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US 'may ease' export restrictions against Myanmar and Vietnam

I don't believe so - just close cooperation (before Pol Pot's notorious actions - that are mostly the product of American policy, anyway) that doesn't mean China should sit back and allow the Vietnamese to create an empire on the bones of Cambodians.

You helped Khmer Rouge, not Cambodia ... that's 2 separated aspects.
Pol Pot ever flied to Beijing to report to China leaders in 1977

Vietnam kicked Khmer Rouge out of Cambodia ... and stay to make sure Khmer Rouge cannot return ...
We left when make sure new Cambodia govt. could stand before Khmer Rouge revenge ...
Nowaday Cambodia develop on what we restore them to life ...

US, UN, China support to Cambodia ruled by Khmer Rouge ... are wrong and guilty.
 
nobody cares of what you trungcong think... keep crying.

I like to see these thngs happening in vietcongs faster and sooner than ever, just like india - on the road to becoming the no 1 or 2 arms importer of the world and also breaking your banks for them at the same time - just like india

bs...Pol Pot learned from his master Mao Zedong: the cultural destruction. Just he made things on a more destructive scale than communist China.

why did you feel obliged to stop Vietnam? when are you going to stop Russia from annexing the Crimea?

I think the vietcongs are masters of those:
Yes you have admitted your atrocities invading your neigbours and we were rightfullly and victoriously giving you warmongers very hard lessons
Crimea belongs to the Russians
Cambodia and Laos belong to Cambodians and Laotians respectively. The territories do not belong to vietcongs, the greedy invader!
 
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These two Cham Muslims, Hassan A Kasem and Suleiman Idres offer a damning indictment.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/SEA-02-091013.html

Vietnam's hidden hand in Cambodia's impasse
By Hassan A Kasem

Most Khmer citizens fail to fathom the depths of the ongoing subterfuge. Many have conveniently chosen ignorance over truth, as is common among traumatized populations in post-conflict societies. Western audiences, including the international donor community that continues to bankroll the CPP's corrupt and compromised tenure, should be less easily forgiven for turning a blind eye to Vietnam's still strong command over the country.

Some in the West saw Vietnam as a magnanimous liberator in 1979, an occupying army that rescued Cambodia from the radical Khmer Rouge regime's massacre of its own people. But Hanoi's use of force turned a difficult situation to its geopolitical advantage, putting an end to the Khmer Rouge regime's nationalistic stance vis-a-vis Vietnam, including its combative insistence on resolutions to border disputes held over from the French colonial era.

Hanoi's invasion and occupation with over 200,000 troops under the direction of communist revolutionary, politician and diplomat Le Duc Tho further weakened a nation reeling from the anti-communist war and Khmer-on-Khmer death and destruction. A number of brave revolutionary leaders who fell from grace at Hanoi's behest, including ex-prime minister Pen Sovann, have claimed Vietnamese troops deliberately looted and plundered national treasures and wealth during the invasion. Those installed into power by Hanoi, including incumbent prime minister Hun Sen, subsequently brushed off the theft as a mere war casualty.

To some Khmers, including many opposition politicians attached to the aptly named Cambodian National Rescue Party (CNRP), Hanoi is able to maintain its grip on Cambodia through its historical ties to Hun Sen and the CPP. CNRP members have not spoken without substantiation, feeling it would be morally wrong to exchange denial of truth for peace and power-sharing. The late King Norodom Sihanouk, for instance, said pointedly at a Paris meeting with his compatriots in early 1990 that, "it's meaningless to accept peace without independence, sovereignty and dignity".

The case of the fallen Champa

The case of the fallen Champa
Written by Suleiman Idres Bin
Monday, 12 September 2011 23:36

For quite a very long time, the world leaders have forgot Champa, and no ordinary people know anything about what has happened to Champa. By virtues of modern technologies, the history of the fallen Champa is now being revealed in the media networks and has attached worldwide attentions. The Champa’s history is the worst of all the world histories. The Champa’s enemy destroyed the whole country and everything it contained, massacred all its population, annihilated all its indigenous

races and wiped out all the country’s boundaries. The Champa’s declared enemy is the north Vietnam, the Champa’s country is the so called central and South Vietnam and the Champa’s population and indigenous races are the Cham, Jarai, Radhe, Chru, Koho, Mnong Maa, Bahnar, Sedang, Cham Hroi and Stieng...Etc. The North Vietnam conquered the entire Champa’s territories and committed genocides on its whole population in order to expand land from North-Viet to south-Viet. The so-called central-Viet and south-Viet did not exist before the first half of 18th century. There is nothing left for the Champa’s survivors now but the conquered country itself which is absolutely priceless. The total number of the Champa’s living people today is estimated 1.5 million half of which live in Cambodia.

