US aims to edge out Russia in big weapons sales to India

[blain2]

Could you enlighten me? as How does close up of India-US ties would open the door of russian gesture for pakistan?

Its pretty simple. US beating Russians in selling something major to India would provide a logical reason to the Russians to sell to Pakistan as well (nobody is being held back by the vestiges of cold war alignment and a major US arms sale to India would make this even clearer to the Russians).

Russian arms sales are limited to Pakistan only because there is an inclination in Moscow to see Pakistan through the Indian lenses. As Indians have pushed for de-hyphenation of US-India relations from US-Pakistan relations, the same seems very plausible for Russian-Pakistani relations. Past few years have shown that Russians are opening up but gradually towards Pakistan. India can continue to buy hardware from all sources, but that does not mean that Russia wont deal with Pakistan just because of the past Indo-Russian links.

 

[Cheetah786]

Russia has to go a long away before indulging in any kind of future cold war with US. Since the breakup of Former Soviet Union, Russia has realized the fact that unless and until that don’t dedicate themselves in Economic as well as Social reforms prevailing in Russia, till then they are not competent enough to compete with US militarily as well as economically.

Regarding Russia’s need of Pakistan to counter US, Russia would have to create an unprecedented amount of influence worldwide to establish such relationship. Utmost Russia can do is to supply Pakistan with invaluable weapons and economic assistance, but the moment when US come to know about such gesture is being played to counter US presence in Asia, it will squeeze all the yearly aid, funding as well as economic assistance and not to mention some quality weapon supply to Pakistan. The possibility of sanction on Pakistan can’t ruled out under such scenario. If Pakistan really willing to counter US presence, then they will have to reform economically to resist the blow of sanctions.

You Mean the whole $700Million they will take away Man i dont no how we are going to survive without that.sooner the better

 

[KENT]

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People here we see a typical case of psychosis, only Indians are able to think so wrongly...

Pakistan is ranked 7th thou ....for your knowledge only.

Every human being do possess certain degree of obsession and afterall it is an integral part of the personality. I guess you lack it and hence uncommon way of reply when find himself running out of words.

 

[KENT]

Its pretty simple. US beating Russians in selling something major to India would provide a logical reason to the Russians to sell to Pakistan as well (nobody is being held back by the vestiges of cold war alignment and a major US arms sale to India would make this even clearer to the Russians).

Russian arms sales are limited to Pakistan only because there is an inclination in Moscow to see Pakistan through the Indian lenses. As Indians have pushed for de-hyphenation of US-India relations from US-Pakistan relations, the same seems very plausible for Russian-Pakistani relations. Past few years have shown that Russians are opening up but gradually towards Pakistan. India can continue to buy hardware from all sources, but that does not mean that Russia wont deal with Pakistan just because of the past Indo-Russian links.

I should call it as unremarkable reckoning, you mean with the close up of Indo-US partnership and any major weapon sale, it will open door of Russian generousness for Pakistan. In past as well India have inked some of major Defence deal apart from Russian which consist of Isreal, France, England, Italy etc, does this impact Indo-Russian relationship. Russian have partnered with Indian in not only defence but also in Buisness, Infra, Oil & Gas, Nucler Cooperation, Space cooperation etc as well some of landmark defence agreement like PAK-FA.
So according to your line of thinking at the cost of this Multi-billion doller projects with India, Russian will break all partnership with India for sake of some minor defence deal with US and join Pakistan for some billion doller defence project.

 

[KENT]

You Mean the whole $700Million they will take away Man i dont no how we are going to survive without that.sooner the better

Do take into account, the santions as well, I guess you might have missed it.

 

[Astra]

The sooner this happens, the better for Pakistan at least. After US gets a major weapons sale in India, Pakistan can actually deal (defense related) with the Russians at a new level.

It seems India has already won the Psychological war against Pakistan.
You have agreed out of your sub-consious mind that:

1. India has access to better weapons systems than pakistan.
2. You appreciate the quality and class of weapon systems in India.
3. The weapon systems that pakistan procures[Chinese] are of less quality than what India has.

Pakistans military budget is USD 4.5 Billion, and Indias is 21 Billion. Now I give you some mathematic homework to calculate why both US and Russia can share Indias defence budget and still make more money than supplying weapons to pakistan.

