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Actually, Japan have ways to (and did touch the US mainland) if they have a way to attack Hawaii, and Alaska, they have the mean and way to attack the US Mainland.

The problem is, touching and invading is two different concept. You can bomb (or touch)a country without any direct access route, it's all about mobility and ingeniunity, but to invade someone, there have to be a direct route to have troop on the ground. Even at the begining stage of WW2, US have ways to touch Japanese Homeland, even the closest base is 2000 nautical miles away in Hawaii and Australia, that's what Doolittle Raid is for. Show that US can touch Japanese Homesland, but back then did US have a way to invade Japan? No.

Hence, the question is, what can you do versus what can they do. And in a conventional scenario, China best can do is lob cruise missile over at US Mainland via sub or surface ship or uses the sole carrier to try and bomb US mainland, other than that, there are pretty much nothing Chinese can do. On the other hand, what can US do? US can not only bomb and lob missile, they can also send bomber in for strategic bombing, ambiphious assault, airborne assault, air mobility assault, and all kind of attack toward China, as US have a physical mean to reach Chinese mainland. And the American don't need to win a war in Mainland Chinese to create maximum destruction.

So if you are a Chinese leader, you will have to weight what is the pros and cons, unless China are willing to send nuclear missile over a few Chinese rock in SCS, which translate to Chinese will lose the lot just for some rocks. Or they will lose big in a war with US. Simply because Chinese mainland can be invaded by US, and US mainland cannot be invaded by China.

Again about the would American be able to suffer? Well, as a soldier my self, I did not join the MIlitary because I am patriotic (I am the least patriotic toward the US) I join because that is my job, and I want to do my job. That's why that is called Professional soldier. When you sign up, you have already prepared to be killed and suffer during hardship, that comes with the job title, I cannot say for the whole US Armed Forcees, but majority of the US Armed Force will go fight a war as told, regardless on who they were fighting, there are people sign up during cold war expecting a fight with Russia, there are people sign up expecting a fight in Veitnam, there are people sign up expecting to fight in Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama, Grenada, Somalia. Fighting is fighting, what makes China different? That is what and why these people sign up.

I cannot say, as I am not a policy maker, that would US will in anyway or form or how to attack China, but if that order is given, there will be an attack, and there will be an attack in full force.

By the way, US have been invaded twice, once by Britain in 1812 and another time by Mexico in 1860s



That is not a plan, that is a "hope" and "Wishful Thinking"

You are expecting the Airfield to to the job, with what and how? How long is the defensive perimeter for each airfield, were they mutually supported? Can these airfield receive replensihment regularly so they can keep their fighter fuelled and armed? Those are just a few but important question you failed to explain.

What you are thinking is "Hope" the higher up will be taken care of these, let that be someone else problem. The question is, Chinese Navy isn't really that big, they cannot absorb even a half strength US Navy, and when you put US aliies in the region, that would mean there are virtually no hope for China to survive a naval engagement. The Sea and Airlane would be close and air interdiction will be at full extend, when you cannot supply food, fuel and ammunition to these Island when the US Navy cut off your supply, how do you plan on defending these island?

Quoting Commandore Quinlan from the Movie Jadotville "With What? With a firm tone?"



There is no such of wishful thinking on my part, those artificial island also have the air fuel storages and all the support needed to sustain the deployment of Chinese naval fighters in SCS, those island are the unsinkable Chinese aircraft carrier. Even with only 1 percent chance of defend those island, China still place all of it defensive measure on those island in case of those island under attack.

Those China artificial island are there to stay, no amount of naval threat from the US navy will force China to vacate those island in the SCS.
 
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There is no such of wishful thinking on my part, those artificial island also have the air fuel storages and all the support needed to sustain the deployment of Chinese naval fighters in SCS, those island are the unsinkable Chinese aircraft carrier. Even with only 1 percent chance of defend those island, China still place all of it defensive measure on those island in case of those island under attack.

Those China artificial island are there to stay, no amount of naval threat from the US navy will force China to vacate those island in the SCS.

The highlighted part point directly to where you are being wishful.

A war is basically lost at 1% chance, basically, at that point, you are expecting something appear out of thin air and turn the 99 percentile for you, and it usually (Never say never) would not happen, over 4000 years of known war history, it only happened 3 times over countless war. The first one is how Great Julius Caesar defeated Pompey and rule Roman empire in the imperial dictatorship and disbanded the Republic of Rome. The second time is when the British withstand the assault of Zulu in the battle of Rorke's Drift, the third time is Battle off Samar when the Small unit of Taffy 3 of USN engage and defeated the Japanese Battleship taskforce using ships no bigger than a destroyer.

