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US Drone Strikes In Pakistan

Agreed ,

Absence of lords and execellent education system at grass root level plays important role in indian growth.

India Invested a lot in education after independence thanks to Nehru he started the IIT's and later IIM's .The later politicians did not do much.

Some people don't know about Mid-day Meal Scheme (Free lunch and books for all school going kids ) its started by one of our CM KAMRAJ in Tamil Nadu and later followed it in all states. It changed a lot by bringing kids at least for meals to schools. It increased the attendance.

This is one of the best scheme implemented and running successfully.

Mid-day Meal Scheme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
India Invested a lot in education after independence thanks to Nehru he started the IIT's and later IIM's .The later politicians did not do much.

Some people don't know about Mid-day Meal Scheme (Free lunch and books for all school going kids ) its started by one of our CM KAMRAJ in Tamil Nadu and later followed it in all states. It changed a lot by bringing kids at least for meals to schools. It increased the attendance.

This is one of the best scheme implemented and running successfully.

Mid-day Meal Scheme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I agree with the benefits of the mid day meal per child scheme...It's something that Pakistan should look into, and maybe do something along the same lines.
 
US, Pakistan have tacit accord on Predator strikes: report


Sunday November 16, 2:44 PM
yahoo news.com


WASHINGTON (AFP) - The US and Pakistani governments have reached a tacit agreement on Predator strikes on Pakistani territory, under which Islamabad allows them while continuing to complain about them and Washington never acknowledges them, The Washington Post reported Sunday.

Citing unnamed senior officials in both countries, the newspaper said that under this don't-ask-don't-tell policy, unmanned US drones have fired missiles at Pakistani soil at an average rate of once every four or five days recently.

The deal coincided with a suspension of ground assaults into Pakistan by US special forces, the report said.

The paper said Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari told it in an interview last week that he was aware of no ground attacks since one on September 3 that his government vigorously protested.

A senior Pakistani official said the US-Pakistani understanding over the airstrikes was "the smart middle way for the moment," The Post reported.

Former Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf, the official said, "gave lip service but not effective support" to the Americans.



"This government is delivering but not taking the credit," the paper quoted the official as saying.

From December to August, when Musharraf stepped down, there were six US Predator strikes in Pakistan, according to The Post. Since August, there have been at least 19.

The most recent occurred Friday, when local officials and witnesses said at least 11 people, including six foreign fighters, were killed, the paper said.

The attack demolished a compound owned by Amir Gul, a Taliban commander said to have ties to Al-Qaeda, in North Waziristan.
 
Pakistan's Flawed Counterinsurgency Is the Problem, Not U.S. Strikes

Pakistani politicians continue to blame U.S. airstrikes against Taliban and al Qaeda camps in the lawless tribal areas for alienating the public, but refuse to address their own problems in conducting counterinsurgency operations. The latest objection to U.S. military airstrikes comes from President Asif Ali Zardari and Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi during a meeting with Secretary of State Rice. Qureshi's comments are particularly interesting.


"These drone attacks are unproductive, and they are contributing to alienation as opposed to winning people over," Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said in an interview Wednesday night.

Qureshi spoke after briefing Pakistani journalists on what he described as Zardari's 20-minute meeting with Rice and another private gathering between Zardari, Afghan President Hamid Karzai and King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia...

"And there is a collateral damage which we must avoid," Qureshi recounted, referring to U.S. strikes that have inadvertently killed civilians. "In fact, what is required is more sharing of intelligence information. What is required is building Pakistan's capacity to deal with insurgency."


The United States has been conducting strikes in North and South Waziristan because intelligence strongly believes al Qaeda's next attack on the west will originate from there. Al Qaeda and the Taliban have scores of camps in the region, which crank out suicide bombers as well as fighters for Afghanistan. The Pakistani military said it has no intention of going into the Waziristans. The Army has taken a serious beating each time it tried.

But most interestingly are Qureshi’s comments about the U.S. strikes alienating the Pakistani population. Perhaps he should look into how his own military is fighting in the Taliban stronghold of Bajaur. As the Washington Post reported this week, the Army is coercing the tribes to fight the Taliban, and bombs their villages if they won't. The military is over relying on artillery and airstrikes to attack the Taliban inside towns. Entire towns have been reduced to rubble. These actions alienate the Pakistanis living in the tribal areas far more than any U.S. airstrike.

