US makes it very clear - Will not share sensitive defence tech with India if S-400 is signed

[AUSTERLITZ]

you just lost all credibility right there...the h1b visa restrictions alone has hit your it industry hard...
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/23/ind...s-trumps-h-1b-policy-creates-uncertainty.html

never mind isreal, did you some how miss the american and european air raids and tomahawk missile attacks that the S400s failed to stop? sure, they'll say that we "prewarned" so we didn't use them...but we all know that's just a face saving tactic on moscow's part.

S400s are duds...an overly priced "feel good" weapon, nothing more. and by the way, the same holds true for the american thaad and the aegis, piddly little north korea rubbed it in their faces by shooting mutliple missiles over south korea and japan and they failed to intercept even a single one. there is a reason trumpy has had to agree to negotiate with a psychopath like kim jon-un.

Hitting an industry hard and affecting the whole economy is completely different in scale.Our economy is not affected ,nor fighting for survival.All tomahawk launches were told in advance to russians so as to not hit russian personnel.
S-400 is dud?
Is that why Israel is afraid of russia giving even the older s-300 to iran and syria?Is that why china's whole air defence network is based on s-300/s-400 and its copies?I guess PLA is also a dud with a feel good weapon.Only you pakistani experts know better than india,russia,israel,china,turkey.

 

[GumNaam]

Hitting an industry hard and affecting the whole economy is completely different in scale.Our economy is not affected ,nor fighting for survival.All tomahawk launches were told in advance to russians so as to not hit russian personnel.
S-400 is dud?
Is that why Israel is afraid of russia giving even the older s-300 to iran and syria?Is that why china's whole air defence network is based on s-300/s-400 and its copies?I guess PLA is also a dud with a feel good weapon.Only you pakistani experts know better than india,russia,israel,china,turkey.

S300s and S400s are effective against aircrafts which is why isreal is objecting. But duds against cruise missiles and warheads and smaller air to ground and ship to ground missiles. that's the cold hard reality. the h1b visa just took effect a short while ago and has had a devastating impact on the indian it industry. the impact will naturally grow with time to effect the restb of the economy. but if you don't believe me then not a problem... you eventually will...

 

[MimophantSlayer]

all these things were only made possible through american blessings.

once america pulls those blessings, it is game over. you are no China nor germany...

I think you are confusing your own condition with ours.

As long as we remain a bluewater navy situated geographically where we are, India will continue to be strategically important.

 

[GumNaam]

I think you are confusing your own condition with ours.

As long as we remain a bluewater navy situated geographically where we are, India will continue to be strategically important.

a blue water navy will only invite Tyne kinds of unnecessary challenges that india is incapable of facing. if you think that india's blue water navy can take on China without american or japanese then your sadly mistaken. your own indian naval chief said that no one is gonna come to the indian navy's rescue which indicates that he already knows that in a conflict against the PLAN, the indian navy wouldn't last.

and thankfully we aren't dependant on any american firm or any other firm that could be effected by american sanctions. just take a look at the biggest it firms in india and you'll realize how dependant they on america and american firms...or you can continue to keep your stuck in the ground.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

S300s and S400s are effective against aircrafts which is why isreal is objecting. But duds against cruise missiles and warheads and smaller air to ground and ship to ground missiles. that's the cold hard reality. the h1b visa just took effect a short while ago and has had a devastating impact on the indian it industry. the impact will naturally grow with time to effect the restb of the economy. but if you don't believe me then not a problem... you eventually will...

Our economy has felt nothing because its driven by internal consumption above all.I know you want to believe indian economy will be 'devastated',but its a fool's errand.

As for the S-400,we want it for aircraft not for cruise missiles.S-400 gives us the ability to ground PAF from within indian territory,shoot down supporting AWACS and tankers at will,make life very dangerous for j-20s and other deep strike aircraft in chinese arsenal and provide limited ballistic missile defense.S-400 will provide the outer long range SAM layer.
For cruise missiles and PGMs we have SPYDER and akash deployed and the much more lethal medium range barak -8 MRSAM land version coming online.

 

[GumNaam]

Our economy has felt nothing because its driven by internal consumption above all.I know you want to believe indian economy will be 'devastated',but its a fool's errand.

As for the S-400,we want it for aircraft not for cruise missiles.S-400 gives us the ability to ground PAF from within indian territory,shoot down supporting AWACS and tankers at will,make life very dangerous for j-20s and other deep strike aircraft in chinese arsenal and provide limited ballistic missile defense.S-400 will provide the outer long range SAM layer.
For cruise missiles and PGMs we have SPYDER and akash deployed and the much more lethal medium range barak -8 MRSAM land version coming online.