You do know fuel and provision will not last a month if cut off, so how are you going to fight with no fuel and no ammunition eventually when all these are cutoff?

Again, you are thinking on within your imagination of something will happen. Yet, I have not heard anything solid from you on your detail regarding how to defend these island? With Chinese current navy? Supplying these island is more or less impossible, and unless China have invented teleportation, can you detail me a way Chinese Navy is not being destoryed by the 10 Fleet Carrier, 9 Landing Dock, 76 Destroyer, 24 Cruiser, 18 LCS, and 3000 assorted ship from the Navy and Coast Guard?
 
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There is no such of wishful thinking on my part, those artificial island also have the air fuel storages and all the support needed to sustain the deployment of Chinese naval fighters in SCS, those island are the unsinkable Chinese aircraft carrier. Even with only 1 percent chance of defend those island, China still place all of it defensive measure on those island in case of those island under attack.

Those China artificial island are there to stay, no amount of naval threat from the US navy will force China to vacate those island in the SCS.
lol, "unsinkable" air carrier. I'm keep hearing this term every day from gullible journalist. A mobile moving stealthy air carrier can be chased down and sunken, let a lone a fixed "air carrier" target that does not move. Any fighter jets and SAM batteries parked on this artificial island will be wiped out in a few minutes from missiles launched from submarines, destroyers, B-2, F-35, F/A-18E/F. Where can you hide your fighter jets and SAM batteries on these islands? LOL. You have no where to hide them, their real estate is too small for you to conceal anything. All of your assets on these artificial islands will be taken down before they even have a chance to face the F-22 or F-35, LOL.
 
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Actually, Japan have ways to (and did touch the US mainland) if they have a way to attack Hawaii, and Alaska, they have the mean and way to attack the US Mainland.

The problem is, touching and invading is two different concept. You can bomb (or touch)a country without any direct access route, it's all about mobility and ingeniunity, but to invade someone, there have to be a direct route to have troop on the ground. Even at the begining stage of WW2, US have ways to touch Japanese Homeland, even the closest base is 2000 nautical miles away in Hawaii and Australia, that's what Doolittle Raid is for. Show that US can touch Japanese Homesland, but back then did US have a way to invade Japan? No.

Hence, the question is, what can you do versus what can they do. And in a conventional scenario, China best can do is lob cruise missile over at US Mainland via sub or surface ship or uses the sole carrier to try and bomb US mainland, other than that, there are pretty much nothing Chinese can do. On the other hand, what can US do? US can not only bomb and lob missile, they can also send bomber in for strategic bombing, ambiphious assault, airborne assault, air mobility assault, and all kind of attack toward China, as US have a physical mean to reach Chinese mainland. And the American don't need to win a war in Mainland Chinese to create maximum destruction.

So if you are a Chinese leader, you will have to weight what is the pros and cons, unless China are willing to send nuclear missile over a few Chinese rock in SCS, which translate to Chinese will lose the lot just for some rocks. Or they will lose big in a war with US. Simply because Chinese mainland can be invaded by US, and US mainland cannot be invaded by China.

Again about the would American be able to suffer? Well, as a soldier my self, I did not join the MIlitary because I am patriotic (I am the least patriotic toward the US) I join because that is my job, and I want to do my job. That's why that is called Professional soldier. When you sign up, you have already prepared to be killed and suffer during hardship, that comes with the job title, I cannot say for the whole US Armed Forcees, but majority of the US Armed Force will go fight a war as told, regardless on who they were fighting, there are people sign up during cold war expecting a fight with Russia, there are people sign up expecting a fight in Veitnam, there are people sign up expecting to fight in Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama, Grenada, Somalia. Fighting is fighting, what makes China different? That is what and why these people sign up.

I cannot say, as I am not a policy maker, that would US will in anyway or form or how to attack China, but if that order is given, there will be an attack, and there will be an attack in full force.

