi-navy.html
http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...oject-22160-patrol-ships-to-saudi-arabia.html
http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...-to-procure-6-fremm-frigates-from-france.html
http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...re-than-100-patrol-boats-to-saudi-arabia.html
http://www.navyrecognition.com/inde...-receive-30-mark-v-patrol-boats-from-usa.html
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Avante is not on the table anymore and they got an order for the destroyers first are 6 of them with 8 more
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Does this mean they decided to buy US instead of Turkish corvettes?
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Arleigh Burkes? As in 10,000 ton destroyer (versus a 2,500 ton Avante)?
No less than 14 (as in compared to 3 with the South Korean Navy with 3 more to come, and 4+2 with the Japanse navy)?
- JMSDF 50,800 personnel, 154 ships of which 19 Submarine, 4 'Helicopter destroyer', 26 Destroyer, 10 Small destroyer, 6 Destroyer escort, 3 Landing Ship Tank, 30 Minesweeper, 6 Patrol vessel, 8 Training ship
- ROKN 70,000 active duty personnel (incl. 29,000 Marines), 160 ships of which 15 submarines 12 destroyers, 13 frigates, 16 corvettes, 86 patrol craft, 12 amphibious warfare ships, 10 mine warfare ships
- Saudi navy 72,500 total personnel (50,000 Officers & sailors, 22,500 Marines), 300+ ships, of which 7 frigates (all under 5000 tons), 4 corvettes (1000 tons) and 9 patrol boats (500 tons), 3 mcm ships.
It was believed the Saudis intended to order two new British-built Type 45 destroyers,[11] however production of the destroyers came to an end with no order made. Another destroyer that the Saudis are considering is the American built Arleigh Burke-class destroyer, having been briefed by the US Navy in May 2011 on the acquisition of two destroyers in a package that also includes an unknown number of Littoral Combat Ships.[12]
[11]The Independent, "UK seeks £2bn Saudi destroyer contract" By Michael Harrison, 9 March 2007
[12]Defense News, "Saudi Arabia Mulling BMD-Capable Destroyers" By Christopher P. Cavas , 13 June 2011
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Saudi_Navy#cite_note-11
Again, please source this.
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Thanks Hürsit.
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US doesn't produce/sell corvettes.
Yes, but the first batch are 6 with 8 more
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