It is a phenomenon that Champa was found by its indigenous people with a multiplicity of races and tribes. All of these people today are the progeny of their Champa’s ancestors living in their own country without their own government and their rights to self determination are denied even basic human rights. Politically they are the oppressed races and socially they are isolated citizens and apartheid. All the inhabitants of highland areas, remote hills and no-man land areas throughout the country belong to the communities of the same tribe men whose living condition is dependent on weather and nature. Their basic needs, foods, clothing and shelters are relying only on what is described as self-supporting methods. Their primitive life goes on without education, healthcare and welfare to support life whatsoever. This is the kind of status and people that the newly adopted UN Declaration means to protect. In part it reads, “The Declaration emphasizes the rights of indigenous peoples to maintain and strengthen their own institutions, cultures and traditions and to pursue their development in keeping with their own needs and aspirations.”

The official name of Champa during its entire existence from 2nd century until it was conquered by north Viet and completely ceased to exist in 1832 was Kingdom of Champa. Prior to this date it had been known as Linyi since 192 C.E. The Kingdom consisted of five states with one central government. From North to South they are: Indrapura (Binh Tri Thien), Amaravati (Quang Nam, Quang Ngai), Vijaya (Binh Dinh), Khauthara (Nha Trang), and Panduranga (Phanrang, Phanri and Phanthiet). The location of Champa’s territories in its entirety is between 11th and 18th parallel line of latitude. The country coexistent bordered North Viet in the north and Kambuja (Cambodia) in the south and the west.

The north Viet was formerly known as Dai-Viet (great Viet) in the history. It was its intention and scheme that one day its neighbor champa would become its own country by all means and would be called south Viet. To carry out its policy of expansionisms successfully the Dai-Viet needed to take two courses of action. First was invasion and second was ethnic cleansing. One could not substitute the other. At all cost the Dai-Viet had committed crimes against humanity, violated the international laws, and ignored the rights of its neighbor’s country as a consequences of which Champa was erased from the Indochina’s map indefinitely.

During peaceful coexistence with all neighbors from 2nd through 9th century, Champa’s population was living in happiness and prosperity and enjoying high civilization. But from 10th century until its end, Champa always had had problems with the Dai-Viet’s aggressions. In 1036 and again in 1306 the Viet attacked Champa and the King surrendered resulting in the lost of northern lands. But from the years 1311 through 1353, Che Bong Nga, a brilliant general of Champa had defeated the Viet and recaptured successfully his lost lands. Unfortunately after his death, the Viet regain the victory over Champa. Constantly the Viet invaded the capital of Vijaya and destroyed it completely in 1471 while Champa lost a part of Khauthara in the central part in 1611. In another front the Viet infiltrated Camranh and settled there as its new border in the year 1653. It was obvious that Champa was overpowered by Viet’s manpower. Finally it was in the year 1832 when the entire Champa nation was destroyed and conquered by the Viet until today. For the Viet, the mission was accomplished with the destruction of Champa, the “killing fields” of the 19th century and the death of its whole population, the unforgettable races.

The history of Champa and its tragic story were written in many languages including Cham, Chinese, Vietnam, Khmer, Indonesian, Malay, English and French. It contained it full accounts and all the events of the last 900 years of its life. It is available in stone, and wood inscriptions and all forms of documentation of conceivable past. Everything was documented to such an extent that the world should be able to find justice and liberate Champa for its people of all generations to come, this only rightful owner.

The case of the fallen Champa is very unparallel, and it deserves a presentation in the UN assembly. It has indeed attracted much attention of the international academics such as university scholars, men of letter, writers and historians. It has been the case study for their thesis, treatise and discourse and so on. They undertake the task of writing about Champa, its people and cultures for their countries. (Part of their works are provide at the end). Today Champa appeals to all peace-loving countries of the world to support the fundamental rights and the noble cause of the fallen races so that the peaceful solution and justice could be found in the international forum.