By the way, US have been invaded twice, once by Britain in 1812 and another time by Mexico in 1860s

It's undeniable that US still hold advantages over China but don't expect China will sit idlely if US decide to make trouble over SCS and attack our islands, if China had the gut to fight US in Korea with primitive weapons, China will have no hesitation when deal with US directly at their homeland with unrestricted warfare, even with conventional, it will be enough to scare the sh1ts out of Americans because they have habit to see their armies to bombs others countries but will never expected to get bombed. China can use other means such harm US economies and we can sit and watch the ultimate game of Chicken to see which one will be the first to back down.

Throughout China history, China always had the gut to deal with deadly adversaries such as Hun, Turk, Mongol, UN in Korea, India (1962) , U.S.S.R in 1969. If US made any nasty move in SCS, don't expect China to back down so easily.

When I talk about resilience, I meant US population and not the soldier, Americans always enjoy to live on the high living standard and not been disrupted or been uncomforted by war, a simple shooting a black guy had brought US into chaos, I don't want to speculate the American drama if bombs are flying over their head...maybe when Americans feel insecure than they will learn not to make trouble around the world.
 
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lol, "unsinkable" air carrier. I'm keep hearing this term every day from gullible journalist. A mobile moving stealthy air carrier can be chased down and sunken, let a lone a fixed "air carrier" target that does not move. Any fighter jets and SAM batteries parked on this artificial island will be wiped out in a few minutes from missiles launched from submarines, destroyers, B-2, F-35, F/A-18E/F. Where can you hide your fighter jets and SAM batteries on these islands? LOL. You have no where to hide them, their real estate is too small for you to conceal anything. All of your assets on these artificial islands will be taken down before they even have a chance to face the F-22 or F-35, LOL.
All those US submarine, battleship, aircraft carrier are immune to the counter attack? All those f22 or f35 wouldn't be shoot down by Chinese fighter jet? Till there a actual war break out in SCS, we all don't know how China will be able to defend those island, bear in mind China will never leave those island bare naked without any military defensive measure on those island.

The highlighted part point directly to where you are being wishful.

A war is basically lost at 1% chance, basically, at that point, you are expecting something appear out of thin air and turn the 99 percentile for you, and it usually (Never say never) would not happen, over 4000 years of known war history, it only happened 3 times over countless war. The first one is how Great Julius Caesar defeated Pompey and rule Roman empire in the imperial dictatorship and disbanded the Republic of Rome. The second time is when the British withstand the assault of Zulu in the battle of Rorke's Drift, the third time is Battle off Samar when the Small unit of Taffy 3 of USN engage and defeated the Japanese Battleship taskforce using ships no bigger than a destroyer.

You do know fuel and provision will not last a month if cut off, so how are you going to fight with no fuel and no ammunition eventually when all these are cutoff?

Again, you are thinking on within your imagination of something will happen. Yet, I have not heard anything solid from you on your detail regarding how to defend these island? With Chinese current navy? Supplying these island is more or less impossible, and unless China have invented teleportation, can you detail me a way Chinese Navy is not being destoryed by the 10 Fleet Carrier, 9 Landing Dock, 76 Destroyer, 24 Cruiser, 18 LCS, and 3000 assorted ship from the Navy and Coast Guard?
You can't use the WW2 scenario to predict the future naval war in SCS.
 
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It's undeniable that US still hold advantages over China but don't expect China will sit idlely if US decide to make trouble over SCS and attack our islands, if China had the gut to fight US in Korea with primitive weapons, China will have no hesitation when deal with US directly at their homeland with unrestricted warfare, even with conventional, it will be enough to scare the sh1ts out of Americans because they have habit to see their armies to bombs others countries but will never expected to get bombed. China can use other means such harm US economies and we can sit and watch the ultimate game of Chicken to see which one will be the first to back down.

Throughout China history, China always had the gut to deal with deadly adversaries such as Hun, Turk, Mongol, UN in Korea, India (1962) , U.S.S.R in 1969. If US made any nasty move in SCS, don't expect China to back down so easily.

When I talk about resilience, I meant US population and not the soldier, Americans always enjoy to live on the high living standard and not been disrupted or been uncomforted by war, a simple shooting a black guy had brought US into chaos, I don't want to speculate the American drama if bombs are flying over their head...maybe when Americans feel insecure than they will learn not to make trouble around the world.

look, guts alone is not of any matter of modern warfare, sheer bravery might have been able to concentrate on an action in the 50s when Killing Power is not at all resolute like today. No doubt it was brave for the Chinese soldier to charge a Machine Gun line and try to wipe out an American ccompany in Korea war, and it might succeed, but there is a price to pay for the Chinese.