The Pakistani military has been fighting in the tribal areas on and off for seven years since the Sept. 11 attacks. Yet they refuse to learn the hard lessons of counterinsurgency. The U.S. would not be forced to hit al Qaeda havens if Pakistan would get its act together and take the Taliban insurgency seriously.

Posted by Bill Roggio on November 13, 2008
 
Blah blah Roggio ...

Go eat some poppy, plenty of it under NATO's brilliant counter insurgency and Afghan stabilization plan.
 
Asia Times Online :: South Asia news, business and economy from India and Pakistan


Pakistan torn over its tribal areas
By Syed Saleem Shahzad

KARACHI - With the winter snows fast approaching, Pakistan's security forces face a race against time over whether or not to pull out of the Swat Valley in North-West Frontier Province (NWFP), where for the past one-and-a-half years they have been fighting a losing battle against militants.

The militants occupy about 80% of the strategically vital area near the border with Afghanistan and have managed to choke most supply lines. General Headquarters in Rawalpindi realizes that should the more than 10,000 troops there not be pulled out, they will face a dire war of attrition, but if they leave, the militants will gain strength.

Kabal and Kanju are the only war theatres left in the valley with battles raging and with the military in partial control, but come winter, its supply lines will be compromised. The militants are able to sustain themselves, partially as a result of having captured numerous army supply trucks and containers.

The dilemma for the army is that if it does retreat under the guise of a peace treaty, it will allow the Taliban to strengthen its bases even further in preparation for the next offensive in Afghanistan in the spring. The anticipation is that the Taliban will receive an unprecedented boost in recruits.

As in the Bajaur Agency, the army has failed in the Swat Valley as the troops are mostly ethnic Pashtun, as are the people against whom they are fighting. As a result, there has been an over-reliance on air power, which only serves to drive the militants temporarily into the mountains or into Afghanistan.

Once the militants retreat, the army does not try to take command of the ground as it rightly fears guerrilla attacks and the militants come back. This hide and seek game has given the militants the upper hand in NWFP and significantly fueled the Taliban-led insurgency in Afghanistan.

After its failure to make headway in Bajaur, the army went into Mohmand Agency, in Federally Administered Tribal Areas from where fresh fighters and supplies were aiding the Taliban in Bajaur.

This opening of a new front against powerful commander Abdul Wali had a cascading effect. Much of the population moved to the capital of NWFP, Peshawar, and other places, allowing the Taliban to open up fronts in the towns of Sabqadar and Michini, situated on the northern edges of Peshawar.

In the past few days the Taliban have infiltrated into Peshawar, where they have killed a worker of USAID, the American government's development arm, and abducted an Iranian diplomat.
In Khyber Agency, unmanned US Predator drones have targeted the Tera Valley, but have failed to hit any targets of significance. However, in the process, pro-government, anti-al-Qaeda militants belonging to the Vice and Virtue organization of slain Haji Namdar have agreed to join hands with the local Taliban to fight against foreign troops in Afghanistan.

The drone attacks were carried out last week, and since then North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) supply convoys have been looted frequently. Pakistani newspapers have published pictures of militants moving around in NATO armored personnel carriers.

This new alliance will strengthen militant attacks in Afghanistan's Nangarhar province, which has been quiet for the past several months. On Thursday, the Taliban attacked a NATO convoy in Nangarhar near the city of Jalalabad. NATO said that several Afghan soldiers were killed while the Taliban claimed the killing of five NATO soldiers.

It's going to be a very long winter for the Pakistani army, whether it stays in the tribal areas or whether it retreats, while next spring could be the hottest ever in Afghanistan.

Syed Saleem Shahzad is Asia Times Online's Pakistan Bureau Chief. He can be reached at saleem_shahzad2002@yahoo.com
 
"American are now feeling the heat of boiling water and shall try to jump out at any cost."

Quit projecting your desires. We're not leaving anytime soon and, in fact, are upping the ante.
 
