US committed to a permanent seat for India in a reformed UN Security Council

[notorious_eagle]

To be honest with you; I am not rooting for India to join the UNSC (not yet) because the UNSC and it way of operating (esp the Veto) is simply an anachronism and it defeats the very purpose of the existence of the UNO. The first reform that must be undertaken is the removal of the Veto. Any Member that has a legitimate and principled stand will carry the day on the basis of that alone.

Very idealistic thinking but far from reality. The Veto Power does indeed defeats the purpose of UNO but its a reality and a very powerful tool. The Status Quo is not anytime letting that go.

Correct about the need to achieve an international status on the basis of Diplomatic Credibility, Economic Strength and Military Power (in that order). That is the way to go. I am very pleased that India has eschewed being part of Military Alliances through the years. That is for either Bullies or Puny People.

True, very smart planning from the Indian side to focus on fixing their house first before having International Aspirations. South Korea is also a good example, but poor buggers have to small of a population to make a dent on the International Stage.

As for bypassing the UNSC; that is happening all the time now; not just by big powers...... even N.Korea.

I disagree with you here. N Korea is a different case because this country is completely messed up, no other leader commands such devotion from his population than Little Kim does. I will see how long any political party in India lasts if the new young little Indians don't get their iPhones or iPads.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Very idealistic thinking but far from reality. The Veto Power does indeed defeats the purpose of UNO but its a reality and a very powerful tool. The Status Quo is not anytime letting that go.




I disagree with you here. N Korea is a different case because this country is completely messed up, no other leader commands such devotion from his population than Little Kim does. I will see how long any political party in India lasts if the new young little Indians don't get their iPhones or iPads.

About the first part: the Veto will have to be scrapped, however much anybody is hauled kicking and screaming... That is the precise reason why the UNSC (even the UNO) is bypassed so many times. Where was the Iran Accord formulated for example ?

About the second part: I just gave an example (an extreme one, tbh) of how countries can and do bypass the UNSC with impunity. Others do it more surreptitiously, perhaps.

If that happens Pakistan should stop brown nosing and leave UN

Of course..... not that it will make a difference to anybody..... anywhere.

 

[mike2000 is back]

India will deserve it more than Russia in a few decades, that was my point. Not today. But they deserve it more today than France. UK in about a decade. The EU needs a single seat, not two. The days that the 800 million people who make up the west, can dictate all they want to 6.7 billion people, need to be over.

Keep dreaming, if that was the case then Germany and Japan would have longgg been given a seat as they 'deserve' it far more than India or any other country outside the P5.

Dont worry, you dont have to say more, we all know you are one of those middle eaatern immigrants whose paeents immigrated to live in the west, yet despise/hate the west. Lool The days the west dictates/leads the world is continuing whether you like it or not, you can help other developing countries more by moving there and helping them grow more instead of helping the very same west you so despise be strong/powerful, since thats exactly what you are doing by living and paying taxes in the west, as it helps western government further their imperialism.

 

[RazorMC]

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True, very smart planning from the Indian side to focus on fixing their house first before having International Aspirations. South Korea is also a good example, but poor buggers have to small of a population to make a dent on the International Stage.
...

I'd rather be part of a poor bugger with massive hi-tech industry than a rich bugger in feudal-age.

 

[Luca1]

It's only a matter of time before India secures it's position in no.3 slot in some of the most important parameters including economy and continue to grow further, and UNSC cannot remain relevant in the long term with the actual major powers remaining outside of it, periodic reforms to reflect the changing global scenario are needed for UNSC's own relevance.

True. But that day is not here yet. Until that day has arrived, India need to wait patiently.

In the mean time, India should stop begging as it make India look weak and desperate.

You are absolutely correct about the UN being an instrument of continuing domination by the Victors of WW2. That was exactly the failing of the League of Nations. Only in case of the UN, the USA took the dominating position and did not allow the other Allied Powers to manipulate it. The USA went even beyond that and set up things like the Marshall Plan to enable re-construction. So much so that the US and the Atlantic Accord (which crystallised the UN) was responsible in ensuring that the British had to leave India.

But that is where it began to peter out and finally end. The Cold War led to a re-formation of the "Allied-Axis" paradigm, USA increasingly took on a mantle of an Imperial Power, the very thing that Franklin Roosevelt had so derided. Deja Vu.....

Change is INEVITABLE.

Those who try to fight it off, will only end up losing face..... and even more.
While the UN will then fall into the "dust-bin of history". Deja Vu......

As of now, it's India that is losing facing as U.S. As others continue to say NO to the incessant Indianbegging. We only say yes when it's off the record. LOL.

It is broken. Three countries that represent some 8% of the world population have 60% of the votes?

We don't think is broken. And ultimately, our view count, and yours dont. It's hard to swallow this fact. But learn to live with it. And work hard to improve your country instead of continue to beg.

Keep dreaming, if that was the case then Germany and Japan would have longgg been given a seat as they 'deserve' it far more than India or any other country outside the P5.