All people of Champa are united under one leadership to continue their struggles for the independent land whether or not they have the support of the new UN declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples. First they resolved to liberate their country through non-violence approaches such as diplomacy, politics and economics. The needs and aspirations mentioned explicitly in the declaration mean that every indigenous people have their rights to self-determination and self-government in their own native land. In light of the UN declaration, the people of Champa demand that they be authorized to join the UN assembly for self-introduction presentation as one of the indigenous peoples of the world coming from a country whose name is King of Champa.

Whatever nation is ruling Champa today is being condemned by all the peoples of the world regardless of their differences of belief and religion. No one nation has the right to rule or colonize another nation on the basis of one being the victor and another being the vanquished. In the history of mankind, there has been no such a rule that applies to the game of sport and gamble. Colonization in those olden days existed only within time limits although it brought both advantages and disadvantages to the host country.

To achieve to autonomy in the territory populated by the native people of Champa, namely the central Vietnam, the case of Champa can be handled in the same way the UN was doing for east Timor of Indonesia about ten years ago. The number of Champa native population is twice of that of East Timor and so is the size of the country. In every respect, the case of the fallen Champa is far more feasible and favorable for the UN to pursue accomplishment in its mission than the case of East Timor, an island country newly independent. For the sake of the great diversity of the indigenous tribes and their national land, all people around the world shall not forget Champa.

Up to the present day, the Viet rulers and leaders with their national citizens, populations and governments and regimes inside Champa are all but new comers from their north lands and are all but descendants of the late Dai-Viet ancestry and Nguyen dynasties who had converted Champa into their new Vietnam since 18th century. These Viet people called Champa (Dat Nuoc) or new motherland illegitimately or in violation of all laws and norms of humanity. In fact they are both imperialists and colonialists in one of the countries of the Indo-Chinese peninsula. They call their Leader emperors Nguyen, emperor Gia, emperor Minh, and president Ngo, president Ho...Etc. who had reigned Champa in succession since their success of conquest. All of these rulers have ignored and denied the rights to self-determination of neither the racially native and indigenous population nor have they had in the least a lenient policy toward them, not to mention their other crimes against the Champa Kingdom.. These are the Viet leaders who have been suppressing all the Champa’s nationalists’ resistances and oppositions of all form.

Only and only the Champa’s people have the right to rule their own country in order to have peace and justice in our society and in our region, all foreigners do not have that right and are not entitled to absolutely. Such are the inalienable rights of every people living in the world. According to the geographic study, the almighty God has granted a country or a homeland to every people of every race in every location on the blessed earth. This has become the law of nature. All living creatures in land and sea bear witness and testimony to this eternal truth. Human being has no right to deny or change it. The territorial integrity of the Kingdom of Champa is indeed the gift from almighty God to the Champa people. Therefore, its sovereignty must belong to them at all times.
 
These two Cham Muslims, Hassan A Kasem and Suleiman Idres offer a damning indictment.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/SEA-02-091013.html

Vietnam's hidden hand in Cambodia's impasse
By Hassan A Kasem

Most Khmer citizens fail to fathom the depths of the ongoing subterfuge. Many have conveniently chosen ignorance over truth, as is common among traumatized populations in post-conflict societies. Western audiences, including the international donor community that continues to bankroll the CPP's corrupt and compromised tenure, should be less easily forgiven for turning a blind eye to Vietnam's still strong command over the country.

Some in the West saw Vietnam as a magnanimous liberator in 1979, an occupying army that rescued Cambodia from the radical Khmer Rouge regime's massacre of its own people. But Hanoi's use of force turned a difficult situation to its geopolitical advantage, putting an end to the Khmer Rouge regime's nationalistic stance vis-a-vis Vietnam, including its combative insistence on resolutions to border disputes held over from the French colonial era.

Hanoi's invasion and occupation with over 200,000 troops under the direction of communist revolutionary, politician and diplomat Le Duc Tho further weakened a nation reeling from the anti-communist war and Khmer-on-Khmer death and destruction. A number of brave revolutionary leaders who fell from grace at Hanoi's behest, including ex-prime minister Pen Sovann, have claimed Vietnamese troops deliberately looted and plundered national treasures and wealth during the invasion. Those installed into power by Hanoi, including incumbent prime minister Hun Sen, subsequently brushed off the theft as a mere war casualty.

