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US Drone Strikes In Pakistan

This news about our Air Chief giving out these comments, should not be a surprise to anyone, because PAF has the ability with them from some time now, if you guys recall the downing of the Indian drone(Heron) in 2002, i think using an F-16 which fired an AIM 9 missile at it.

So my point is; if we could down Israeli made Heron drones in 2002, we surely can down Amercian made predator drones, the decision is now on the Government:sniper:
 
the decision is now on the Government

that my friend is the million $ question!
 
Pakistan raid a sign of sharper US intelligence

By CHRIS BRUMMITT

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) — A U.S. missile strike that killed a British militant linked to a jetliner bomb plot points to sharper American intelligence in Pakistan's borderlands, but is unlikely to lessen anger over the raid and others like it, analysts say.

Protesters Sunday urged Islamabad to sever ties with the United States over the strike — highlighting the risks for Washington as it seeks to eliminate extremists along the Afghan border yet also support Pakistan's democratically elected government.

Pakistani intelligence officials say British citizen Rashid Rauf and a Saudi militant named Abu Zubair al-Masri were among five people killed in Saturday's raid in North Waziristan.

There was no independent confirmation of Rauf's death from either the U.S. or Britain, which had been seeking Rauf's extradition before he escaped from Pakistani custody in December 2007.

Pakistani officials discussing the case insisted on anonymity because of the sensitivities of U.S. operations on the country's soil.

Washington has unleashed at least 20 suspected missile attacks on militant targets close to the Afghan border since mid-August, a dramatic increase that reflects its frustration with Pakistan's own efforts.

Islamabad insists it has no knowledge of the raids, which it says undermine the country's sovereignty, undercut its anti-terror campaign and make it harder to justify its alliance with Washington.

But many analysts speculate it has cut a secret deal with the U.S., though Islamabad continues to publicly criticize the strikes.

"It is next to impossible for the government to acknowledge working with the Americans, even if it is in the country's interests," said Samina Ahmed, the South Asia project director for the International Crisis Group.

Ahmed and other analysts said the raids appeared to be getting more successful in targeting foreign, typically Middle Eastern, militants.

Last Friday, an al-Qaida member identified as Abdullah Azam al-Saudi was reported killed in a missile strike outside of the tribal regions where most others have hit,

Pakistani officials have said many of the victims were civilians, including women and children.

"There are American informants who are doing a far better job than they once did," she said.

Osama bin Laden and other top al-Qaida and Taliban leaders are believed to be hiding in Wazirstan or neighboring regions, possibly planning more attacks on the West.

Fighters blamed for carrying out and planning attacks on Western forces in Afghanistan also use the rugged region as a staging post, military officials say.

Without directly admitting to being behind the raids, U.S. officials have said recently that several ranking al-Qaida operatives had been killed in the border region in recent months.

Rauf, who is of Pakistani origin, was perhaps one of the most significant yet.

Britain was seeking his return ostensibly as a suspect in the 2002 killing of his uncle there, but Rauf had allegedly been in contact with a group in Britain planning to smuggle liquid explosives onto trans-Atlantic flights and also with a suspected al-Qaida mastermind of the plot in Afghanistan.

The plot's revelation in August 2006 prompted a major security alert at airports worldwide and increased restrictions on carryon items.

A London jury convicted three men in the case in September.

The U.S. raids are deeply unpopular among many ordinary Pakistanis, many of whom are already angry with their leader's support for the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan.

About 100 people in the eastern city of Multan demonstrated against the strike, chanting "Down with America" and burning an effigy of President George W. Bush.

"The government should take concrete measures to protect the country's sovereignty instead of just paying lip service," said one demonstrator, Arif Fasihullah.

Talat Masood, a retired military general and political analyst, said America's interests would be better served if it shared intelligence with Pakistan and allowed it to act.

But U.S. officials have suggested that elements of Pakistan's intelligence and military — which supported the Taliban's rise to power in Afghanistan — may be sympathetic to the extremists.

"There is a lack of trust here, but the danger is that the government is looking helpless, while anti-American sentiment is growing with each incoming missile," said Masood. "Ultimately, you need the support of the people in fighting this war."

Associated Press writers Khalid Tanveer in Multan, Pakistan, and Nancy Zuckerbrod in London contributed to this report.
 

From "the Long War Journal"
US strike in North Waziristan kills 3

By Bill Roggio
November 29, 2008 7:06 AM

The US launched another unmanned Predator aircraft strike in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal areas, according to reports from the region.

The Predator fired several Hellfire missiles at a Taliban and al Qaeda safe house in North Waziristan. The strike took place in Chashma, a village on the outskirts of Miramshah, the main town in the tribal agency, Reuters reported.

"A missile was fired at a house owned by one Taj Mohammad, and we have reports of two men killed," a Pakistani intelligence agency official told the news agency.

At least three people have been reported killed, according to the Xinhua news service. The target of the strike is unknown. No senior Taliban or al Qaeda leaders have been reported killed in the attack.

The majority of US strikes inside of Pakistan's northwest have taken place inside North Waziristan. The al Qaeda-linked Haqqani family and Taliban warlord Hafiz Gul Bahadar operate in North Waziristan. The Haqqani Network has a strong presence in Miramshah region of North Waziristan.