Imagine in today warfare, if you leave cover just to charge your enemy in sheer guts, it achieve nothing, war did not fought in a way when you can try and use primitive method and overrun your enemy. The problem is that, even if China have the way to touch America, it does not change the fact that it does not matter in war, during the course of history, war did not simply end with one country dropping some bomb or missile to unexpected civilian. Germany are not able to do it bombing London during Battle of Britain, the american cannot do it with Bombing Japan and Germany, American cannot do it with Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan. In fact, the American, both Civilian and Military know how effective these bombing can be.

As to the word "American is gonna scare the shit out of them when bomb start dropping on US soil" set aside how you can exactly do that without going thru the whole length of the Pacific without US noticed. The ground reality is, they will not. It's naive to think it can scale the American off with a few bomb to their home, because last time some coutnry did that to Hawaii, we beat the crap out of that country and basically colonize it while the world look on saying "American is out of the fight" All I can say is this, if China is really intended to bomb America, you need to do a better, ALOT better job than the Japanese. Because the moment you bomb America, is the moment 10 Carrier and 9 LHD heading your way with all full might of the US Armed Force at your coast.

Again, I am not expecting China to back down, I am expecting China to fight and lose if a war broke out between US and China. This is how it would goes. You put up a glorious fight, a brave charge to the machinegun, mortar, that is not going to alter the fact that China is going to lose a war in the sea and air had China and US go to war in SCS. You can go and ask 10 worldwell know Strategist from different country and different military regime, they will all tell you the same thing. This is something even Chinese Military authority themselves has not denied. This is a untendable situation for China to hold these island and try to win a running war with the American.

The question is, again, as I suggest, would there be a war to begin with? I can only say what happen if a war happen, predict the outcome, but I cannot predict whether or not a war is going to happen. That's up to people better than you and me to decide. It's no point mulling over the idea of whether or not there will be a war.

You can't use the WW2 scenario to predict the future naval war in SCS.

Why not? You do know the war we fought today is largely the same as the war we fought during WW2.

What we have now that does not have in WW2? Jet fighter? Asssault Rifle? Artillery? Cruise Missile? Nuclear Weapon? Name me one hardwear we have now but not during ww2.

Yes, a tank today is much more armoured and pack a much larger gun (120mm verus king tiger's 88) Anavy ship uses Missile instead of Ack-Ack, a rifle can chamber a lot more bullet than before. Artillery range increased, while reaction time decreased. But in all, wasn't the same weapon we use in WW2 have the same function than the weapon we have today? A destoryer hunting a sub, yes, today submarine is more silent than the old U Boat, but so does the American Destroyer Sonar power. Tank being hunt down by other tank, anti-tank gun/rocket. Fighter fight other fighters, got shot down by other fighters and SAM instead of Ack-Ack. Nothing has actually changed.

Platform upgrade, yet role stay the same, hence if you have any military training at all, you will notice that, the same training they are giving during WW2 is still given in today Advance Individual Training, the only difference? Instead of using a blackboard and pen, you are using Computer and Monitor.

It is the same war, fighting with the same equipment, over the same terrain as war been fought 70 years ago. Yes, Chinese technology is not the same as they were in WW2, but so does the American.

You are not the first one, nor I bet my life on it, the last one to tell me "You can't use what happened in WW2 to predict the outcome today" Why not? When the weapon system perform exactly the same way they did in WW2, which means you re using the same way we fought in WW2, what people don't know, and most of the PDF Chinese here don't know is that. Of course today weapon is more advance, but we are not comparing today weapons with WW2 weapons of yester year, we compare a war between tactics and strategy use between Nations, you compare what IJN have in WW2 to what USN have in WW2, and how they use it, and you compare what USN have in 2017 and what PLAN have in 2017 and you comapre the hardware and how they use it not comapre what it was in WW2 and what it is NOW, because at that point in WW2, both US and Japan are equal in technology, meaning, they can deal out more decisive blow to each other than today battlefield, when US is ahead in technology than China. So yes, I cannot actually copare a war between China and US now with WW2, because in WW2, Japan and US is on par, sometime Japan is actually more advance than the US, but today, China is subpar if we compare to US technology and warfighting experience.
 