To some Khmers, including many opposition politicians attached to the aptly named Cambodian National Rescue Party (CNRP), Hanoi is able to maintain its grip on Cambodia through its historical ties to Hun Sen and the CPP. CNRP members have not spoken without substantiation, feeling it would be morally wrong to exchange denial of truth for peace and power-sharing. The late King Norodom Sihanouk, for instance, said pointedly at a Paris meeting with his compatriots in early 1990 that, "it's meaningless to accept peace without independence, sovereignty and dignity".

The case of the fallen Champa

The case of the fallen Champa
Written by Suleiman Idres Bin
Monday, 12 September 2011 23:36

For quite a very long time, the world leaders have forgot Champa, and no ordinary people know anything about what has happened to Champa. By virtues of modern technologies, the history of the fallen Champa is now being revealed in the media networks and has attached worldwide attentions. The Champa’s history is the worst of all the world histories. The Champa’s enemy destroyed the whole country and everything it contained, massacred all its population, annihilated all its indigenous

races and wiped out all the country’s boundaries. The Champa’s declared enemy is the north Vietnam, the Champa’s country is the so called central and South Vietnam and the Champa’s population and indigenous races are the Cham, Jarai, Radhe, Chru, Koho, Mnong Maa, Bahnar, Sedang, Cham Hroi and Stieng...Etc. The North Vietnam conquered the entire Champa’s territories and committed genocides on its whole population in order to expand land from North-Viet to south-Viet. The so-called central-Viet and south-Viet did not exist before the first half of 18th century. There is nothing left for the Champa’s survivors now but the conquered country itself which is absolutely priceless. The total number of the Champa’s living people today is estimated 1.5 million half of which live in Cambodia.

It is a phenomenon that Champa was found by its indigenous people with a multiplicity of races and tribes. All of these people today are the progeny of their Champa’s ancestors living in their own country without their own government and their rights to self determination are denied even basic human rights. Politically they are the oppressed races and socially they are isolated citizens and apartheid. All the inhabitants of highland areas, remote hills and no-man land areas throughout the country belong to the communities of the same tribe men whose living condition is dependent on weather and nature. Their basic needs, foods, clothing and shelters are relying only on what is described as self-supporting methods. Their primitive life goes on without education, healthcare and welfare to support life whatsoever. This is the kind of status and people that the newly adopted UN Declaration means to protect. In part it reads, “The Declaration emphasizes the rights of indigenous peoples to maintain and strengthen their own institutions, cultures and traditions and to pursue their development in keeping with their own needs and aspirations.”

The official name of Champa during its entire existence from 2nd century until it was conquered by north Viet and completely ceased to exist in 1832 was Kingdom of Champa. Prior to this date it had been known as Linyi since 192 C.E. The Kingdom consisted of five states with one central government. From North to South they are: Indrapura (Binh Tri Thien), Amaravati (Quang Nam, Quang Ngai), Vijaya (Binh Dinh), Khauthara (Nha Trang), and Panduranga (Phanrang, Phanri and Phanthiet). The location of Champa’s territories in its entirety is between 11th and 18th parallel line of latitude. The country coexistent bordered North Viet in the north and Kambuja (Cambodia) in the south and the west.

The north Viet was formerly known as Dai-Viet (great Viet) in the history. It was its intention and scheme that one day its neighbor champa would become its own country by all means and would be called south Viet. To carry out its policy of expansionisms successfully the Dai-Viet needed to take two courses of action. First was invasion and second was ethnic cleansing. One could not substitute the other. At all cost the Dai-Viet had committed crimes against humanity, violated the international laws, and ignored the rights of its neighbor’s country as a consequences of which Champa was erased from the Indochina’s map indefinitely.

