US Leaders With Dual Israeli Citizenship

[gambit]

You are unqualified to "debate" anything outside the cut-and-paste world of radar specs.

Avoid yourself the embarrassment and don't even dream to enter a debate about ethnic nepotism.

It is as obviously contradictory as a neo-Nazi saying he has Jewish friends, but...Jews are...then goes the list of what Jews do and are suspicious of.

 

[Developereo]

It is as obviously contradictory as a neo-Nazi saying he has Jewish friends, but...Jews are...then goes the list of what Jews do and are suspicious of.

Try spouting something more intelligent than blabbering trite stock-phrases of anti-Semitism to hide your ignorance.

I am making the claim that Hollywood execs are disproportionately Jewish.

Do you dispute that claim?

Answer yes or no.

Rest assured I will provide evidence to back my claim. I suggest you educate yourself on the matter before jumping in, or run along and save yourself the embarrassment.

 

[UKBengali]

Try spouting something more intelligent than blabbering trite stock-phrases of anti-Semitism to hide your ignorance.

I am making the claim that Hollywood execs are disproportionately Jewish.

Do you dispute that claim?

Answer yes or no.

Rest assured I will provide evidence to back my claim. I suggest you educate yourself on the matter before jumping in, or run along and save yourself the embarrassment.

He is a brought out slave in effect.

In return for never saying anything that may go against Jewish interests he is able to have a career that he is capable of and is interested in.

I would have more respect for people who openly admit to being scared of criticising Jews rather than defending them almost as a reflex action.

 

[angeldude13]

This dual citizenship thing is BS.
I like the Indian way.
You are either Indian or you are not.

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

If you don't care about Canada's laws in relation to the presidency, then we are agreed that dual citizenship is a non-issue.

In relation to who's presidency Canada's or U.S.?

If Canada has laws that allow dual citizenship for their politicians then that is their problem, those laws would be for Canada.

Ex: If a Canadian citizen holds a dual citizenship with the U.S. when running for a political office in Canada then they would be able to keep the dual citizenship because Canada Laws allow it. However if that same citizen holds a dual citizenship with Canada in the U.S., moves to the U.S. and plans on running for a political office in the U.S. then they will have to renounce their dual citizenship with Canada before they apply for a political office in the U.S.

Ex2: If a U.S. citizen holds a dual citizenship with Canada while running for a political office in the U.S. they would have to renounce their dual citizenship. If that same U.S. citizen moves to Canada to run for a political office in Canada then they would be able to keep there dual citizenship...

However, since the U.S. citizen is a "Native born" to the U.S. and he/she keeps their dual citizenship (U.S.) while in Canada and their policies while in Canadian Office are against the U.S. then this citizen would be held accountable through U.S. court system, their dual citizenship with Canada could be renounced by the U.S. and wouldn't be allowed to travel or live in Canada.
If the Canadian citizen while in Canada does the same thing then the U.S. would renounce their dual citizenship and he/she could be prevented from traveling or living in the U.S. and possibly sanction.

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

In relation to who's presidency Canada's or U.S.?

If Canada has laws that allow dual citizenship for their politicians then that is their problem, those laws would be for Canada.

Ex: If a Canadian citizen holds a dual citizenship with the U.S. when running for a political office in Canada then they would be able to keep the dual citizenship because Canada Laws allow it. However if that same citizen holds a dual citizenship with Canada in the U.S., moves to the U.S. and plans on running for a political office in the U.S. then they will have to renounce their dual citizenship with Canada before they apply for a political office in the U.S.

Ex2: If a U.S. citizen holds a dual citizenship with Canada while running for a political office in the U.S. they would have to renounce their dual citizenship. If that same U.S. citizen moves to Canada to run for a political office in Canada then they would be able to keep there dual citizenship...

However, since the U.S. citizen is a "Native born" to the U.S. and he/she keeps their dual citizenship (U.S.) while in Canada and their policies while in Canadian Office are against the U.S. then this citizen would be held accountable through U.S. court system, their dual citizenship with Canada could be renounced by the U.S. and wouldn't be allowed to travel or live in Canada.
If the Canadian citizen while in Canada does the same thing then the U.S. would renounce their dual citizenship and he/she could be prevented from traveling or living in the U.S. and possibly sanction.

Why do you assume that Canadian dual citizens in Canada are beyond reproach, but American dual citizens in America cannot be trusted?

Why do you assume that dual citizens will automatically be more loyal to the country where they are not resident?

Why do you assume that dual citizenship will even interfere with the politician's job? Most politicians have zero influence over foreign policy, and in cases of conflict of interest, they can recuse themselves. On the contrary, I have seen politicians where there is any question of conflict of interest take "anti-other country" positions to allay fears of dual loyalty (e.g. Gary Locke and China).