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look, guts alone is not of any matter of modern warfare, sheer bravery might have been able to concentrate on an action in the 50s when Killing Power is not at all resolute like today. No doubt it was brave for the Chinese soldier to charge a Machine Gun line and try to wipe out an American ccompany in Korea war, and it might succeed, but there is a price to pay for the Chinese.

Imagine in today warfare, if you leave cover just to charge your enemy in sheer guts, it achieve nothing, war did not fought in a way when you can try and use primitive method and overrun your enemy. The problem is that, even if China have the way to touch America, it does not change the fact that it does not matter in war, during the course of history, war did not simply end with one country dropping some bomb or missile to unexpected civilian. Germany are not able to do it bombing London during Battle of Britain, the american cannot do it with Bombing Japan and Germany, American cannot do it with Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan. In fact, the American, both Civilian and Military know how effective these bombing can be.

As to the word "American is gonna scare the shit out of them when bomb start dropping on US soil" set aside how you can exactly do that without going thru the whole length of the Pacific without US noticed. The ground reality is, they will not. It's naive to think it can scale the American off with a few bomb to their home, because last time some coutnry did that to Hawaii, we beat the crap out of that country and basically colonize it while the world look on saying "American is out of the fight" All I can say is this, if China is really intended to bomb America, you need to do a better, ALOT better job than the Japanese. Because the moment you bomb America, is the moment 10 Carrier and 9 LHD heading your way with all full might of the US Armed Force at your coast.

Again, I am not expecting China to back down, I am expecting China to fight and lose if a war broke out between US and China. This is how it would goes. You put up a glorious fight, a brave charge to the machinegun, mortar, that is not going to alter the fact that China is going to lose a war in the sea and air had China and US go to war in SCS. You can go and ask 10 worldwell know Strategist from different country and different military regime, they will all tell you the same thing. This is something even Chinese Military authority themselves has not denied. This is a untendable situation for China to hold these island and try to win a running war with the American.

The question is, again, as I suggest, would there be a war to begin with? I can only say what happen if a war happen, predict the outcome, but I cannot predict whether or not a war is going to happen. That's up to people better than you and me to decide. It's no point mulling over the idea of whether or not there will be a war.
Win or lose the war in SCS insignificant to China military planner, all it matter how much damage China can inflict on US navy in the SCS, the ability to fight the US navy in the SCS is already a victory in itself. 20 yrs ago China lack the ability to fight the US beyond it shore, for now and in the future China will only grow the ability to confront any adversary within the 1st island chain.
 
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look, guts alone is not of any matter of modern warfare, sheer bravery might have been able to concentrate on an action in the 50s when Killing Power is not at all resolute like today. No doubt it was brave for the Chinese soldier to charge a Machine Gun line and try to wipe out an American ccompany in Korea war, and it might succeed, but there is a price to pay for the Chinese.

Imagine in today warfare, if you leave cover just to charge your enemy in sheer guts, it achieve nothing, war did not fought in a way when you can try and use primitive method and overrun your enemy. The problem is that, even if China have the way to touch America, it does not change the fact that it does not matter in war, during the course of history, war did not simply end with one country dropping some bomb or missile to unexpected civilian. Germany are not able to do it bombing London during Battle of Britain, the american cannot do it with Bombing Japan and Germany, American cannot do it with Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan. In fact, the American, both Civilian and Military know how effective these bombing can be.

As to the word "American is gonna scare the shit out of them when bomb start dropping on US soil" set aside how you can exactly do that without going thru the whole length of the Pacific without US noticed. The ground reality is, they will not. It's naive to think it can scale the American off with a few bomb to their home, because last time some coutnry did that to Hawaii, we beat the crap out of that country and basically colonize it while the world look on saying "American is out of the fight" All I can say is this, if China is really intended to bomb America, you need to do a better, ALOT better job than the Japanese. Because the moment you bomb America, is the moment 10 Carrier and 9 LHD heading your way with all full might of the US Armed Force at your coast.

Again, I am not expecting China to back down, I am expecting China to fight and lose if a war broke out between US and China. This is how it would goes. You put up a glorious fight, a brave charge to the machinegun, mortar, that is not going to alter the fact that China is going to lose a war in the sea and air had China and US go to war in SCS. You can go and ask 10 worldwell know Strategist from different country and different military regime, they will all tell you the same thing. This is something even Chinese Military authority themselves has not denied. This is a untendable situation for China to hold these island and try to win a running war with the American.