During peaceful coexistence with all neighbors from 2nd through 9th century, Champa’s population was living in happiness and prosperity and enjoying high civilization. But from 10th century until its end, Champa always had had problems with the Dai-Viet’s aggressions. In 1036 and again in 1306 the Viet attacked Champa and the King surrendered resulting in the lost of northern lands. But from the years 1311 through 1353, Che Bong Nga, a brilliant general of Champa had defeated the Viet and recaptured successfully his lost lands. Unfortunately after his death, the Viet regain the victory over Champa. Constantly the Viet invaded the capital of Vijaya and destroyed it completely in 1471 while Champa lost a part of Khauthara in the central part in 1611. In another front the Viet infiltrated Camranh and settled there as its new border in the year 1653. It was obvious that Champa was overpowered by Viet’s manpower. Finally it was in the year 1832 when the entire Champa nation was destroyed and conquered by the Viet until today. For the Viet, the mission was accomplished with the destruction of Champa, the “killing fields” of the 19th century and the death of its whole population, the unforgettable races.

The history of Champa and its tragic story were written in many languages including Cham, Chinese, Vietnam, Khmer, Indonesian, Malay, English and French. It contained it full accounts and all the events of the last 900 years of its life. It is available in stone, and wood inscriptions and all forms of documentation of conceivable past. Everything was documented to such an extent that the world should be able to find justice and liberate Champa for its people of all generations to come, this only rightful owner.

The case of the fallen Champa is very unparallel, and it deserves a presentation in the UN assembly. It has indeed attracted much attention of the international academics such as university scholars, men of letter, writers and historians. It has been the case study for their thesis, treatise and discourse and so on. They undertake the task of writing about Champa, its people and cultures for their countries. (Part of their works are provide at the end). Today Champa appeals to all peace-loving countries of the world to support the fundamental rights and the noble cause of the fallen races so that the peaceful solution and justice could be found in the international forum.

All people of Champa are united under one leadership to continue their struggles for the independent land whether or not they have the support of the new UN declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples. First they resolved to liberate their country through non-violence approaches such as diplomacy, politics and economics. The needs and aspirations mentioned explicitly in the declaration mean that every indigenous people have their rights to self-determination and self-government in their own native land. In light of the UN declaration, the people of Champa demand that they be authorized to join the UN assembly for self-introduction presentation as one of the indigenous peoples of the world coming from a country whose name is King of Champa.

Whatever nation is ruling Champa today is being condemned by all the peoples of the world regardless of their differences of belief and religion. No one nation has the right to rule or colonize another nation on the basis of one being the victor and another being the vanquished. In the history of mankind, there has been no such a rule that applies to the game of sport and gamble. Colonization in those olden days existed only within time limits although it brought both advantages and disadvantages to the host country.

To achieve to autonomy in the territory populated by the native people of Champa, namely the central Vietnam, the case of Champa can be handled in the same way the UN was doing for east Timor of Indonesia about ten years ago. The number of Champa native population is twice of that of East Timor and so is the size of the country. In every respect, the case of the fallen Champa is far more feasible and favorable for the UN to pursue accomplishment in its mission than the case of East Timor, an island country newly independent. For the sake of the great diversity of the indigenous tribes and their national land, all people around the world shall not forget Champa.

Up to the present day, the Viet rulers and leaders with their national citizens, populations and governments and regimes inside Champa are all but new comers from their north lands and are all but descendants of the late Dai-Viet ancestry and Nguyen dynasties who had converted Champa into their new Vietnam since 18th century. These Viet people called Champa (Dat Nuoc) or new motherland illegitimately or in violation of all laws and norms of humanity. In fact they are both imperialists and colonialists in one of the countries of the Indo-Chinese peninsula. They call their Leader emperors Nguyen, emperor Gia, emperor Minh, and president Ngo, president Ho...Etc. who had reigned Champa in succession since their success of conquest. All of these rulers have ignored and denied the rights to self-determination of neither the racially native and indigenous population nor have they had in the least a lenient policy toward them, not to mention their other crimes against the Champa Kingdom.. These are the Viet leaders who have been suppressing all the Champa’s nationalists’ resistances and oppositions of all form.

Only and only the Champa’s people have the right to rule their own country in order to have peace and justice in our society and in our region, all foreigners do not have that right and are not entitled to absolutely. Such are the inalienable rights of every people living in the world. According to the geographic study, the almighty God has granted a country or a homeland to every people of every race in every location on the blessed earth. This has become the law of nature. All living creatures in land and sea bear witness and testimony to this eternal truth. Human being has no right to deny or change it. The territorial integrity of the Kingdom of Champa is indeed the gift from almighty God to the Champa people. Therefore, its sovereignty must belong to them at all times.

Base on your post. Taiwan is native land of Aborigine Taiwanese. Hoklo, Han people must turn back to mainland China.

