Featured US, five other nations want to link South & Central Asia! Will Pakistan Choose CPEC or "APEC"?

[jupiter2007]

Why not both? Play the field. Work some diplomatic magic?

Can NOT trust snake.

China will not allow American access to Gwadar port. If America want to access port, They will have to help develop Pasni.

 

[RedHulk]

Can NOT trust snake.

Who told you trust snake? China and America are neck to neck to destroy each other but they haven't stopped the trade between them. Why can't we do that and get benefit from where ever we can get.
Doesn't APEC mean Asia Pacific economic corridor?

 

[jupiter2007]

Can NOT trust snake.

Who told you trust snake? China and America are neck to neck to destroy each other but they haven't stopped the trade between them. Why can't we do that and get benefit from where ever we can get.

You are too young to understand this. These are just empty promises and nothing else. America only care about their interest and nothing else, they will dump Pakistan to please India.

CPEC: They are against CPEC and they will continue their effort to sabotage CPEC.

FATF: They will push their anti-Pakistan agenda to pressure Pakistan

IMF: Tough law/regulations to make it difficult for us to get any support from IMF

INDIA: Their Foreign policy is to support India, sell them technology & weapons and over look terrorists activists of India in Afghanistan and Balochistan and BJP/RSS activities against minorities.

Blame game: continue to blame Pakistan for their failure in Afghanistan and continue to push Pakistan to go against it’s own interest to please them. In every opportunity both government and political and foreign institutions blame Pakistan and portray us as rogue nation.

Just look at current issues and how American is pressuring Pakistan.

*USA didn’t support Pakistan on
CAA, NRC, issue.

*US State Dept counterterrorism report 'disappointing': Pakistan

*Pakistan disappointed after US blocks move but will pursue terror listing of Indians


We need to push ourselves away from USA and more toward China, Turkey, Russia, Germany and Italy.

 

[Longhorn]

You are too young to understand this. These are just empty promises and nothing else. America only care about their interest and nothing else, they will dump Pakistan to please India.

CPEC: They are against CPEC and they will continue their effort to sabotage CPEC.

FATF: They will push their anti-Pakistan agenda to pressure Pakistan

IMF: Tough law/regulations to make it difficult for us to get any support from IMF

INDIA: Their Foreign policy is to support India, sell them technology & weapons and over look terrorists activists of India in Afghanistan and Balochistan and BJP/RSS activities against minorities.

Blame game: continue to blame Pakistan for their failure in Afghanistan and continue to push Pakistan to go against it’s own interest to please them. In every opportunity both government and political and foreign institutions blame Pakistan and portray us as rogue nation.

Just look at current issues and how American is pressuring Pakistan.

*USA didn’t support Pakistan on
CAA, NRC, issue.

*US State Dept counterterrorism report 'disappointing': Pakistan

*Pakistan disappointed after US blocks move but will pursue terror listing of Indians


We need to push ourselves away from USA and more toward China, Turkey, Russia, Germany and Italy.

Yep.
Us older ones know how the Americans operate and how they have shafted Pakistan repeatedly when the dirty work was done.
The Americans are untrustworthy partners.
This APEC is just a ploy to distract Pakistan and derail CPEC.
Hopefully, our establishment has learned their lessons.

 

[Trango Towers]

Pakistan lies at the crossroads and no one can ignore it. So it doesn't need to choose. it just needs to sit pretty and business will come

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Observers in Washington warned that efforts to build two parallel trade routes will increase pressure on Pakistan to choose one.

What is the US offering Pakistan from a long term strategic perspective to convince it to support 'APEC'?

NSG waiver & path to membership similar to India?
Membership to other strategic groups like the MTCR, Wassenaar Group, Australia Group?
Preferential trade access?
Liberalized visa regime for skilled workers?

 

[RedHulk]

You are too young to understand this. These are just empty promises and nothing else. America only care about their interest and nothing else, they will dump Pakistan to please India.

CPEC: They are against CPEC and they will continue their effort to sabotage CPEC.

FATF: They will push their anti-Pakistan agenda to pressure Pakistan

IMF: Tough law/regulations to make it difficult for us to get any support from IMF

INDIA: Their Foreign policy is to support India, sell them technology & weapons and over look terrorists activists of India in Afghanistan and Balochistan and BJP/RSS activities against minorities.

Blame game: continue to blame Pakistan for their failure in Afghanistan and continue to push Pakistan to go against it’s own interest to please them. In every opportunity both government and political and foreign institutions blame Pakistan and portray us as rogue nation.

Just look at current issues and how American is pressuring Pakistan.

*USA didn’t support Pakistan on
CAA, NRC, issue.

*US State Dept counterterrorism report 'disappointing': Pakistan

*Pakistan disappointed after US blocks move but will pursue terror listing of Indians


We need to push ourselves away from USA and more toward China, Turkey, Russia, Germany and Italy.

Tell me one thing that will create a negative impact on C5+1 trade through Gawadar? Its like they are giving us the key to C5+1 trade.
If things go south we can always block it as we won't be getting any investment as infrastructure is already there.

 

[jupiter2007]

Tell me one thing that will create a negative impact on C5+1 trade through Gawadar? Its like they are giving us the key to C5+1 trade.
If things go south we can always block it as we won't be getting any investment as infrastructure is already there.

