US immigrants landscape, Mexicans all over, Pakistanis nowhere

[Donatello]

Indian Americans are the ideal set. Highly educated, high earning, low crime rate.

A couple years old report, the data would be only more favorable now:

http://newamericamedia.org/2012/07/indian-americans-most-educated-richest-says-pew-report.php

Indian Americans are the most educated population in the United States, with more than 80 percent holding college or advanced degrees, stated a report released June 19 by the Pew Research Center.

Indians Americans also have the highest income levels, earning $65,000 per year with a median household income of $88,000, far higher than the U.S. household average of 49,000, according to the survey.

But the report, titled, “The Rise of Asian Americans,” was immediately taken to task by several organizations for its seemingly-homogenous portrayal of the U.S.’s fastest growing ethnic population.

Bhai,

Why do they have to go to America to earn an income? Why not back home?

 

[Nicky G]

Bhai,

Why do they have to go to America to earn an income? Why not back home?

Shouldn't you know the answer from your own life experience?

Anyway, from my own experience, better value for money, better opportunities, better life for kids - for those who have kids and perhaps most importantly less crowded, particularly in suburbs. In general, if you are qualified, you can make a great life anywhere, better in US most of all.

Though, I like to keep moving back and forth preferably between different countries.

PS: add great beaches to that list, Sydney in particular.

 

[Donatello]

Shouldn't you know the answer from your own life experience?

Anyway, from my own experience, better value for money, better opportunities, better life for kids - for those who have kids and perhaps most importantly less crowded, particularly in suburbs. In general, if you are qualified, you can make a great life anywhere, better in US most of all.

Though, I like to keep moving back and forth preferably between different countries.

PS: add great beaches to that list, Sydney in particular.

That question was in reference to the oft mis quoted Americans vs Indians in USA.......i mean, yea Indians work hard, but they achieve what they do because they are in a land of opportunities........that makes a BIG FREAKING DIFFERENCE!

 

[Nicky G]

That question was in reference to the oft mis quoted Americans vs Indians in USA.......i mean, yea Indians work hard, but they achieve what they do because they are in a land of opportunities........that makes a BIG FREAKING DIFFERENCE!

Of course it does. However, the key point is that the Indians that do go to these countries are able to exploit the opportunities better than the rest of the immigrants and the local population.

What's stopping the other immigrants or locals from being more educated and earn more than the Indians?

The logical though debatable extension is that, the the better opportunities the Indian establishment is able to provide Indians in India, given their potential to exploit those opportunities, the progress is likely to be higher than other countries.

 

[MilSpec]

That question was in reference to the oft mis quoted Americans vs Indians in USA.......i mean, yea Indians work hard, but they achieve what they do because they are in a land of opportunities........that makes a BIG FREAKING DIFFERENCE!

100% true.

 

[Viper0011.]

That is your perception dear...Not for every one around the world who apply for visa....BTW, i still feel that US is the land for opportunity,innovdation and above all, providing equality to a outsider immigrant which very few nations in this world can provide you....So for me, US still holds the card for another generation or may be 50 year to lead the show...Of course..US in 2015 is not the same as US in 1985...but the failure of stature of US does not mean that US is replaced by China...It will take another 2 generation for China to provide equality and quality social leaving that US provides to its people..

So certain people have some tough time in US but of course it might have due to some genuine reason....




Let us be honest in our discussion...There are in fact instances which you have accused is true..There are instances where fake people does really come and exploit the system to get an entry...No one denies that....And that is applicable for even many other people too..But the million dollar question is that why not the Gov is not taking stringent action against these crooks? Personally i would love to see these crooks firms irrespective of which nationality it belongs to should be punished..But what i have seen, rather than they are punished, ther grow by each year and then they are part of the system by giving donation to the some of the political group..So it is really needed that the US political system should also punish these crooks rather than listening to corporate only..

Now, coming to your next question, i have an example of my personal experience...I have had an serious debate with my senior who is a German by native and he is a 1st generation American..He was started talking how immigrants from South Asia are messing up the system...And he is with opinion that South Asian people should be barred from coming to India as US is the land of so called "THEM" only...After some heated exchange of opinion..I got to know( Courtesy LInkedIn) that he has been graduated from Germany and born in Germany and of course...I respect him as a professional....So i was just curious and asked him...How come you came " THEM" and i became the typical "Indian" and how come i have less right to explore my career in this land where you have right to do so?...Is it just because of some reason which is not related to our Talent?,,,,,That shows the amount of racism, certain section of the society exhibits to others......

So do not try to be trying to naive to expect that every system or process is right...Based on your explanation...I agree with you that fake people do come to US with dubious credentials...But that does not discount the fact that majority of them are not the case what is being projected by you unless and otherwise..you have some specific bias due to some unknown reason which i am least interested to know..Same kind of Fake people and dubious credentials people i find that from local American people in different fields too..That does not mean that majority of the society is corrupt or intend to corrupt practices to meet their ends..

What's this post about? You went on and on about China being a US competitor (which has NOTHING to do with the topic), then a German saying too many South Asians aren't good and instead of giving some real evidence as to why, you put in that he was being racist, to people having tough time in Pakistan, to American with fake credentials (which is like 1% to about 45% of the Indian population here in the US) and all the other stuff.