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Note that Indo-China peninsula belong to Mon/Khmer speaking people, included Vietnamese. Champa people were new comers.
 
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These two Cham Muslims, Hassan A Kasem and Suleiman Idres offer a damning indictment.
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Hey you Chinese called us as "monkey" ... do you know based on your assumption, human-being must return the planet to monkeys ... hahahaah

Just kidding.

Khmer Rouge was destroyed , that's the biggest victory of humanity ...
Do you guys Chinese, consider that as victory or lose ?

If that's a victory, so who created the victory ?
If Vietnam failed to kick out Khmer Rouge, is there any Cambodian politician survive for asking this or that ??
 
These two Cham Muslims, Hassan A Kasem and Suleiman Idres offer a damning indictment.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/SEA-02-091013.html

Vietnam's hidden hand in Cambodia's impasse
By Hassan A Kasem

Most Khmer citizens fail to fathom the depths of the ongoing subterfuge. Many have conveniently chosen ignorance over truth, as is common among traumatized populations in post-conflict societies. Western audiences, including the international donor community that continues to bankroll the CPP's corrupt and compromised tenure, should be less easily forgiven for turning a blind eye to Vietnam's still strong command over the country.

Some in the West saw Vietnam as a magnanimous liberator in 1979, an occupying army that rescued Cambodia from the radical Khmer Rouge regime's massacre of its own people. But Hanoi's use of force turned a difficult situation to its geopolitical advantage, putting an end to the Khmer Rouge regime's nationalistic stance vis-a-vis Vietnam, including its combative insistence on resolutions to border disputes held over from the French colonial era.

Hanoi's invasion and occupation with over 200,000 troops under the direction of communist revolutionary, politician and diplomat Le Duc Tho further weakened a nation reeling from the anti-communist war and Khmer-on-Khmer death and destruction. A number of brave revolutionary leaders who fell from grace at Hanoi's behest, including ex-prime minister Pen Sovann, have claimed Vietnamese troops deliberately looted and plundered national treasures and wealth during the invasion. Those installed into power by Hanoi, including incumbent prime minister Hun Sen, subsequently brushed off the theft as a mere war casualty.

To some Khmers, including many opposition politicians attached to the aptly named Cambodian National Rescue Party (CNRP), Hanoi is able to maintain its grip on Cambodia through its historical ties to Hun Sen and the CPP. CNRP members have not spoken without substantiation, feeling it would be morally wrong to exchange denial of truth for peace and power-sharing. The late King Norodom Sihanouk, for instance, said pointedly at a Paris meeting with his compatriots in early 1990 that, "it's meaningless to accept peace without independence, sovereignty and dignity".

The case of the fallen Champa

The case of the fallen Champa
Written by Suleiman Idres Bin
Monday, 12 September 2011 23:36

For quite a very long time, the world leaders have forgot Champa, and no ordinary people know anything about what has happened to Champa. By virtues of modern technologies, the history of the fallen Champa is now being revealed in the media networks and has attached worldwide attentions. The Champa’s history is the worst of all the world histories. The Champa’s enemy destroyed the whole country and everything it contained, massacred all its population, annihilated all its indigenous

races and wiped out all the country’s boundaries. The Champa’s declared enemy is the north Vietnam, the Champa’s country is the so called central and South Vietnam and the Champa’s population and indigenous races are the Cham, Jarai, Radhe, Chru, Koho, Mnong Maa, Bahnar, Sedang, Cham Hroi and Stieng...Etc. The North Vietnam conquered the entire Champa’s territories and committed genocides on its whole population in order to expand land from North-Viet to south-Viet. The so-called central-Viet and south-Viet did not exist before the first half of 18th century. There is nothing left for the Champa’s survivors now but the conquered country itself which is absolutely priceless. The total number of the Champa’s living people today is estimated 1.5 million half of which live in Cambodia.

