US moves to harness India to anti-China “pivot”

[sparexenith]

China is trying to gain control in IOR through my country which is Maldives. Does this not concern India?

 

[Sam.]

China is trying to gain control in IOR through my country which is Maldives. Does this not concern India?

Not at all as we have measures in place but what do you think about it?

 

[sparexenith]

Not at all as we have measures in place but what do you think about it?

I for one would like Maldives to remain in Indian camp as we have done for many years. But now everything in Maldives is about China. All you hear in the news is China this, China that, all propaganda turning the population in favor of China and one day giving China a base here. One island everyone were relocated and than Island is now given to China. Economical gains was the story but who knows for now it may be. All the government institutions are working very closely with China on different levels thus creating strong governmental and people to people relations.

 

[Shankranthi]

I for one would like Maldives to remain in Indian camp as we have done for many years. But now everything in Maldives is about China. All you hear in the news is China this, China that, all propaganda turning the population in favor of China and one day giving China a base here. One island everyone were relocated and than Island is now given to China. Economical gains was the story but who knows for now it may be. All the government institutions are working very closely with China on different levels thus creating strong governmental and people to people relations.

Money Talks, Bull $hit walks.

Sushma Swaraj needs to step up her game.

 

[Sam.]

I for one would like Maldives to remain in Indian camp as we have done for many years. But now everything in Maldives is about China. All you hear in the news is China this, China that, all propaganda turning the population in favor of China and one day giving China a base here. One island everyone were relocated and than Island is now given to China. Economical gains was the story but who knows for now it may be. All the government institutions are working very closely with China on different levels thus creating strong governmental and people to people relations.

It's bad for inviting foreigners in security matters. However relation should be better on economic front so we will see how it goes but this matters always bring civil war and nothing else as you see around the world.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

I would agree with you on the conclusion, but not for the reason you stated. Otherwise you can't explain why Chinese companies are actively involved in India's infrastructure projects. Helping our enemies get stronger so they can increase their war potential?

The Chinese companies, like every other multi-national company, are there in India for profits and growth. Not to strengthen India nor to weaken it!

The companies world over, will chase it wherever they see opportunities to make money (barring sanctions - a la US style!).

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Its rather obvious that China has consistently worked to undermine our interests. But they have also followed a policy of not interfering directly in our affairs and THAT is to be applauded. Both India and China strictly followed the Panchasheel policies.

The same is NOT true for US, UK or Russia. So by those parameters China is more trustworthy.

Your whole premise that China hasn't interfered in Indian affairs in rather questionable. Secondly, the Chinese have propped up Pakistan specifically to do their dirty work, so then why do they even need to interfere directly?

Moreover, isn't vetoing the UN resolutions by China against the LeT dogs across the border, not interfering enough in Indian security interests? What about China propping Pakistani military with Nuclear weapons/missiles knowing fully well who the Pakistanis will use it against? What about propping up Nepali communists/maoists against India? There are countless examples of Chinese interference, you just have to look!

Being the next door neighbors that share literally thousands of miles of porous and treacherous borders, Chinese can interfere far more intensely in Indian affairs than anything that the US/UK/Russia could ever hope to do!

The whole world is competing for resources and China is not exception. Its absurd to hold that out against them. This POV can be safely discarded.

Nobody in the world has a matching appetite for resources and markets as a resource-hungry India right now! With Indian population set to overtake that of China in the coming decades, it is only going to intensify!

The many instances of Indian oil/energy companies getting into direct competition with their Chinese counterparts in remote resource-rich regions of the world, are not mere coincidences.

China does not settle the border dispute with India for the same reason India does not settle the dispute with Pakistan. There is NO Compelling reason to do so. They status quo works in our respective favour.

Your comparison with Pakistan border dispute is fundamentally flawed!

India hasn't settled Kashmir dispute with Pakistan NOT because India wanted it that way. It is because Pakistan is not satisfied with the portion of Kashmir it has occupied - it wants the whole region of Kashmir!

Unless you suggest India to vanquish Kashmir to Pakistanis, there won't be any border settlement! It is that SIMPLE!

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Its rather obvious that China has consistently worked to undermine our interests. But they have also followed a policy of not interfering directly in our affairs and THAT is to be applauded. Both India and China strictly followed the Panchasheel policies.

The same is NOT true for US, UK or Russia. So by those parameters China is more trustworthy.

CHINA HELPED PAKISTAN BLOCK INDIA's nsg membership bid: Aziz

 

[Shankranthi]

Your whole premise that China hasn't interfered in Indian affairs in rather questionable. Secondly, the Chinese have propped up Pakistan specifically to do their dirty work, so then why do they even need to interfere directly?

So you admit they do not interfere directly.

It would be absurd not to expect them to have friendly relations with pakistan. Even the US has friendly relations with pakistan. In fact both China and the US were responsible for delivering Nukes to pakistan.

So how do you choose between the two devils (or the deep sea) ?

Moreover, isn't vetoing the UN resolutions by China against the LeT dogs across the border, not interfering enough in Indian security interests? What about China propping Pakistani military with Nuclear weapons/missiles knowing fully well who the Pakistanis will use it against? What about propping up Nepali communists/maoists against India? There are countless examples of Chinese interference, you just have to look!

Being the next door neighbors that share literally thousands of miles of porous and treacherous borders, Chinese can interfere far more intensely in Indian affairs than anything that the US/UK/Russia could ever hope to do!