Finally, why should citizenship be the test? For example, many single-citizenship Irish Americans raised money for the IRA, even though they were a designated terrorist organization. Lack of Irish citIzenship didn't prevent them from putting the interests of "the mother country" ahead of their country of citizenship. The same with some Jewish-Americans, of course (Jonathan Pollard) or Korean-Americans (Robert Kim). Some of the worst traitors didn't even have a discernable ethnic-loyalty motive (John Walker, Aldrich Ames, Robert Hansson, etc.) Dual citizenship had nothing to do with those cases, so a requirement to renounce dual citizenship is a solution looking for a problem.

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

Why do you assume that Canadian dual citizens in Canada are beyond reproach, but American dual citizens in America cannot be trusted?
Why do you assume that dual citizens will automatically be more loyal to the country where they are not resident?

I don't, I just stopped writing because it was going to become a book, I have a bad habit of that. So I just left it open knowing you might ask or assume making it a yes or no question.

Why do you assume that dual citizenship will even interfere with the politician's job?

I neither assume it will or won't.

Finally, why should citizenship be the test?

It shouldn't be the only "test". I'm no expert either.

 

[senheiser]

They work hard to be at the position they hold currently. In regards to Americans who profess the Hebrew Faith, many of them are talented and hard working individuals. Why should they be persecuted for their hard work ? After all, there is truth in the old adage, "You reap what you sow". If you sow hard work, you reap the bountiful fruits....

most US math and sciene achievements are done by chinese americans they are smarter than jews, funny how you dont see any chinese in politics ?

 

[livingdead]

most US math and sciene achievements are done by chinese americans they are smarter than jews, funny how you dont see any chinese in politics ?

same for Indians in UK.. Indians are big in numbers but not many are into politics... compared to pakistanis.. most Indian will try to be part professional or trading class than political class.

 

[gambit]

Try spouting something more intelligent than blabbering trite stock-phrases of anti-Semitism to hide your ignorance.

I am making the claim that Hollywood execs are disproportionately Jewish.

Do you dispute that claim?

Answer yes or no.

Rest assured I will provide evidence to back my claim. I suggest you educate yourself on the matter before jumping in, or run along and save yourself the embarrassment.

Fray Prudencio de Sandoval said this of Jews and blacks...

Jews, blacks, and the roots of racism. - Free Online Library

Who can deny that in the descendants of the Jews there persists and endures the evil inclination of their ancient ingratitude and lack of understanding, just as in Negroes [there persists] the inseparability of their blackness.

Pretend that I am a white man and that I said this of the Chinese: All they are good for is the laundry profession, lounging in the opium dens, and their women are for the carnal pleasures of men.

Chinese laundry, opium, and massage parlors. Stereotypes exists to this day. But those stereotypes came to be when Chinese were prominent in those activities.

YOU would jump to the defense of the Chinese by explaining that in the days of social and legal racial divide that was early America, the Chinese have little other avenues to live. They helped each other, aka 'ethnic nepotism', and that was a good thing. Perhaps even a good thing to this day. Here in Vegas, there are stretches of Spring Mountain Rd where Vietnamese businesses advertised and helped almost exclusively to other Viets. No one complains to the city or to the LV Journal on how 'racist' the Viets, the Chinese, or the Mexicans are when they do businesses almost exclusively among each other.

But as a Muslim, you are religiously obligated to, if not hate, then at least view Jews with paranoia, especially when there is a gathering of them anywhere. It all depends on the context. Ethnic nepotism is good for non-whites and non-Jews, but for the Jews, ethnic nepotism is nefarious with the Jews bent on controlling the society they live in.

It is funny that you, a Muslim in Australia, is crying about the power of Hollywood Jews in some kind of secret cabal to control America when liberal and conservative Jews in the US is crying the opposite, that Hollywood Jews cares almost nothing for Jewish and Israelis issues. To Muslims like you, Jews and evil are as inseparable as Negroes and their skin tones. Methinks Sandoval would call you a kindred soul, buddy.

If Jews controls Hollywood, then how the hell did DeMille made King of Kings, arguably none more blatant a representation of the charge that Jews killed Jesus ? Or that six of the indicted 'Hollywood Ten' were Jews ?

I do not see you crying over the fact that American professional sports are dominated by blacks. If sports required physical prowess even just to compete, let alone win, and blacks dominates, then why is it unusual if Jews just happened to be prominent in the creative arts, just like they do at the sciences, where mental prowess is currency ? You do not like the depictions of Muslims as crazed terrorists, so why do you tolerate stereotyping Jews ? Never mind that last question.