It is a phenomenon that Champa was found by its indigenous people with a multiplicity of races and tribes. All of these people today are the progeny of their Champa’s ancestors living in their own country without their own government and their rights to self determination are denied even basic human rights. Politically they are the oppressed races and socially they are isolated citizens and apartheid. All the inhabitants of highland areas, remote hills and no-man land areas throughout the country belong to the communities of the same tribe men whose living condition is dependent on weather and nature. Their basic needs, foods, clothing and shelters are relying only on what is described as self-supporting methods. Their primitive life goes on without education, healthcare and welfare to support life whatsoever. This is the kind of status and people that the newly adopted UN Declaration means to protect. In part it reads, “The Declaration emphasizes the rights of indigenous peoples to maintain and strengthen their own institutions, cultures and traditions and to pursue their development in keeping with their own needs and aspirations.”

The official name of Champa during its entire existence from 2nd century until it was conquered by north Viet and completely ceased to exist in 1832 was Kingdom of Champa. Prior to this date it had been known as Linyi since 192 C.E. The Kingdom consisted of five states with one central government. From North to South they are: Indrapura (Binh Tri Thien), Amaravati (Quang Nam, Quang Ngai), Vijaya (Binh Dinh), Khauthara (Nha Trang), and Panduranga (Phanrang, Phanri and Phanthiet). The location of Champa’s territories in its entirety is between 11th and 18th parallel line of latitude. The country coexistent bordered North Viet in the north and Kambuja (Cambodia) in the south and the west.

The north Viet was formerly known as Dai-Viet (great Viet) in the history. It was its intention and scheme that one day its neighbor champa would become its own country by all means and would be called south Viet. To carry out its policy of expansionisms successfully the Dai-Viet needed to take two courses of action. First was invasion and second was ethnic cleansing. One could not substitute the other. At all cost the Dai-Viet had committed crimes against humanity, violated the international laws, and ignored the rights of its neighbor’s country as a consequences of which Champa was erased from the Indochina’s map indefinitely.

During peaceful coexistence with all neighbors from 2nd through 9th century, Champa’s population was living in happiness and prosperity and enjoying high civilization. But from 10th century until its end, Champa always had had problems with the Dai-Viet’s aggressions. In 1036 and again in 1306 the Viet attacked Champa and the King surrendered resulting in the lost of northern lands. But from the years 1311 through 1353, Che Bong Nga, a brilliant general of Champa had defeated the Viet and recaptured successfully his lost lands. Unfortunately after his death, the Viet regain the victory over Champa. Constantly the Viet invaded the capital of Vijaya and destroyed it completely in 1471 while Champa lost a part of Khauthara in the central part in 1611. In another front the Viet infiltrated Camranh and settled there as its new border in the year 1653. It was obvious that Champa was overpowered by Viet’s manpower. Finally it was in the year 1832 when the entire Champa nation was destroyed and conquered by the Viet until today. For the Viet, the mission was accomplished with the destruction of Champa, the “killing fields” of the 19th century and the death of its whole population, the unforgettable races.

The history of Champa and its tragic story were written in many languages including Cham, Chinese, Vietnam, Khmer, Indonesian, Malay, English and French. It contained it full accounts and all the events of the last 900 years of its life. It is available in stone, and wood inscriptions and all forms of documentation of conceivable past. Everything was documented to such an extent that the world should be able to find justice and liberate Champa for its people of all generations to come, this only rightful owner.

The case of the fallen Champa is very unparallel, and it deserves a presentation in the UN assembly. It has indeed attracted much attention of the international academics such as university scholars, men of letter, writers and historians. It has been the case study for their thesis, treatise and discourse and so on. They undertake the task of writing about Champa, its people and cultures for their countries. (Part of their works are provide at the end). Today Champa appeals to all peace-loving countries of the world to support the fundamental rights and the noble cause of the fallen races so that the peaceful solution and justice could be found in the international forum.

All people of Champa are united under one leadership to continue their struggles for the independent land whether or not they have the support of the new UN declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples. First they resolved to liberate their country through non-violence approaches such as diplomacy, politics and economics. The needs and aspirations mentioned explicitly in the declaration mean that every indigenous people have their rights to self-determination and self-government in their own native land. In light of the UN declaration, the people of Champa demand that they be authorized to join the UN assembly for self-introduction presentation as one of the indigenous peoples of the world coming from a country whose name is King of Champa.

Whatever nation is ruling Champa today is being condemned by all the peoples of the world regardless of their differences of belief and religion. No one nation has the right to rule or colonize another nation on the basis of one being the victor and another being the vanquished. In the history of mankind, there has been no such a rule that applies to the game of sport and gamble. Colonization in those olden days existed only within time limits although it brought both advantages and disadvantages to the host country.