1) China will never allow USA in Gwadar port. It's un-written agreement between Pakistan and China.
2) These are just promises and nothing else. Let's wait and see what they are going to do in next 5 years.
3) They want to use Pakistani Port, they can help build Pasni port and required infrastructure there.

 

[LeGenD]

All these countries can be connected and integrated via CPEC.
Why do the Americans need to be involved?
The Americans are unreliable and untrustworthy.
They have a history of walking away once there strategic objectives are achieved, leaving someone else holding the baby.
The Americans are bad news.

American business community does not backstab or deceive any country by large. There is far greater likelihood of being back-stabbed by an Asian business entity when dealing with one in personal capacity - I know from experience.

American business community is always looking forward to do business with others. American politics is a different matter whatsoever.

Let us be honest with each other. Both countries have mismanaged the bilateral relationship; not a one-sided issue (Hussain Haqqani anyone?).

If Pakistan devise a COHERENT foreign policy and a geopolitical roadmap to adhere to - Americans will know what to expect in the long-term and fall in line. Not just Americans, this is true for all foreign politicians. This is not possible with political sellouts in our ranks however.

Lesson is simple: do not oblige American/foreign politicians to win favors at personal capacity (Pakistani politicians emphasized), they will not be under any illusion consequently. Be straightforward and upfront in your dealings with them. Do not compromise on economic considerations for your country; issue contracts to foreign entities on MERIT.

Political sellouts are always looking forward to make properties abroad and facilitate money-laundering schemes for the needful. These politicians are guilty of making shady dealings with foreign entities - interests of the country are not the priority. This dynamic should be nipped in the bud if Pakistan is to prosper and not compromise on its interests.

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Trade with American business community has grown significantly in recent years:

1. https://www.ustradenumbers.com/country/pakistan/
2. https://tradingeconomics.com/pakistan/imports/united-states
   
3. https://tradingeconomics.com/pakistan/exports/united-states

Pakistan have Trade SURPLUS with USA (EXPORTS > IMPORTS); this is 'net-positive' for domestic economy.

Trade DEFICIT introduces a gap between IMPORTS and EXPORTS of a country, and puts strain on the economic outlook by extension. If this gap widens, the country is under risk of falling into DEBT TRAP to make ends meet which is the case with Pakistan.

Solution is to reduce the gap between IMPORTS and EXPORTS and facilitate growth of domestic industries for the needful.

Have a look at Trade DEFICIT with China; you will be screaming. Reason is simple: China is a manufacturing juggernaut and respective Pakistani governments did little to uplift domestic industries. China is giving us CPEC to offset this dynamic in theory but this is contingent upon decision-making of Pakistani governments; to allow Pakistani business community to capitalize on this initiative. The SEZs - let us see how these pan out in the long-term.

There will always be CRITICS of any project whatsoever. This is human nature. Why WE get ticked by what a foreigner has to say about CPEC? Just don't be and carry on with the good work.

If CPEC turns into a success story (hopefully) - it will be an economic model to tout in the years to come. Let the work do the talking.

LAST;

If somebody, or an entity, is giving empty promises - show it the door. Very simple.

 

[Capt. Karnage]

APEC includes Islamaphobic Terrorist India and unreliable America.... I choose CPEC.

So are you a jernail of pakistani army or some minister? Btw cpec is dead already. Most of the countries are now angry with China and are stopping trade with them. They are destined to sink along with their vassals.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Apart from CPEC there is another Major Project that will link Pakistan with Central Asia and China is a part of it.
CAREC
QTTA transit trade deal will link Uzbekistan with Pakistan via CPEC
I personally Welcome US Investment in Pakistan US cant afford to loose Pakistan completely and they know it and as i always say never put all your eggs in the Same basket. We did it with US but we must make sure we dont repeat the same mistake. If US wants rebuild the trust it has lost in Pakistan it should Invest in Pakistan on the same scale china is doing.

 

[YeBeWarned]

The difference is that US wants a slave, escape goat , on the other hand China wants a ally ..I think the choice is clear in Pakistani establishment , America could have done a better job but they lost the friendship of Pakistan for India , and What I don't understand if Pakistan is such terrorist country that you want to keep us in Grey list, US often call our state harboring Terrorist , than why not just leave us alone ? let the relationship keep it to minimum of just some trading ?

 

[Capt. Karnage]

1) China will never allow USA in Gwadar port. It's un-written agreement between Pakistan and China.
2) These are just promises and nothing else. Let's wait and see what they are going to do in next 5 years.
3) They want to use Pakistani Port, they can help build Pasni port and required infrastructure there.

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China is in no position to dictate terms to anyone. Btw US wants China out of the global supply chain, your gawadar has no significance for them.

 

[Clutch]

So are you a jernail of pakistani army or some minister? Btw cpec is dead already. Most of the countries are now angry with China and are stopping trade with them. They are destined to sink along with their vassals.

So are you a Hitler of the internet... ?

Everyone is entitled to my opinion...

 

[danger007]

China is in no position to dictate terms to anyone. Btw US wants China out of the global supply chain, your gawadar has no significance for them.

Actually china can, when the things not well
.... china may threaten even pakistan... it just depends on their interests... there are no permanent friends or enemies..