Background on the recent strikes inside Pakistan

Today's attack is the fifth this month and the first since Nov. 21, when a safe house hosting a meeting in North Waziristan that included al Qaeda operatives Rashid Rauf and Abu Zubair al Masri was hit. Both Rauf and Zubair are thought to have been killed, however this has not been confirmed. Rauf's family claimed his is still alive. On Nov. 19, the US hit an al Qaeda safe house in Bannu. This was the first recorded US strike outside of Pakistan's tribal areas.
 
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From DAWN today:

Sunday, November 30, 2008

Three killed, two injured in ‘drone’ attack

MIRANSHAH: At least three people were killed and two injured in a missile attack by a suspected United States drone in Chashma village in North Waziristan Agency, local sources said on Saturday.

They said that the attack targeted the house of a local tribesman Taj Muhammad, around two kilometres south of Miranshah. There was no immediate information about the identity of those killed.

However, official sources denied reports of the suspected drone attack on North Waziristan Agency, APP reported.

“The news of a missile strike on North Waziristan is incorrect,” the official sources said.
US drone attacks on Pakistani territories continue despite the government’s repeated condemnations of unilateral action. The government maintains that such attacks thwart local peace efforts. staff report/app



So, who knows???? Sorry if my previous post was erroneous.
 
government is holding much i miss so much mushraff i hope he was here for Indo-Pak war 2009
 
From The Long War Journal:

US Predator hits Taliban safe house in North Waziristan, kills 4

By Bill Roggio
December 5, 2008 4:01 PM

The US has struck in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal areas for the first time in a week, according to reports from the region.

The Predator fired two Hellfire missiles at a Taliban safe house in North Waziristan. The strike took place in a town outside of Mir Ali, Reuters reported.

At least four people have been reported killed, and "many" more were wounded, Geo News reported." aliban militants immediately surrounded the house and did not allow locals to come near the site, witnesses said." No senior Taliban or al Qaeda leaders have been reported killed in the attack at this time.

Mir Ali is a known stronghold of al Qaeda leader Abu Kasha al Iraq. He has close links to both al Qaeda and the Taliban, a senior US intelligence official told The Long War Journal in January 2007. Kasha was the target of a US strike in Mir Ali on Oct. 31. He survived the attack, according to Taliban fighters in the region, who said he "is healthy and very much in his routine."
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The CIA strikes again ......
 
MQ-9 drones are a tough target, but perhaps not that difficult to intercept. With a payload of 2 Hellfires and turret, and staying within Takeoff weight limitation of 10,000 lbs its endurance is a lot less than 14 hours as advertised. Also it cannot set the initial operational altitude above FL 250. Having a “coke straw” view of the world in hazy environment and typical Waziristan bad weather it has to do target acquisition at much lower altitudes.

MQ-9 are hard to pickup on the radar owing to its low RCS; but the huge propeller lends itself to other techniques. Perhaps suitably equipped ground observers are the best means of detection and tracking.

PAF does not need to use precious assets like the F-16. Simple gun armed FT-5’s and K-8’s are enough. The pilots have to undergo special training, and the patrols have to be persistent.

Just 2 or 3 interceptions and loss of wreckage will be enough to induce a rethink.
 
I hope JF17 gets the first kill... A few months to go... 4 exactly.

But the politics are not willing to do it. It is a deal between US and Pak. One way you kill bad elements and the other way you use it as something to stay in power... Cause a mutual enemy (drones) keeps your mind away from the daily problems thanks to this government...
 
I hope JF17 gets the first kill... A few months to go... 4 exactly.

But the politics are not willing to do it. It is a deal between US and Pak. One way you kill bad elements and the other way you use it as something to stay in power... Cause a mutual enemy (drones) keeps your mind away from the daily problems thanks to this government...

By George, Munir Sir!! I think you've got it. For the present, the Pak leaders must feel that the plus/minus balance is in favor of letting the drones alone. It may take a real bad mistake, like hitting a children's hospital, to re-energize the outrage. Drone strikes are becoming "old news" in the Pakistani press. Now, with serious dust-up with India going on, the Pak newspapers have bigger fish to fry. Even on this forum, not many members are paying attention to the drones in view of all of the other "stuff" happening. So, CIA: Fire when ready!!! Sir!!
 
But why is a kill required by a fighter plane?

As S-2 claimed earlier, the drone flies from Pakistan.
 
It is lot cheaper. SAM are only for Indian intruders.
 
Vinod2070: you did score on this one!
It would be rather cute to shoot them down and pretend you dont know they took of from bases in Pakistan!. The truth comes out when ..... hits the fan!
 
Vinod,

"As S-2 claimed earlier, the drone flies from Pakistan."

I'm no longer so certain. They could still well be. There's little doubt that an agreement was reached to that effect last February or so and was the common consensus. Whether that's still the case, I'm unsure.

In any case, it's becoming less relevant. What's more relevant is the clear Pakistani hand in the targeting process. The efficacy is now, by comparison to the past, through the roof. So too the number of strikes. More and better.

We know from Gen. McKiernan's recent comments that there's a data link direct to a combined U.S./Pakistani C3I facility near Khyber. That's most relevant.
 
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