"And there is a collateral damage which we must avoid," Qureshi recounted, referring to U.S. strikes that have inadvertently killed civilians. "In fact, what is required is more sharing of intelligence information. What is required is building Pakistan's capacity to deal with insurgency."

Bingo, but will capacity building alone be enough? How about reudcing Predator attacks (Hearts and Minds)... ? But ATAP has already been helping develop Pakistani LE capacity for the past 4 years and that has had little or no effect.
 
S-2 what did you guys grain in IRAQ/AFGHANISTAN??a toilet economy?a country called state of beggers??where ppl can't pay 20 dollars credit card bill at the end of month?
700 billion dollar package to survive?more than 1.2 trillion dollars on war on terror or war of failure?
where is that FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION gone? America is a failed state now get on with life..the show has ended S2 we know now how US can be choke slammed.
 
S-2 what did you guys grain in IRAQ/AFGHANISTAN??a toilet economy?a country called state of beggers??where ppl can't pay 20 dollars credit card bill at the end of month?
700 billion dollar package to survive?more than 1.2 trillion dollars on war on terror or war of failure?
where is that FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION gone? America is a failed state now get on with life..the show has ended S2 we know now how US can be choke slammed.

I don't think you want to try and go after the US from an economic perspective - at least they aren't looking towards the IMF for a bailout.

The US by no means a 'failed state', not even close. It continues to have a vibrant and creative populace, and strong well and developed institutions, public and private, that channel the talent of its human resource where it needs to be.

Militarily and economically she has no equal, and won't for a long time. Before you start writing her obituary, I would suggest you glance at the turmoil she went through during the Great Depression and how she rose from that.

Nations will have always have peaks and dips - it is how they struggle through and come out stronger that is important, and US history on that count is something to be respected.
 

Logic,

That article has already been posted in the Bajaur thread.

I don't care for Roggio because a few weeks ago he had his cockamamie story about Pakistan's claims about the militant leaders the Pak Military had killed, and we went through that whole thing on this forum. After all said and done, only a few of the leaders he mentioned had actually been claimed killed definitively by the ISPR, all the others had qualifiers attached to the statements issued by Pakistani officials - yet this hack decided to twist the entire thing to imply the PA was lying through its teeth.

His bias against Pakistan is pretty obvious.
 
I don't think Pakistan policy is as flawed as predicted by journalists. The army is rightly going after the terrorists in the tribal areas first and only trying to hold out in Swat. I think if these elements are defeated in tribal areas then swat terrorists shall also be weakened considerably and them army can concentrate on them.

Every army has limitations and so does our. We can't open all fronts at the same time. Lets take care of more important target and then go after the second one.

Since Americans have an ego problem they are not going to accept their faults and shall always find some scapegoat. In Iraq it is Iran & Syria and here its us.

Forget about what they are saying and concentrate on objective only.
 
Sir Agnostic i do understand ur sympathy with fella US tell me where did all those brains go who planned war on Iraq and Afghanistan?hiding....A so called super power gone down the drain cuz of these weak nations like Iraq/.afghans what is US going to do if it goes against Russians or Chinese? or even an organized well trained PAK Armed forces?
Yeah Yeah i hear ya well develop institutions those filing bankruptcies lol?talk about strength i guess they forgot they'll have a toilet economy and forgot a backup plan...Before you suggest me to see where it was how it rose let me tell you a nation cannot survive for long poking and fingering into others land i saw IRAQ/Afghanistan examples this shows how Americans backbone crushed just fighting men with almost out of small arms/weapons. If US got such a bad beating as its evident its not worthy of being called super power Remember:
3:54 "And (then unbelievers) plotted and planned and Allah too planned and the best of planners is Allah"
Don't argue with me on this account that's how Allah taught a lesson for their aggression on foreign lands do not project American as the God's land ur giving some wacky ideas impressions about US they are not God. I Believe God's plan was to bring them a toilet economy i see it u saw it too.
 
I Believe God's plan was to bring them a toilet economy i see it u saw it too.

So how do you describe God's plan for Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iran, given the shambles our economies find themselves in?
 
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