The question is, again, as I suggest, would there be a war to begin with? I can only say what happen if a war happen, predict the outcome, but I cannot predict whether or not a war is going to happen. That's up to people better than you and me to decide. It's no point mulling over the idea of whether or not there will be a war.



Why not? You do know the war we fought today is largely the same as the war we fought during WW2.

What we have now that does not have in WW2? Jet fighter? Asssault Rifle? Artillery? Cruise Missile? Nuclear Weapon? Name me one hardwear we have now but not during ww2.

Yes, a tank today is much more armoured and pack a much larger gun (120mm verus king tiger's 88) Anavy ship uses Missile instead of Ack-Ack, a rifle can chamber a lot more bullet than before. Artillery range increased, while reaction time decreased. But in all, wasn't the same weapon we use in WW2 have the same function than the weapon we have today? A destoryer hunting a sub, yes, today submarine is more silent than the old U Boat, but so does the American Destroyer Sonar power. Tank being hunt down by other tank, anti-tank gun/rocket. Fighter fight other fighters, got shot down by other fighters and SAM instead of Ack-Ack. Nothing has actually changed.

Platform upgrade, yet role stay the same, hence if you have any military training at all, you will notice that, the same training they are giving during WW2 is still given in today Advance Individual Training, the only difference? Instead of using a blackboard and pen, you are using Computer and Monitor.

It is the same war, fighting with the same equipment, over the same terrain as war been fought 70 years ago. Yes, Chinese technology is not the same as they were in WW2, but so does the American.

You are not the first one, nor I bet my life on it, the last one to tell me "You can't use what happened in WW2 to predict the outcome today" Why not? When the weapon system perform exactly the same way they did in WW2, which means you re using the same way we fought in WW2, what people don't know, and most of the PDF Chinese here don't know is that. Of course today weapon is more advance, but we are not comparing today weapons with WW2 weapons of yester year, we compare a war between tactics and strategy use between Nations, you compare what IJN have in WW2 to what USN have in WW2, and how they use it, and you compare what USN have in 2017 and what PLAN have in 2017 and you comapre the hardware and how they use it not comapre what it was in WW2 and what it is NOW, because at that point in WW2, both US and Japan are equal in technology, meaning, they can deal out more decisive blow to each other than today battlefield, when US is ahead in technology than China. So yes, I cannot actually copare a war between China and US now with WW2, because in WW2, Japan and US is on par, sometime Japan is actually more advance than the US, but today, China is subpar if we compare to US technology and warfighting experience.
WW2 the battleship firing cannon to take each other out. WW2 submarine can't stay submerse months end without resurface that can only fire tornadoes when close enough to be able to hit the battleship. Outdated WW2 naval war scenario can't be use to simulate the naval war in the 21st century.
 
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WW2 the battleship firing cannon to take each other out. WW2 submarine can't stay submerse months end without resurface that can only fire tornadoes when close enough to be able to hit the battleship. Outdated WW2 naval war scenario can't be use to simulate the naval war in the 21st century.

So, what is the different between cannon to cannon fight and missile fight? And what is the different between Sub War today and yester year?

In the old day, the longer the calibre the gun was, it pushes you off further to the engagement circle so you can have a longer range cannon before someone can shoot you, while today, you have a longer, larger and heavier missile that can put more propellent in it, it means more range, and it will pushes you off further to the engagement circle, oh wait, where do I hear that before?

Today submarine will be able to submerge longer, travel underwater faster, and can engage an enemy warship in a longer range then before, but then think about this. Today Destroyer can stay aloft longer, with Sonar that have a lot longer range, onboard helicopter that can engage a submarine outside the horizon, is it kind of negate what I (actually, you) just said?

As I said, if you have any form of military training, you will know today training is more or less like the one we give during WW2, things upgrade, but their purpose remain unchanged.
 
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So, what is the different between cannon to cannon fight and missile fight? And what is the different between Sub War today and yester year?

In the old day, the longer the calibre the gun was, it pushes you off further to the engagement circle so you can have a longer range cannon before someone can shoot you, while today, you have a longer, larger and heavier missile that can put more propellent in it, it means more range, and it will pushes you off further to the engagement circle, oh wait, where do I hear that before?

Today submarine will be able to submerge longer, travel underwater faster, and can engage an enemy warship in a longer range then before, but then think about this. Today Destroyer can stay aloft longer, with Sonar that have a lot longer range, onboard helicopter that can engage a submarine outside the horizon, is it kind of negate what I (actually, you) just said?

