US aims to edge out Russia in big weapons sales to India

[Vinod2070]

Its not that i refered to 1962 capabilities but i reconn that China is still more potent force than India. Furthermore, India can not engage with China at any cost on its own without being supported from US as Pakistan is next to India.

But where is the need for India to engage China? We are not enemies? Of course we have our respecetive interests to protect but both countries are mature enough to see the futility of any military adventure. And except the boarder issue, we don't have any major conflicts.

The boarder has been more or less peaceful for 45 years and there is an implicit understanding that it will not change. The terrain of the boarder does not allow large scale conflicts either.

India can not engage China as much as China can not engage India. The only engagement between us is going to be economic and try to better the lot of our people.

China may be powerful but you know they still can't take Taiwan (a country of 20 million) by military force despite every intention to do so. Lets try to keep a perspective here.

 

[KENT]

No but it felt like people who have so much unrealistic belief in wrong understandings of situations and world politics for the years to come.

No offense intended

Unrealistic belief, what unrealistic! Or instead the routine way of looking at thing according to your’s sensitivity and then called it as unrealistic.

Since we have the privilege of acknowledging our capability in others comparison like chinese, because India have distinctive status in both World Geo-politics, as well as Economics.Thus who don’t acknowledge this reality called it as unrealistic because they don’t have privileged to do it with regards to themselves.

“Wrong understanding World politics for the years to come”, offcourse, it is, but according to your level and standard of thinking. Professor then tell me what is the world politics, may I help you like this way “Russian will need Pakistan to counter presense of American in Asia”. Oh my goodness what have Pakistan to offer Russian to counter US!
My dear professor, Is it called as right understanding of world politics? If so then keep it up!

 

[KENT]

I would only say that many Pakistanis are actually more sure of Chinese capabilities than the Chinese themselves. The difference between China and India is not as huge as some of you may think, though it is there for all to see. It is definitely not as big as between USA and China.

No country is going to be a walkover for the other. 1962 was way back, and India has learnt it's lessons.

No disrespect meant to the Chinese who are doing very well for themselves.

Exceptional post!

 

[KENT]

Its not that i refered to 1962 capabilities but i reconn that China is still more potent force than India. Furthermore, India can not engage with China at any cost on its own without being supported from US as Pakistan is next to India.

Should I add anything into your reckoning? Chinese not only have the potent force versus India but also exceptional Economy, Startling Diplomatic status worldwide.

“India can not engage with China at any cost on its own without being supported from US as Pakistan is next to India”

What an unbelievable irony! India can’t engage with china without US because Pakistan is next to India. US can’t engage with Chinese on its own, why it will came to help India.

You mean hypothetically in case of eventualities between India-china Pakistan will come to help China! But do care to tell me in which state of condition because Pakistan already enduring with self created turmoil. Another unbelievable imagination!

 

[bhangra12345]

direct india-china border both in kashmir and north east is not conducive for large scale fighting, hint:himalayas

it has to be through someother country,

i)Nepal: same problem, the himalayas, the plains are towards indian sides, so will be easier for India
ii)Bhutan/Burma: possible, I havent explored
iii)Pakistan: you can pester OOE about it, but he has stated often that chinese offensive will be through pakistan. now you realize the importance of pakistan to china vis-a-vis india. Apart from being willing and dying soldiers to china (no bad vibe intended), pakistan plays a dual role.

 

[KENT]

iii)Pakistan: you can pester OOE about it, but he has stated often that chinese offensive will be through pakistan. now you realize the importance of pakistan to china vis-a-vis india. Apart from being willing and dying soldiers to china (no bad vibe intended), pakistan plays a dual role.

Quite an expetional hypothetical scenario, but what about US?
Few question
A) Will US or for that matter Russia allow pakistan to give safe corrider for china to attack India?
B) Normally to attack India, china would have to mobilize massive army and logistical support in addition to it, Would'nt it catch the eyes of India and allow it prepare for retaliatory attack?
C) Under which scenario, I mean in which state of economic condition China would like to go for misadventure against India? because it war would inflict severe jolt to chinese economy

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

Quite an expetional hypothetical scenario, but what about US?
Few question
A) Will US or for that matter Russia allow pakistan to give safe corrider for china to attack India?
B) Normally to attack India, china would have to mobilize massive army and logistical support in addition to it, Would'nt it catch the eyes of India and allow it prepare for retaliatory attack?
C) Under which scenario, I mean in which state of economic condition China would like to go for misadventure against India? because it war would inflict severe jolt to chinese economy

I guess words are getting sliped here... Its not about China's misadventure but Indians thinking that they are able to neutralize China alone when it comes to happen. This was the point and now it has become a scenario for Discussion.

