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US delegation led by General Kenneth F. Mc Kenzie Jr, Commander US CENTCOM, called on COAS

USA did a very good decision to pull out of Afghanistan right in time. But then the planners of 9/11 jumped into the matter, to keep USA in Afghanistan. Now USA will only pull out of Afghanistan when she will be dead. I predict today, that the last helicopter that will be sent to carry the remaining US staff, will also be shot down on return journey .
 
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Well, spotted!

What we see before us is the emerging dialectics of OurMiltaryDiplomacy....hence, different protocols.

A pointer: When the Chinese PLA Cheif was in town... it was full dress. Now with our US partners it was business like... protocol... no ties! Just standard business suits...

Without reading the tea leaves... it must be given that we are not taking anymore orders...and certainly ZERO do-morez... it is business now.....

Our dues need to be released pronto..and also this drama with FATF needs to go where it came from.

Regarding, Kashmir it is in our interests that Yanks behave neutral. We don't need any mediation... just implementations of resolutions already made. Period.

Chief was relaxed and so was his team... indicating a detached confidence in dealing with DaAmericanz... unlike a few years back when we used to go to any length.....

I say.. we are moving in the right direciton. All what is missing is HyperAgressiveDiplomacy from GoP!

We are expecting a peaceful western border so the less stretching and mor consistency on the Eastern side. There is possibility that D.C can play & favour Delhi a bit by keeping us undecided & not so comfortable due to Afghanistan. However, Chef does know that there are more than one parties interested to see Sam bleeding in Afghanistan.

D.C shall not try to play smart and they already know that hence, talks are now held in total different paradigm as compare to past. Things are moving accurately. Any deceptive move by D.C. that used to do in past; will gonna cost them more than us this time so I don't think that any party will try to dodge or cheat at all.
 
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From the looks of it, Afghan deal is shattering by every passing day
Currently I am afraid that we might have to face two active zones at both of our eastern and western borders, after the failure of current negotiations Taliban will increase their pressure on Afghan regime by increasing number of attacks and try to derail the coming election of Afghanistan and I don't think they would agree for any new session of dialogues before the cancellation Afghan elections.

If this happen this will open doors for full scale civil war at our western front, now keep in mind not only ISIS has establish itself in Afghanistan, but son of Ahmed Shah Masood is also reorganising the militia which mean we will have effectively 3 main militias in Afghanistan who would go into fighting a Civil war while other small factions would also sides with any of these main groups ..... situation will become more complex as the ANA would dissolve in such scenario and US would not be in position to effectively control the situation either militarily or politically

In this situation for Pakistan, China, Russia and Central Asian countries elimination of ISIS is more important as its the only group in Afghanistan which is extra regional group and have regional ambitions, therefore situation may demand active participation by these countries in Afghanistan, same as happened in Syria and in Iraq in recent past.

In any such situation Pakistan would face a dilemma because of the current situation of Kashmir and sensing this India might mount their pressure on Pakistan by increasing aggressive posturing or even attempt to take offensive actions, so we might find ourselves in a situation where we have to decide either Afghanistan or Kashmir, but our strategic national interests related to territorial integrity, economic prosperity, political sovereignty dictates our involvement in both ..... to coup the situation successfully we need alliance of regional countries and local players who share common threats and interest in reference of Afghanistan with us ....
 
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From the looks of it, Afghan deal is shattering by every passing day hence hard to get our hands on F-16 ka saalan , still hopeful about AH-Z1 ki biryani as the relationship between both countries on a positive path . But Lets wait until something comes out of Chef (Officials) themselves, until then fingers crossed :victory1:
You'd think the longer it takes the US to get itself out of Afghanistan, the more Pakistan can get out of it. The day the US manages to wash its hands of Afghanistan, that day it'll leave Pakistan in the cold.
 
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You'd think the longer it takes the US to get itself out of Afghanistan, the more Pakistan can get out of it. The day the US manages to wash its hands of Afghanistan, that day it'll leave Pakistan in the cold.

this is indeed what they did after the end of Afghan war, but we can say that from last decade we weren't be able to make a good deal with USA in terms of weapons we can get for the help solving Afghan crisis .
 
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Currently I am afraid that we might have to face two active zones at both of our eastern and western borders, after the failure of current negotiations Taliban will increase their pressure on Afghan regime by increasing number of attacks and try to derail the coming election of Afghanistan and I don't think they would agree for any new session of dialogues before the cancellation Afghan elections.