 

[Astra]

It seems India has already won the Psychological war against Pakistan.
You have agreed out of your sub-consious mind that:

1. India has access to better weapons systems than pakistan.
2. You appreciate the quality and class of weapon systems in India.
3. The weapon systems that pakistan procures[Chinese] are of less quality than what India has.

Pakistans military budget is USD 4.5 Billion, and Indias is 21 Billion. Now I give you some mathematic homework to calculate why both US and Russia can share Indias defence budget and still make more money than supplying weapons to pakistan.

I forgot to add 1/4 of that 4.5 Billion comes as US military Aid.
This is even more a reason why US would prefer to do business with india rather than keep donating money to your Army.

 

[BATMAN]

I forgot to add 1/4 of that 4.5 Billion comes as US military Aid.
This is even more a reason why US would prefer to do business with india rather than keep donating money to your Army.

It is cheaper for US to hire Pak military services and achieve far better results than what its own army could deliver.
If we look it from Indian mind than US should terminate its contract with Pakistan becuase Pakistan had already hunted the most wanted terrorists hence no need to stick to the contract and wait untill the conclusive end of war on terror. Ground reallity is that war is far from over and the day US army leave Afghanistan it will again be a battle ground of northern alliance and Taliban and safe heaven for terrorists.
I don't think it will be profitable in any sense for US to say Pakistan, thank you very much we can handle all by our self.
BTW, doing bussiness in India is not easy and mostly it is a stick carrot approach, which has been realised by Russia and soon US contractors will also realise.

 

[KENT]

It is cheaper for US to hire Pak military services and achieve far better results than what its own army could deliver.
If we look it from Indian mind than US should terminate its contract with Pakistan becuase Pakistan had already hunted the most wanted terrorists hence no need to stick to the contract and wait untill the conclusive end of war on terror. Ground reallity is that war is far from over and the day US army leave Afghanistan it will again be a battle ground of northern alliance and Taliban and safe heaven for terrorists.
I don't think it will be profitable in any sense for US to say Pakistan, thank you very much we can handle all by our self.
BTW, doing bussiness in India is not easy and mostly it is a stick carrot approach, which has been realised by Russia and soon US contractors will also realise.

As far as my memories goes by skiping my newspaper article about US war on terror after 9/11 and US aid to Pakistan accounted for somewhere around $7 to $8 billion just to uproot the meance of Taliban from Afganistan, but till now that a single measure success US has yielded on its war on terror. Now it is believe that many high profile analyst as well as Military personnel are now thinking about such lowering down excessive foreign aid, because most of this aid end up being procurement of some topnotch weapon system. If according to your line of thought, if really Pakistan creadibly assist the US on its war on terror, then how does Pakistan themselves get inflicted by heavy political turmoil prevailing in state as well as stronghold of taliban and extremist in northen fronteir of pakistan?
And forget to tell you, What exactly makes you think that US will get dismantled all its military infrastrutre in Afganistan. What you think that, so much multi-billion dollars that has spent by US is only to quell terrorists and makes afganistan a free country, no they wanted to gain strong foothold in central asia to take on emerging powers of Asia in future.

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

Every human being do possess certain degree of obsession and afterall it is an integral part of the personality. I guess you lack it and hence uncommon way of reply when find himself running out of words.

That is called courtesy what you just showed with good words.. No!



You get the response what you deserve in my opinion.

 

[KENT]

That is called courtesy what you just showed with good words.. No!



You get the response what you deserve in my opinion.

Offcourse I can deserve anything as any other human being!
Is such deserving theory absence for you?

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

Offcourse I can deserve anything as any other human being!
Is such deserving theory absence for you?

No its not ....

Peace..

Lets share our views rather than impose them. Listen and get Listened.

 

[KENT]

No its not ....

Peace..

Lets share our views rather than impose them. Listen and get Listened.

I think you should, promise yourself about above thought rather then suggesting me.

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

I think you should, promise yourself about above thought rather then suggesting me.

 

[genmirajborgza786]

The sooner this happens, the better for Pakistan at least. After US gets a major weapons sale in India, Pakistan can actually deal (defense related) with the Russians at a new level.

i agree with you