To achieve to autonomy in the territory populated by the native people of Champa, namely the central Vietnam, the case of Champa can be handled in the same way the UN was doing for east Timor of Indonesia about ten years ago. The number of Champa native population is twice of that of East Timor and so is the size of the country. In every respect, the case of the fallen Champa is far more feasible and favorable for the UN to pursue accomplishment in its mission than the case of East Timor, an island country newly independent. For the sake of the great diversity of the indigenous tribes and their national land, all people around the world shall not forget Champa.

Up to the present day, the Viet rulers and leaders with their national citizens, populations and governments and regimes inside Champa are all but new comers from their north lands and are all but descendants of the late Dai-Viet ancestry and Nguyen dynasties who had converted Champa into their new Vietnam since 18th century. These Viet people called Champa (Dat Nuoc) or new motherland illegitimately or in violation of all laws and norms of humanity. In fact they are both imperialists and colonialists in one of the countries of the Indo-Chinese peninsula. They call their Leader emperors Nguyen, emperor Gia, emperor Minh, and president Ngo, president Ho...Etc. who had reigned Champa in succession since their success of conquest. All of these rulers have ignored and denied the rights to self-determination of neither the racially native and indigenous population nor have they had in the least a lenient policy toward them, not to mention their other crimes against the Champa Kingdom.. These are the Viet leaders who have been suppressing all the Champa’s nationalists’ resistances and oppositions of all form.

Only and only the Champa’s people have the right to rule their own country in order to have peace and justice in our society and in our region, all foreigners do not have that right and are not entitled to absolutely. Such are the inalienable rights of every people living in the world. According to the geographic study, the almighty God has granted a country or a homeland to every people of every race in every location on the blessed earth. This has become the law of nature. All living creatures in land and sea bear witness and testimony to this eternal truth. Human being has no right to deny or change it. The territorial integrity of the Kingdom of Champa is indeed the gift from almighty God to the Champa people. Therefore, its sovereignty must belong to them at all times.
welcome back you loser! where have you been all the time?

Champa wanted to destroy Vietnam, but they failed. Their hinduism society and godlike king based on caste and slavery. Later they converted to Islam threatening the entired buddhism nations in the region.

Where was Ming China when Vietnam fate was at stake?
 
And I am German...LOL

No joke...but I believe Vietnam navy needs in the long term aircraft carriers. How can we become a blue water navy without carriers as the government wants to achieve in 10-15 years?

I confess that I don't fully know the shipbuilding capabilities of Vietnam. is building aircraft carriers realistically within the countries capabilities? if so, how big would these carriers be?
 
I confess that I don't fully know the shipbuilding capabilities of Vietnam. is building aircraft carriers realistically within the countries capabilities? if so, how big would these carriers be?
The largest vessel that Viet Nam has built is a Floating Storage Offshore 150,000 DWT, you can see its pics on post #31 and 32 Vietnam Economy | Latest News | Page 3

Building aircraft carrier is too far-fetched; I believe Viet was just joking.
 
The largest vessel that Viet Nam has built is a Floating Storage Offshore 150,000 DWT, you can see its pics on post #31 and 32 Vietnam Economy | Latest News | Page 3

Building aircraft carrier is too far-fetched; I believe Viet was just joking.
I don't know man, there are calls for the fighting people of Philippines to take the fight to China, conduct open warfare on the seas and Guerrilla warfare on the seas against China and win.

There are also calls for Philippines to not buy American crap and build indigenous Destroyers and such ships in Philippines which would be better than China's.


Are Vietnamese as insane as that? I know your government isn't, but what about regular people, we don't know.

BTW, a carrier and building a big ship is not the same. It is as different as going to elementary school and college. Both going to school, but the degree of difficulty is not the same.
 
BTW, a carrier and building a big ship is not the same. It is as different as going to elementary school and college. Both going to school, but the degree of difficulty is not the same.

We know that it's difficult for China to make their first carrier too.
 
of course, why wouldn't it be?

Vietnam has no demand to build or purchase a carrier.
For protect our sea and islands, our land body is the most huge carrier to launch as many as aircrafts or missiles as -670 demanded. There're several ports and airports along the east coasts provide the operational range from 300-600km to Paracels and Spratly's ...

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