If this happen this will open doors for full scale civil war at our western front, now keep in mind not only ISIS has establish itself in Afghanistan, but son of Ahmed Shah Masood is also reorganising the militia which mean we will have effectively 3 main militias in Afghanistan who would go into fighting a Civil war while other small factions would also sides with any of these main groups ..... situation will become more complex as the ANA would dissolve in such scenario and US would not be in position to effectively control the situation either militarily or politically

In this situation for Pakistan, China, Russia and Central Asian countries elimination of ISIS is more important as its the only group in Afghanistan which is extra regional group and have regional ambitions, therefore situation may demand active participation by these countries in Afghanistan, same as happened in Syria and in Iraq in recent past.

In any such situation Pakistan would face a dilemma because of the current situation of Kashmir and sensing this India might mount their pressure on Pakistan by increasing aggressive posturing or even attempt to take offensive actions, so we might find ourselves in a situation where we have to decide either Afghanistan or Kashmir, but our strategic national interests related to territorial integrity, economic prosperity, political sovereignty dictates our involvement in both ..... to coup the situation successfully we need alliance of regional countries and local players who share common threats and interest in reference of Afghanistan with us ....
Escalation in Afghanistan is not an option.

No country is willing to dispatch its troops to Afghanistan (with the exception of US); Iran, Russia and China will not commit to this end because each understand how chaotic Afghanistan is and they will maintain a safe distance. The maximum each can do is to continue to provide arms to the Afghan Taliban (if this is even true), but US have the capacity to target/harass these countries in different ways as well. US is already subjecting each to economic penalties as we speak, and can divert their attention to other theaters if necessary. I rather see the trio of Iran, Russia and China, committing to the intra-Afghan dialogue because a chaotic Afghanistan is a problem for each as well, but they also understand that US have the ultimate say in the affairs of Afghanistan at present.

Russian reaction: https://www.rt.com/newsline/468418-russia-trump-afghanistan-taliban/

Very timid, and commitment to the intra-Afghan dialogue is apparent.

Pakistan have CPEC to operationalize, FATF to address, and a dysfunctional economy to fix. A chaotic Afghanistan will undermine foreign investments in Pakistan, split Pakistan's attention between Afghanistan and IOK, and continue to siphon from Pakistan's economy. India can/will benefit from this dynamic, and India is on very good terms with Iran, GCC and Russia on top. And how can we even afford to antagonize US? Let us be realistic in our assumptions. WE couldn't do much about IOK, let alone dominate course of events in Afghanistan.

GOP need to have a serious dialogue with Afghan Taliban, and convince them to work with Donald Trump because he is the only man in power who is resisting pressures of American deep state, and would want to tout about progress in Afghanistan in the upcoming Presidential elections. Options like these are not always on the cards, and should not be taken for granted.

Related post: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/in-l...from-an-american.634758/page-11#post-11759023

American deep state = world's largest military industrial complex. Nobody can put up with this industry and its designs for indefinite period. They are very excited about making Afghanistan even more chaotic then ever before. Prince Eric is just one of the cards for them to play....

some off the record Talks might be a possibility ..
Yes, this seems to be the case.
 
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only if Afghani plaoo is accepted and appreciated by Afghans & US only than we might have a chance to taste these tasty dishes .....
U missing Modi ki Daal too with chapati

These American generals half of their service life spend time in Pakistan esp in GHQ visits lol
Apart from politics they love Pak and hospitality here yes food too. Never heard from American military man been to Pak and had bad words about it. Politicians they are different breeds.
 
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Escalation in Afghanistan is not an option.
Agreed but we are not in position to stop it
No country is willing to dispatch its troops to Afghanistan (with the exception of US); Iran, Russia and China will not commit to this end because each understand how chaotic Afghanistan is and they will maintain a safe distance. The maximum each can do is to continue to provide arms to the Afghan Taliban (if this is even true), but US have the capacity to target/harass these countries in different ways as well. US is already subjecting each to economic penalties as we speak, and can divert their attention to other theaters if necessary.
Active participation does not necessarily mean troops on ground .... active participation can vary country to country based on their strength and capabilities in Afghanistan
I rather see the trio of Iran, Russia and China, committing to the intra-Afghan dialogue because a chaotic Afghanistan is a problem for each as well,
Yes .... but the factor you forget which I explicitly mention in my post is the emergence of ISIS which not only an extra regional entity but also could not be a part of any solution be it Intra-Afhan dialogue or any other solution based on wider political understanding b/w Afghan groups
but they also understand that US have the ultimate say in the affairs of Afghanistan at present.
We can agree to disagree on this .....