 

[KENT]

I guess words are getting sliped here... Its not about China's misadventure but Indians thinking that they are able to neutralize China alone when it comes to happen. This was the point and now it has become a scenario for Discussion.

And you come to know by now that words are getting slipped and blown out of propration after converting the real theame of thread "Boeing-Lokheed coopertion to Indian aviation" into "In future Russian will feel the need of US to counter russian" "US closing up with India only to counter Russia and China".

So let me describe myself on uselss topic of How India would counter china all by alone?
We have the previliged of comparing ourselves with China by virtue as given below
1) Second fastest economy of the world which next only to china which can sustain the blow any all out war with china. Growing ties with US in the form of Nucler as well as aviation cooperation as well as host of others Business as well as Industrial relationship with EU and US as well as Russia

2) Having a decent ranking in terms of Armed forces. I think after 6 permanant member of security council, only India have the decent armed forces of caliber of nation included in security council.

There is many more recokning I have to conclude Indian Capability, but I think,right now I can feed only this for you.

 

[bhangra12345]

Quite an expetional hypothetical scenario, but what about US?
Few question
A) Will US or for that matter Russia allow pakistan to give safe corrider for china to attack India?

this is what was supposed to have happened during op brass stacks in 1986, the chinese army main invasion would have been through Pakistan, what are the political calculations behind this, we do not know. but it didnt stop the falklands war, the 1971 war - and both of us are not some puppet states, so no allowing scenario here.

B) Normally to attack India, china would have to mobilize massive army and logistical support in addition to it, Would'nt it catch the eyes of India and allow it prepare for retaliatory attack?

you would be suprised to know how production capacity zooms when a country mobilizes for war, yes, india would have been prepared but where? india and china directly can fight only border wars due to himalayas. and if the combined juggernaut of both pakistan and china comes to war at the same time, we would definitely be hard pressed to defend.

C) Under which scenario, I mean in which state of economic condition China would like to go for misadventure against India? because it war would inflict severe jolt to chinese economy

it happened just 2 decades ago, hindi-chini bhai bhai to war in 6 years, lahore bus to kargil in 6 months flat, so wouldnt say what.

 

[bhangra12345]

I guess words are getting sliped here... Its not about China's misadventure but Indians thinking that they are able to neutralize China alone when it comes to happen. This was the point and now it has become a scenario for Discussion.

oho, some one needs to read more. the topic is actually not "Indians thinking that they are able to neutralize China alone" but "US aims to edge out Russia in big weapons sales to India".

so get down of your "holier than thou".

 

[Vinod2070]

Exceptional post!

Thanks.

 

[KENT]

this is what was supposed to have happened during op brass stacks in 1986, the chinese army main invasion would have been through Pakistan, what are the political calculations behind this, we do not know. but it didnt stop the falklands war, the 1971 war - and both of us are not some puppet states, so no allowing scenario here.


you would be suprised to know how production capacity zooms when a country mobilizes for war, yes, india would have been prepared but where? india and china directly can fight only border wars due to himalayas. and if the combined juggernaut of both pakistan and china comes to war at the same time, we would definitely be hard pressed to defend.

it happened just 2 decades ago, hindi-chini bhai bhai to war in 6 years, lahore bus to kargil in 6 months flat, so wouldnt say what.

So there is seems to have some slight change in the theame of Indo-china war scenario, now pakistan joins the party, truly priceless. other then that your post is beyond my understanding unless and until you don't provide me with some creadible sources.

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

We have the previliged of comparing ourselves with China by virtue as given below
1) Second fastest economy of the world which next only to china which can sustain the blow any all out war with china. Growing ties with US in the form of Nucler as well as aviation cooperation as well as host of others Business as well as Industrial relationship with EU and US as well as Russia

2) Having a decent ranking in terms of Armed forces. I think after 6 permanant member of security council, only India have the decent armed forces of caliber of nation included in security council.

There is many more recokning I have to conclude Indian Capability, but I think,right now I can feed only this for you.

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People here we see a typical case of psychosis, only Indians are able to think so wrongly...

Pakistan is ranked 7th thou ....for your knowledge only.

 

[ahussains]

Americans are trying to get the Indian market and Russians dont want to loss there Biggest Coustomer of Military equipments this will again put Russians and Americans against each other .

 

[Black Stone]

I think after 6 permanant member of security council, only India have the decent armed forces of caliber of nation included in security council.

No, there are only 5 permanent members in the UNSC. China, UK, France, Russia and the US.