US found Zia ‘most patriotic liar’ on nukes, reveal declassified memos

[Psychic]

Yes, you can look it this way:

Its in Israel's main interest that Iran does not get any nukes, yet it's not negotiating any nuclear deal with Iran, but P5+1 world powers. Most of these big powers have no issues with Iran having nukes except Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Israeli lobby or Jewish lobby to be precise has a great influence on foreign policies of world powers since WW1.

 

[syedali73]

Not really.......there has been no proof of Asif Zardari being involved in corruption....none that is publicly verifiable (how many times he went to jail and courts and came back clean? How many times Swiss opened and closed his file?).....and the list is long and never ending that probably no one will figure out....does it mean he is not corrupt, just because you cannot 'prove' it?
In absence of verifiable proof, as you demand and proclaim, the common litmus test is what happens out in the open...how it affects others.
2+X=4
Solve for X.......

Now you are giving example of Zardari (tons of proof is there with the agencies) to prove Zia's alleged guilt is too much. If it was true, PPP during her three tenures would have dissected Zia and his family apart like nobody's business. Zardari being corrupt is a common knowledge whereas neither when Zia was alive nor after his death ever blamed for corruption. I am not into argument for the sake of argument business so you please carry on with whatever you believe in. Thanks.

 

[Zarvan]

Not really.......there has been no proof of Asif Zardari being involved in corruption....none that is publicly verifiable (how many times he went to jail and courts and came back clean? How many times Swiss opened and closed his file?).....and the list is long and never ending that probably no one will figure out....does it mean he is not corrupt, just because you cannot 'prove' it?
In absence of verifiable proof, as you demand and proclaim, the common litmus test is what happens out in the open...how it affects others.
2+X=4
Solve for X.......

No man brought allegation of corrupt neither against Bhutto nor Zia they were dam clean on that. Bhutto never fall for this small thing his only hobby was murdering his political opponents.

 

[angelandsoul]

History is learned by the dead people's action that are verifiable. We know horrible mistakes made by Zia with reference to Afghan fasad and there is countless hard and circumstantial proof available. However, whether he was involved in corruption, I'll take this charge seriously only if substantiated with hard evidence. When I said he cant come to answer, was exactly in this context. I'll not take anybody's word for granted rather request for proof. I think you have taken my statement too seriously.

Bhai, I think youre missing the point. I dont believe he was directly corrupt for money etc. He was corrupt in a much more sinister way. For power!!

"Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely!"

Also his minions, allies, and army officers who suddenly became millionaires were corrupt and that is 100% down to him. He had no mandate to be in power by force. He was a murderer a zealot who crushed opposition Had thousands arrested, tortured and much worse,

He was not a nice man. He was in power as a dictator and that is against democracy that Jinnah bought us, also against Islam more importantly!!!!!

Human Rights in Pakistan under General Zia-ul-Haq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[syedali73]

Bhai, I think youre missing the point. I dont believe he was directly corrupt for money etc. He was corrupt in a much more sinister way. For power!!

"Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely!"

Also his minions, allies, and army officers who suddenly became millionaires were corrupt and that is 100% down to him. He had no mandate to be in power by force. He was a murderer a zealot who crushed opposition Had thousands arrested, tortured and much worse,

He was not a nice man. He was in power as a dictator and that is against democracy that Jinnah bought us, also against Islam more importantly!!!!!

Human Rights in Pakistan under General Zia-ul-Haq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

His predecessors were not much different. Please revisit the trail of posts. It was about him being corrupt monetarily.

 

[OrionHunter]

The emissary, veteran US diplomat and translator Vernon Walters, said that Zia was “extraordinarily courteous, relaxed” and explained that he had no knowledge of nuclear weapons development but would check with his subordinates.

A President, and that too from the army, didn't know whether his country was developing nukes??? Wow!

He said he would check with his subordinates!!! Another wow! LOL!

This is farcical! How far will people go to cover up their shenanigans? But this one really takes the cake! Jeeez!

 

[WAJsal]

A President, and that too from the army, didn't know whether his country was developing nukes??? Wow!

He said he would check with his subordinates!!! Another wow! LOL!

This is farcical! How far will people go to cover up their shenanigans? But this one really takes the cake! Jeeez!

Funniest part is they believed him. Americans!

 

[Jf Thunder]

A great liar and the destroyer of Pakistan through forced Saudi Islamization.

your view

A President, and that too from the army, didn't know whether his country was developing nukes??? Wow!

He said he would check with his subordinates!!! Another wow! LOL!

This is farcical! How far will people go to cover up their shenanigans? But this one really takes the cake! Jeeez!

its call lying you know

 

[ice_man]

wow now we glorifying this animal? the man behind afghan muhajiriyin, the man that empowered the Mullahs and set up brain washed madrassahs that are responsible for churning out the talibans of today!!

disgusting this man was the worse thing that happened to Pakistan. his 11 year rule took us back 30 years! in terms of education and tolerance.

 

[Norwegian]

your view

What's your love for that ugly, disgusting man?

 

[Jf Thunder]

What's your love for that ugly, disgusting man?

admiration for his good qualities

 

[Norwegian]

admiration for his good qualities

Like what? A pathological liar, who kept promising elections and thus dragged his illegitimate rule for more than 8 years? Wow!!!

 

[Jf Thunder]

Like what? A pathological liar, who kept promising elections and thus dragged his illegitimate rule for more than 8 years? Wow!!!

um lets seem, Hugh Bhutto the traitor, made your Atomic Bomb, and broke the USSR

 

[Norwegian]

um lets seem, Hugh Bhutto the traitor, made your Atomic Bomb, and broke the USSR

Pakistan's nuclear program was initiated by Bhutto under the leadership of world renowned Pakistani physicist Dr. Abdus Salam. It was however completed during Zia Regime.

If Bhutto was a traitor, then other generals responsible for Dhaka debacle should have been hanged as well. The reason why Bhutto was made a scapegoat while fascist crooks like Yahya were spared speaks volume of justice in Pakistan.

Zia didn't break USSR. CIA in collusion with Arab Jihadists did. Ideological training for Afghan Jihad was provided by CIA, as well as most of its funding. Saudi played its part by encouraging wanna-be Jihadis to travel in Pakistan and start their terror training under CIA-ISI administration. These wannabees drove the Soviets out, yet the Communist regime remained intact in Kabul. It wasn't until ISI actively started supporting these Jihadi militants that their government actually fell and was taken over by Taliban post Zia's death.

 

[Jf Thunder]

Pakistan's nuclear program was initiated by Bhutto under the leadership of world renowned Pakistani physicist Dr. Abdus Salam. It was however completed during Zia Regime.

If Bhutto was a traitor, then other generals responsible for Dhaka debacle should have been hanged as well. The reason why Bhutto was made a scapegoat while fascist crooks like Yahya were spared speaks volume of justice in Pakistan.

Zia didn't break USSR. CIA in collusion with Arab Jihadists did. Ideological training for Afghan Jihad was provided by CIA, as well as most of its funding. Saudi played its part by encouraging wanna-be Jihadis to travel in Pakistan and start their terror training under CIA-ISI administration. These wannabees drove the Soviets out, yet the Communist regime remained intact in Kabul. It wasn't until ISI actively started supporting these Jihadi militants that their government actually fell and was taken over by Taliban post Zia's death.

the one who was made a scapegoat was Gen Niazi, if Bhutto had given Mujib power this would never had happened, Bhutto was the greatest traitor Pakistan could have ever had