Dont worry, you dont have to say more, we all know you are one of those middle eaatern immigrants whose paeents immigrated to live in the west, yet despise/hate the west. Lool The days the west dictates/leads the world is continuing whether you like it or not, you can help other developing countries more by moving there and helping them grow more instead of helping the very same west you so despise be strong/powerful, since thats exactly what you are doing by living and paying taxes in the west, as it helps western government further their imperialism.

Of all the countries in the world, there is no better example of brain drain than India. Look at how successful Indians are outside of India. And look how miserable of a failure is the Indian nation.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

We don't think is broken. And ultimately, our view count, and yours dont. It's hard to swallow this fact. But learn to live with it. And work hard to improve your country instead of continue to beg.

BALLS; its broken as effin' hell......
As for the WE trying to run the world..... Uncle Sam is in the "Geriatric Ward"; so now Aunt Samantha has to now waltz and pole-dance even India for seeking friends.......
Times up.......

 

[dray]

True. But that day is not here yet. Until that day has arrived, India need to wait patiently.

In the mean time, India should stop begging as it make India look weak and desperate.

It takes time to build up the pressure.

 

[Luca1]

BALLS; its broken as effin' hell......
As for the WE trying to run the world..... Uncle Sam is in the "Geriatric Ward"; so now Aunt Samantha has to now waltz and pole-dance even India for seeking friends.......
Times up.......

Whatever... But the thing that counts is when we said no to open UNSC reform up for debate. And India can't do anything except whine more. And beg more,

 

[DD5]

You know what UNSC is good for? US blocks anti-Israel resolutions, Russia blocks/blocked anti-Indian resolutions, China blocks anti-Pak resolution. India talks the talk but secretly it just wants to rule over and get power. Instead ask UNSC to be abolished.

 

[Luca1]

It takes time to build up the pressure.

There is no pressure by begging. Only actions count. And India need to build itself up first... Remember we just said no to debate about UNSC reform. So what can India do? Mmmmmm nothing.. Except complain more. LOL

 

[انگریز]

About the first part: the Veto will have to be scrapped, however much anybody is hauled kicking and screaming... That is the precise reason why the UNSC (even the UNO) is bypassed so many times. Where was the Iran Accord formulated for example ?

About the second part: I just gave an example (an extreme one, tbh) of how countries can and do bypass the UNSC with impunity. Others do it more surreptitiously, perhaps.




Of course..... not that it will make a difference to anybody..... anywhere.

Oh yes it will make difference in more than one way. Pakistan is the largest contributer towards UN peace keeping forces worldwide.

 

[IR-TR]

True. But that day is not here yet. Until that day has arrived, India need to wait patiently.

In the mean time, India should stop begging as it make India look weak and desperate.



As of now, it's India that is losing facing as U.S. As others continue to say NO to the incessant Indianbegging. We only say yes when it's off the record. LOL.



We don't think is broken. And ultimately, our view count, and yours dont. It's hard to swallow this fact. But learn to live with it. And work hard to improve your country instead of continue to beg.



Of all the countries in the world, there is no better example of brain drain than India. Look at how successful Indians are outside of India. And look how miserable of a failure is the Indian nation.

Dumb shit. Is that the same reason the world has a new lending bank right now? The AIIB? Instead of the IMF/Word Bank? Even after you subhuman Yanks cried and threatened everybody not to join, they said F your mother, and still joined? Same can happen with the UN boy.

Keep dreaming, if that was the case then Germany and Japan would have longgg been given a seat as they 'deserve' it far more than India or any other country outside the P5.

Dont worry, you dont have to say more, we all know you are one of those middle eaatern immigrants whose paeents immigrated to live in the west, yet despise/hate the west. Lool The days the west dictates/leads the world is continuing whether you like it or not, you can help other developing countries more by moving there and helping them grow more instead of helping the very same west you so despise be strong/powerful, since thats exactly what you are doing by living and paying taxes in the west, as it helps western government further their imperialism.

They do. And that's why they're not 'allowed' nukes; another ugly piece of legacy from WW2. Everybody knows Germany was right, and WON ww2, regardless of what some fat pig Churchill said. Before ww2, France and Britain treated Germany like Iran (in a sanctions dog house, castrated military, reparations etc). And then Germany said F your mother and kicked both countries in a month. Until Russia came along and beat Germany. Ask any German, the Russians did the real lifting, not those two phaggot aforementioned countries. If anything, Germany is the only European country deserving of a UNSC seat. But as I said, your atlantic dreams are coming to an end. It's all Eurasia baby. EU-Russia-China. Anybody can feel free to join or have a target on it's back. The US will be isolated like before, just what a big island deserves.

 

[dray]

There is no pressure by begging. Only actions count. And India need to build itself up first... Remember we just said no to debate about UNSC reform. So what can India do? Mmmmmm nothing.. Except complain more. LOL

There is a significant difference between begging and building up diplomatic & political pressure, you won't understand these things though, continue what you do best; trolling.

 

[Hindustani78]

Oh yes it will make difference in more than one way. Pakistan is the largest contributer towards UN peace keeping forces worldwide.

Republic of India contribute more troops, police and military experts compare to Pakistan .

 

[JanjaWeed]

Oh ya..let China support India's bid & see how US will change its tone. U.S will only support India's claim as long as China opposes it. Lets not get carried away with this pep talk...