As I said, if you have any form of military training, you will know today training is more or less like the one we give during WW2, things upgrade, but their purpose remain unchanged.
The different with track satillite and longer range of antiship missile allow you to engage you enemy from a faraway distance, you no longer need in the face to face combat in a naval warfare.

So, what is the different between cannon to cannon fight and missile fight? And what is the different between Sub War today and yester year?

In the old day, the longer the calibre the gun was, it pushes you off further to the engagement circle so you can have a longer range cannon before someone can shoot you, while today, you have a longer, larger and heavier missile that can put more propellent in it, it means more range, and it will pushes you off further to the engagement circle, oh wait, where do I hear that before?

Today submarine will be able to submerge longer, travel underwater faster, and can engage an enemy warship in a longer range then before, but then think about this. Today Destroyer can stay aloft longer, with Sonar that have a lot longer range, onboard helicopter that can engage a submarine outside the horizon, is it kind of negate what I (actually, you) just said?

As I said, if you have any form of military training, you will know today training is more or less like the one we give during WW2, things upgrade, but their purpose remain unchanged.
How can it be if you use WW2 naval war engagement, 1st your battleship need to blindly searching out the adversary in the open sea then within a close distance allow you to firing the canyon at your enemy, then why would you utilize the tracking satilitte, anti missile and scraped all the canyon on the ship? Because WW2 equipments outlived their usefulness in the modern naval warfare.
 
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look, guts alone is not of any matter of modern warfare, sheer bravery might have been able to concentrate on an action in the 50s when Killing Power is not at all resolute like today. No doubt it was brave for the Chinese soldier to charge a Machine Gun line and try to wipe out an American ccompany in Korea war, and it might succeed, but there is a price to pay for the Chinese.

Imagine in today warfare, if you leave cover just to charge your enemy in sheer guts, it achieve nothing, war did not fought in a way when you can try and use primitive method and overrun your enemy. The problem is that, even if China have the way to touch America, it does not change the fact that it does not matter in war, during the course of history, war did not simply end with one country dropping some bomb or missile to unexpected civilian. Germany are not able to do it bombing London during Battle of Britain, the american cannot do it with Bombing Japan and Germany, American cannot do it with Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan. In fact, the American, both Civilian and Military know how effective these bombing can be.

As to the word "American is gonna scare the shit out of them when bomb start dropping on US soil" set aside how you can exactly do that without going thru the whole length of the Pacific without US noticed. The ground reality is, they will not. It's naive to think it can scale the American off with a few bomb to their home, because last time some coutnry did that to Hawaii, we beat the crap out of that country and basically colonize it while the world look on saying "American is out of the fight" All I can say is this, if China is really intended to bomb America, you need to do a better, ALOT better job than the Japanese. Because the moment you bomb America, is the moment 10 Carrier and 9 LHD heading your way with all full might of the US Armed Force at your coast.

Again, I am not expecting China to back down, I am expecting China to fight and lose if a war broke out between US and China. This is how it would goes. You put up a glorious fight, a brave charge to the machinegun, mortar, that is not going to alter the fact that China is going to lose a war in the sea and air had China and US go to war in SCS. You can go and ask 10 worldwell know Strategist from different country and different military regime, they will all tell you the same thing. This is something even Chinese Military authority themselves has not denied. This is a untendable situation for China to hold these island and try to win a running war with the American.

The question is, again, as I suggest, would there be a war to begin with? I can only say what happen if a war happen, predict the outcome, but I cannot predict whether or not a war is going to happen. That's up to people better than you and me to decide. It's no point mulling over the idea of whether or not there will be a war.

Sure for now as I said US still held military advantage over China but don't talk like there is no way to win the war against US as they're invincible, that was how Mongol and Turk thought themselves that they could out maneuver Chinese army with their archer skill and horse skill but we managed to overwritten the myth that they're undefeatable and make them pay at their own homeland: When US is within China reach mean we' have "better than nothing" chance to deal with US military confrontation, it's a crucial step to deal with US and make them think twice. As a second world economy power, we will have better chance to reach military parity with US in the short coming 50 years and then we will make them offer that they can't refuse. Only future will tell how China will put an end to US military supremacy as our historical foes...for over 5000 years we Chinese always prevail...and we will prevail when facing US in the future.
 
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