But it can't stop missiles and can also be easily jammed as the americans proved time and time again. america doesn't send in its fly boys in any enemy territory until it is sure that any potential threat has been blinded or naturalized. and if the americans can jam it than so can the Chinese which means so can we. the S400 hundred wouldn't wouldn't ground us, it'll only blind you and invite a reign of cruise missiles in wartime.

as for your economy, signs of a slump have alread started to show. but enjoy your ignorant bliss...

 

[fitpOsitive]

If they can do it, anybody can do it. US can no longer act like a daddy.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

sorry buddy still not available to you for sale.



India too big for bullied

We have to buy it through Russia and not India.
Don't get bullied and buy s400 from Russia and f35 from USA.
But please don't try to be Russian spokesman.

 

[MimophantSlayer]

it's not your call and considering the last few shut up calls putin has given to modi, looks like it's not GONNA be your call anytime in the future either.

Having said that, Pakistan is very carefully watching the S400's performance in Syria...and so far, it has been very disappointing.


hate to bust your bubble, but india is like a big fat woman that easily gets bullied, not a big muscular man that can't get bullied.

Oh yeah, S-400 is sooo bad.
No wonder China and 6 other countries want it.

Let's all remember that Pakistan is not USA, you cannot emulate what the Americans did in Syria.

a blue water navy will only invite Tyne kinds of unnecessary challenges that india is incapable of facing. if you think that india's blue water navy can take on China without american or japanese then your sadly mistaken. your own indian naval chief said that no one is gonna come to the indian navy's rescue which indicates that he already knows that in a conflict against the PLAN, the indian navy wouldn't last.

and thankfully we aren't dependant on any american firm or any other firm that could be effected by american sanctions. just take a look at the biggest it firms in india and you'll realize how dependant they on america and american firms...or you can continue to keep your stuck in the ground.

On the contrary, a blue water navy ensures that we can defend our backyard while projecting power. That is the only reason countries like Vietnam and Singapore have allowed refueling and rearming of Indian Naval vessels in their ports, this is exactly why the French have a signed a defence logistics agreement with India, that is exactly why Japan and Australia keep inviting us to QUAD stuff.

Pakistan is also situated in this very region and also has access to the same waters.
But do you see these countries coming to Pakistan? Nope.

Also, we don't need to "take on" China, all we need to do is defend our already situated interests in SCS and anywhere else in the Indian ocean which we can and we are doing seeing how they are still standing.
Our Naval Chief never said we can't take on China infact they say the opposite all the time, what CNS Sunil Lanba said was that in a land war with China no quad countries will intervene, ON THE LAND, nothing to do with the navy.

You clearly want us to think pakistan is no longer dependant on the US or that US can't make life difficult for you, but that's not true.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...rk-fine-for-compliance-failures-idUSKCN1BI291

US sanctions seven Pakistani entities

Pakistan may find itself on FATF blacklist after June

U.S. sanctions Pakistani companies over nuclear trade


Even indirect sanctions affect pakistan.
http://energypolicy.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/CGEPSanctionsandtheRisk%2520ofCollateralDamageTheImpactofUSIranSanctionsonPakistan0717.pdf


You will never see India being affected like above by direct sanctions or indirectl sanctions.

As for IT, these are minor market fluctuations that occur all the time, our IT industry has faced far-far worse than Trump.

Again, India is no pakistan, we aren't dependent on one country at one time.
A small sanction itself hurts pakistan in magnitudes while India even with all its problems is still growing insanely fast overall.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/ec...e-amazingly-fast-adb/articleshow/64049171.cms

 

[GumNaam]

Oh yeah, S-400 is sooo bad.
No wonder China and 6 other countries want it.



On the contrary, a blue water navy ensures that we can defend our backyard while projecting power. That is the only reason countries like Vietnam and Singapore have allowed refueling and rearming of Indian Naval vessels in their ports, this is exactly why the French have a signed a defence logistics agreement with India, that is exactly why Japan and Australia keep inviting us to QUAD stuff.

Pakistan is also situated in this very region and also has access to the same waters.
But do you see these countries coming to Pakistan? Nope.