I am a firm believer that No single country or a group have 'ULTIMATE' say or could act as ultimate deciding factor for Afghan problem, all have some degree of influence but none have final decision power about the political future of Afghanistan ....
Very timid, and commitment to the intra-Afghan dialogue is apparent.
Currently we are also favouring this and recent trilateral dialogue b/w Pakistan, Afghan regime and China can be taken as prove for this
Pakistan have CPEC to operationalize, FATF to address, and a dysfunctional economy to fix.
exactly these are the factors which I was pointing out when I said strategic national Interest related to economic prosperity, territorial integrity, political sovereignty
A chaotic Afghanistan will undermine foreign investments in Pakistan, split Pakistan's attention between Afghanistan and IOK, and continue to siphon from Pakistan's economy.
exactly, but the issue is we can not stop chaos in Afghanistan going to its worst in near future, our economic development is related to stability in the region but the situation in Afghanistan and Kashmir would not let the region become stable, in context of Afghanistan spillover of civil war will directly increase risk and danger to CPEC and political and social social stability particularly in KPK and Baluchistan region, we would face a new wave of sub-conventional war.
India can/will benefit from this dynamic,
Agreed and I also have pointed out the same in my post ....
and India is on very good terms with Iran, GCC and Russia on top.
but presence of ISIS in Afghanistan is not in the interest of any of the country you mention ..... so our cooperation with those countries in context of Afghanistan should not be effected by relations of India with those countries, here keep one more thing in mind that China is going to invest $250 billion in Iran and it could go up to $400 billion in future so strategic and diplomatic equation of region could change
And how can we even afford to antagonize US?
Why US should get antagonised .... ???

We have done our part by bringing Taliban on the table, we could not guarantee any solution so if the situation go worst which it seems its certain .... we could not be held responsible for the failure of USA in Afghanistan

ISIS has emerged in the presence of US forces in Afghanistan and none of the regional country specially Pakistan can afford the spread of ISIS in the region.
GOP need to have a serious dialogue with Afghan Taliban, and convince them to work with Donald Trump because he is the only man in power who is resisting pressures of American deep state, and would want to tout about progress in Afghanistan in the upcoming Presidential elections. Options like these are not always on the cards, and should not be taken for granted.,
We are in no position to convince Taliban for anything and this is a fact which was proved many times in past, all we can do is open a channel for negotiation and dialogue which we did .....

Now as far as the argument of Trump being a person who could resist American deep state and could win a win-win solution for Afghanistan is concern I need to see any track record of trump where he has successfully concluded any international dialogue on positive note be it with North Korea or Iran or Trade war with China ..... the max I see Trump as a President who might have a wish to end Afghan conflict but not as someone who have the power to deliver on the issue and for this recall the killing of Brother and son of Taliban Supreme leader by NDS when the last session of dialogues for Afghan peace process was in progress in Qatar, even after this Taliban concluded the dialogue and agreed to the peace agreement which mean they delivered the anticipated results. Its the US government which back out from the agreed agreement, so Trump might appear authoritative and decisive person but in reality he actually have to prove this
 
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We are expecting a peaceful western border so the less stretching and mor consistency on the Eastern side. There is possibility that D.C can play & favour Delhi a bit by keeping us undecided & not so comfortable due to Afghanistan. However, Chef does know that there are more than one parties interested to see Sam bleeding in Afghanistan.

D.C shall not try to play smart and they already know that hence, talks are now held in total different paradigm as compare to past. Things are moving accurately. Any deceptive move by D.C. that used to do in past; will gonna cost them more than us this time so I don't think that any party will try to dodge or cheat at all.
America would never want to leave the hotspot in afghanistan which is in proximity to the all major geostrategic play is happening. They may dangle fruits of hope here and there to keep people interested and craving hence easy to reach and detect.

They want a conflict state to remain as is so that they have a reason to stay. Current day strategies are not based on resolving issues in short term but to engage in longterm battle where stronger economic powers choke the lesser powers in a continued fashion...
 
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