The ONLY thing in your post related to the topic was, why the US government hasn't taken the steps to capture people doing visa fraud. Well, if you actually READ my post and see the links in there, there is plenty of evidence and cases provided with many companies were fined millions of dollars. If hundreds of people on H1B visa are being used for other purposes by their employers, but they legally issue a check to them, that's how far the government can go to check. They can't monitor millions of H1B's 24*7 to see what they are doing and if they are violating the law. As long as these guys are here with a valid visa and a check to prove they are still employed by the same company who sponsored them, that's how far the law goes. I've actually heard from one of my employees from India, just a couple of days ago that before he transferred his H1B, his one of the previous employer had 9 people living in a ONE bedroom apartment (about 700 square feet with one tiny bathroom), which was owned by the company. That's how these guys maximize their profits. Plus, he also told me that he knew dozens of people (and per him, its a very common practice), for employers to issue fake checks but actually never transfer the money to employees, while they are in between contracts. So if you are on H1B visa, you go through your savings or be starving if you couldn't find another contract, BUT, the employer will issue you a fake check to comply with the law, and will force you to live with a dozen other people??? This is very common, almost every other Indian company does that.

Frankly speaking, I personally dislike Indian businessmen. Not as individual friends, but in business. Because they play nasty, don't have respect for other humans and can go to the last level of human class, to make profit. The above example is JUST one of many, where their own fellow Indian citizens are forced to live in sub-human conditions in a tiny place, while these guys are educated and make very good money. I am not racist as I've always employed people from India and have treated them well. So well that every time I need something, they're ready to leave their current job and come work for me. But

I think the German you are referring to, had the same issue. In fact, majority of Americans who share my kind of sentiment, do not have an issue with Indian "talent" by any means. The issue is, where we know more than a few examples of where American was put at a disadvantage due to a businessman's "Indian" connections or employees. That's not right, its a violation of the law and very unethical.

 

[Gauss]

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Some Filipinos exchanged their tropical islands for Alaska! Yea right.
On another note mexican immigration proves that Catholics are still the stronger ones in American government, who have no objection to the mass arrival of their catholic brethren from mexico. Occasional noise by non-catholics is easily brushed aside.
Somalians in Maine! lol

 

[Kaniska]

What's this post about? You went on and on about China being a US competitor (which has NOTHING to do with the topic), then a German saying too many South Asians aren't good and instead of giving some real evidence as to why, you put in that he was being racist, to people having tough time in Pakistan, to American with fake credentials (which is like 1% to about 45% of the Indian population here in the US) and all the other stuff.

The ONLY thing in your post related to the topic was, why the US government hasn't taken the steps to capture people doing visa fraud. Well, if you actually READ my post and see the links in there, there is plenty of evidence and cases provided with many companies were fined millions of dollars. If hundreds of people on H1B visa are being used for other purposes by their employers, but they legally issue a check to them, that's how far the government can go to check. They can't monitor millions of H1B's 24*7 to see what they are doing and if they are violating the law. As long as these guys are here with a valid visa and a check to prove they are still employed by the same company who sponsored them, that's how far the law goes. I've actually heard from one of my employees from India, just a couple of days ago that before he transferred his H1B, his one of the previous employer had 9 people living in a ONE bedroom apartment (about 700 square feet with one tiny bathroom), which was owned by the company. That's how these guys maximize their profits. Plus, he also told me that he knew dozens of people (and per him, its a very common practice), for employers to issue fake checks but actually never transfer the money to employees, while they are in between contracts. So if you are on H1B visa, you go through your savings or be starving if you couldn't find another contract, BUT, the employer will issue you a fake check to comply with the law, and will force you to live with a dozen other people??? This is very common, almost every other Indian company does that.

Frankly speaking, I personally dislike Indian businessmen. Not as individual friends, but in business. Because they play nasty, don't have respect for other humans and can go to the last level of human class, to make profit. The above example is JUST one of many, where their own fellow Indian citizens are forced to live in sub-human conditions in a tiny place, while these guys are educated and make very good money. I am not racist as I've always employed people from India and have treated them well. So well that every time I need something, they're ready to leave their current job and come work for me. But

I think the German you are referring to, had the same issue. In fact, majority of Americans who share my kind of sentiment, do not have an issue with Indian "talent" by any means. The issue is, where we know more than a few examples of where American was put at a disadvantage due to a businessman's "Indian" connections or employees. That's not right, its a violation of the law and very unethical.

Spot on....Even i am in agreement with you for your observation too...These are the exploitation that are done by section of business group which needs punishment....We can have a separate discussion about this issue...I do not want to derail this post...Anyway, this is not everything that all Indian companies do, rather these are the acts performed by people from both Indian as well as our beloved citizen American people too....It is just a matter that your hatred for some obvious reason which is visible, you can only see it from Indian people only....Hey..another thing to mention....Who is the source of all the problem....you can naively blame all the Indian bussiman who does this bussiness but you easily forgot that it is the so called your beloved corporated who has used these outsourcing to max extent where relatively cheaper labour from India is imported here to replace the locals...How come these American bussiness man deserved to be a saint where as Indian bussiness people who are just an executioner of the entire outsourcing cycle are the people to be hated....Your hatred and hypocracy is obvious and visible...Carry on with it...