Again even the US has vetoed resolutions against pakistan. More than once. Same for nukes.

It is foolish to blame China for the rise of communism in Nepal ..... what next ? blame china for communism in India ? Communism is an ideology that find MANY takers in poor nations and Nepal is one of the poorest nations in the world. It is outright childish to blame China for that.

Again India has interfered in Nepal internal matters FAR more than the chinese quoting our traditional ties. So here again we cannot blame china.

The Final argument that just because china has thousands of miles of porus borders and that means they "can" interfere in India is just ABSURD. India has millions of Muslims, does that mean India "can" export terrorists or will have massive terrorism ? I don't even know how to respond to such illogical boogyman.

Rather than ask me to look, why don't you take a deep breath and try to see what should be obvious ?

Nobody in the world has a matching appetite for resources and markets as a resource-hungry India right now! With Indian population set to overtake that of China in the coming decades, it is only going to intensify!

The many instances of Indian oil/energy companies getting into direct competition with their Chinese counterparts in remote resource-rich regions of the world, are not mere coincidences.

Again a foolish and ignorant assumption.

Indian consumption of resources is FAR FAR less than rest of the nations in the world. Be it US, Europe, China or Japan. India cannot even provide enough clean water IN INDIA to people in India and you are talking about providing global resouces to Indian population

We do compete with others for resources, but we are also one of the largest exporter of RAW materials in the world. So much for our concern for resources.

Your comparison with Pakistan border dispute is fundamentally flawed!

India hasn't settled Kashmir dispute with Pakistan NOT because India wanted it that way. It is because Pakistan is not satisfied with the portion of Kashmir it has occupied - it wants the whole region of Kashmir!

Unless you suggest India to vanquish Kashmir to Pakistanis, there won't be any border settlement! It is that SIMPLE!

Actually the comparison is spot on. Just replace "kashmir" with Tibet. (or south Tibet ).

India too is not satisfied with the portion of kashmir and Arunachal it has occupied. It claims more. THAT is why we see Chinese patrolling "inside Indian territories".

Ignorance is not always bliss.

CHINA HELPED PAKISTAN BLOCK INDIA's nsg membership bid: Aziz

So what ? If we wanted China's support, we should be prepared to give something in exchange

What have we offered them ?

 

[mike2000 is back]

I dont understand why people here are arguing that india should remain neutral, ally with the U.S, or be a partner to China. Etc.

The thing PEOPLE forget to mention here is :INTERESTS
If it will serve Indias strategic and security interests to ally with the U.S then India will definitely do so. If not then she wont. Simple as that.
I said this before , we all know there are no friends only permanent interests in geopolitics. China prior to the communist take over before and during the second world war was the strongest ally of the U.S /U.K /western powers in Asia. In fact even after the communist take over, China still became a strong ally to the west during the sino Soviet split in the late 70s against the Soviet Union and its allies. All these was obviously not because the Chinese love the west/U.S per se, but simply because it was in their interests to do so. Plus it did serve them well.

So if India's policy/decision-makers think their country's interests will be better serve by allying/being close/friendly to western powers, then India will definitely ally with the west. If not they will remain neutral. Full stop.

 

[SrNair]

lol, it may have sounded silly, but similar situation had happened to Finland during the height of cold war. For which the finnes allowing both US/NATO and Soviet Russia to dock in their port, also, Finland was an arms purchaser of Soviet Russia during that time until Finland Joined EU in 1995.

This is the price to pay if you are non-aligned, you either not allow access to anybody, or you either allow access to everybody. The US will not ask India for exclusive access for Indian Port infrastructure in Indian Ocean, because A.) It have nothing to do with SCS, B.) They have already have enough access in IOR. So for the US, the only thing they really wanted is for India to reciprocate this to the Chinese.

What US wanted for India is to stay out of the region and stayed neutral, Indian involvement as a third party (If India decided so) would not only complicate the issue in SCS, but also would limit US deployment in the region. That's the point.

Still you didnt get it .Right ??
China is our strategic enemy man ,we wont allow Chinese even nearer to our facilities.

India will remain neutral if that serves our permanent national interest and if any type of involvement serves same we will also do that.
We have our own policy and noone can change that unless ourselves

 

[Shankranthi]

I think he meant like the Israeli type borders.

What the hell are you talking about ?

That is exactly what India has done to the border with pakistan.

 

[Shankranthi]

I cant post link but please google "Govt mulls Israel-type fencing along Pakistan border" January 24, 2016

India Asks for Israeli Fence Technology
Sunday, January 24, 2016

have a good day

That is for putting underground sensors, heat seekers, night vision sensors and surveillance equipments. Not for the Fence itself.

 

[axisofevil]

Your question is a Logical Fallacy. You cannot prove a Negative.

You are asking me to provide Evidence of Absence.

It is for you to prove that China has interfered directly in our internal affairs.

Im bringing it up coz there is evidence of China meddling in our backyard

 

[damiendehorn]

Its all integrated with the fence right?. that is the reason why i posted Israel type fence.

No the tech india wants are, thermal and motion sensors. Israel has some of the best thermal tech around, that can detect warm a bodied subject from huge distance and motion detection equipment and ground penetrating radar to find tunnels. In addition india also wants the israelis to provide their expreience in border management.

The problem is you can have all the tech in the world, but none of that will beat, good old humint.