 

[Developereo]

Fray Prudencio de Sandoval said this of Jews and blacks...

A long blabbering cut-and-paste job which again boils down to your imbecile rants of anti-Semtism, and NO ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.

I have ZERO interest in your theories of what Muslims are obligated to believe or not believe.

I asked you a simple question.

For the readers, save yourself the embarrassment and ANSWER MY QUESTION OR RUN ALONG..

 

[gambit]

A long blabbering cut-and-paste job which again boils down to your imbecile rants of anti-Semtism, and NO ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.

I have ZERO interest in your theories of what Muslims are obligated to believe or not believe.

I asked you a simple question.

For the readers, save yourself the embarrassment and ANSWER MY QUESTION OR RUN ALONG..

I have next to zero interest in your questions. As for embarrassment, it is your contradiction that is being exposed here.

 

[KingMamba]

This dual citizenship thing is BS.
I like the Indian way.
You are either Indian or you are not.

Agreed.

 

[gambit]

This dual citizenship thing is BS.
I like the Indian way.
You are either Indian or you are not.

That may sound 'catchy' but it does not help the discussion.

What is a 'citizen' ? A 'citizenship' is an ideological and political statement. It basically says I am at least alleged to have loyalty towards a politically recognized entity. So as an American, I am at least alleged to have my loyalty towards the US. It does not matter if I am US born or not. A 'citizenship' is a status that is independent of race or any other forms of origins.

That does not mean race and/or origins cannot be determining and/or criterion towards the grant of citizenship, whether that grant is somehow automatic (birth) or conditional (immigration).

So...You are either Indian or you are not... means what ?

What is the main determination factor ? Is it birth inside the borders of a political entity call 'India' ? Is it skin color, implying race ? Is it from name implying proof of lineage ? What ?

A citizenship does not automatically mean the grantor of citizenship -- country -- automatically lose the person if he/she decides to apply his/her loyalty towards another country, whether he/she decides to officially become a citizen of that other country. If India have automatic grant of citizenship via birth, then in order to clear up any confusion, India must make it clear that if a person chose to pledge allegiance to the US, that person automatically loses his/her Indian citizenship. In this case, a person cannot have dual citizenship between India and the US. India can further clear it up by saying there is no need for official renunciation of Indian citizenship at the moment of pledge of allegiance to the US, and that a verbal pledge as witnessed by others, some forms of documentation, or even merely visiting the US by physically being in the US, is enough for an automatic loss of Indian citizenship. But if India -- or any country for this matter -- says nothing about a loss of citizenship and how such a loss can be incurred, then we now have this discussion.

Here is the US oath of naturalization:

Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America | USCIS

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

Note the highlighted. The oath does not demand that I officially renounce citizenship to my previous country. It only demands that I renounce 'allegiance and fidelity', which are moral, not political, precepts. The US requires that I verbally and publicly pledges allegiance and loyalty to the US and that is sufficient for the US to grant me citizenship. The US can also say that I have to live in the US for X yrs, paid the legally required taxes, have no felony convictions, be right handed, speaks with a Texas accent, and so on.

What if the US also demand that I provide proof of official renunciation of my previous citizenship but that my country of origin refuses to allow me to renounce that citizenship ? What if India does that to all Indians who currently holds Indian citizenship -- do not allow the official renunciation of Indian citizenship ?

That is why the US simply ask that you pledge allegiance, live in the US for X yrs, have no felony convictions, be right handed, drives only American branded cars, eat one burger from either MacDonald's or Burger King a day, etc...etc...in order for you to become a US citizen. You can meet all the other conditions but lie about your allegiance for all we care. We just want your public and verbal expression of that pledge. You can become a US citizen and spy for the country of your true and hidden allegiance -- if you want. If you are a non-US citizen and got caught spying, then you just go to jail for a long time. But if you are a US citizen and got caught spying for another country, whether you have any moral allegiance to that country or not, then the brand 'traitor' will be applied and you could be shot for treason. That verbal and public pledge carries moral consequences as well as benefits, tangible and else.

There are plenty of people at all strata of US society that carries dual citizenship. But people generally confuses citizenship with allegiance.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I'd ask for proof that these individuals hold dual-citizenship, but I don't care to read an article on Stormfront.

Members in US politics who hold dual US / Israeli citizenship:


1. Attorney General – Michael Mukasey

Well I started going down the list and already at #1 found a problem.

The Attorney General of the US is Eric Holder United States Attorney General - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Michael Mukasey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia has been out of office for over 5 years.

I expect this list to be everybody since 1948 who has held some kind of office.