Also, we don't need to "take on" China, all we need to do is defend our already situated interests in SCS and anywhere else in the Indian ocean which we can and we are doing seeing how they are still standing.
Our Naval Chief never said we can't take on China infact they say the opposite all the time, what CNS Sunil Lanba said was that in a land war with China no quad countries will intervene, ON THE LAND, nothing to do with the navy.

You clearly want us to think pakistan is no longer dependant on the US or that US can't make life difficult for you, but that's not true.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...rk-fine-for-compliance-failures-idUSKCN1BI291

US sanctions seven Pakistani entities

Pakistan may find itself on FATF blacklist after June

U.S. sanctions Pakistani companies over nuclear trade


Even indirect sanctions affect pakistan.
http://energypolicy.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/CGEPSanctionsandtheRisk%2520ofCollateralDamageTheImpactofUSIranSanctionsonPakistan0717.pdf


You will never see India being affected like above by direct sanctions or indirectl sanctions.

As for IT, these are minor market fluctuations that occur all the time, our IT industry has faced far-far worse than Trump.

Again, India is no pakistan, we aren't dependent on one country at one time.
A small sanction itself hurts pakistan in magnitudes while India even with all its problems is still growing insanely fast overall.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/ec...e-amazingly-fast-adb/articleshow/64049171.cms

Pakistani NESCOM doesn't use american equipment anyways no loss for us. And if you think your blue navy can on China and others will help you then good luck (you'll need it).

And good luck getting the S400s, would love to see the confused look on your face when they don't work, if you even manage to get it that is...

 

[leapx]

With or without S400 deal, USA will not share any sensitive technology with India. USA even refuse share radar technology with South Korea to help their KFX. Basically, sell some advanced weapon is fine;share sensitive technology,no way.

 

[MimophantSlayer]

Pakistani NESCOM doesn't use american equipment anyways no loss for us. And if you think your blue navy can on China and others will help you then good luck (you'll need it).

I don't think you understand how sanctions work.
True america might not provide NESCOM with its needs but this sanction sets a precedent as to what America is willing to do to hinder pakistan.
And as if on cue, look what happened and is happening in just the 1st half of this year.
The links I provided should be sufficient.

Also, if China could have done something they already would have.
We are buying more sectors for oil extraction from Vietnam in the SCS yet the PLAN is nowhere and we are still standing.

And good luck getting the S400s, would love to see the confused look on your face when they don't work, if you even manage to get it that is...

I understand you lot are feeling rather anxious about our weapons purchases but that won't stop them from being any less effective.

All your close allies are buying S-400, but clearly pakistanis know better than Turkey or China

Again, pakistan is not america, you lot in all probability cannot emulate what the Americans did in Syria.

 

[Beast]

This is the difference between paying for the technology and begging for it via FMA...
India is paying hard cash each time so we don't have to listen to anyone

There are sometime you can’t buy with money or even u can buy it, the price will be out of Indian reach becos the seller knows you can’t build one.

India will always be at the mercy of others with the buying mentality.

 

[帅的一匹]

Pakistan and China are both mutually dependent on each other, we both offer to each other what no one else can offer. being on your knees hanging on to coat tails occurs when the coat wearer has no dependency on you and you have all your dependency on them. like india and the u.s. they aren't dependent on you while you are totally dependent on them. this fake brave face you are putting on won't last for very long...

My way or the high way, that's how Trump doing things.

 

[GumNaam]

I don't think you understand how sanctions work.
True america might not provide NESCOM with its needs but this sanction sets a precedent as to what America is willing to do to hinder pakistan.
And as if on cue, look what happened and is happening in just the 1st half of this year.
The links I provided should be sufficient.

Also, if China could have done something they already would have.
We are buying more sectors for oil extraction from Vietnam in the SCS yet the PLAN is nowhere and we are still standing.



I understand you lot are feeling rather anxious about our weapons purchases but that won't stop them from being any less effective.

All your close allies are buying S-400, but clearly pakistanis know better than Turkey or China

Again, pakistan is not america, you lot in all probability cannot emulate what the Americans did in Syria.

it is too late for america to do anything against us or any of our weapons programs including nuclear. And Turkey uses the S400 as a symbolic leverage against the u.s. to indicate that it can leave nato. and interesting you mention Turkey, practical example was Turkey shooting down a Russian plane while it was flying under the so called cover of the S400. the Russian pilot died! What are you gonna say now? That the Turks forewarned Russia this time? its a bluffing tool, nothing more. It's a feel good bluffing tool only good for making money...nothing more.