Update: Indian troops killed soldier after questioning: Pakistan Army

[Roybot]

In a 50-60 year old conflict, Now Indian soldiers can't identify a fully dressed Pakistani soldier. Show what kind of illiterate people are manning forward posts from Indian Side.

Anyone can get Pakistani military uniform, even terrorists. So how exactly is one supposed to differentiate between a soldier and a terrorist. Not to forget a lot of Pakistani soldiers have massive beards, making things worse.

 

[Paan Singh]

That's the only thing trigger happy people understand.

if there are 10 hardliners in pakistan then we have 100.
so choice is yours.

 

[ares]

In 3 PM afternoon, indian soldiers can't identify a fully dressed soldier and an infiltrator. IA become color blind now? There are SOP that instead of firing upon astray soldiers, they will told in a loud speaker or in a loud voice that they have astrayed. If that person acts in a threatening way you are allowed to shoot back.

What Professional ARMY DID, that they pointed Gun across the soldier who didn't knew he is on the wrong side of border and though indians have one again crossed the border, now who is at fault here? IA should have cleared his misconceptions in a professional way not acted like mercenaries or hired thugs who shoot first and ask questions latter

How is it possible that..he did not know he had crossed the border, but at same time he was able to contact his superiors and inform them that he had crossed the Indian border ..who apparently told him to stay put..while they contact the Indian post.

If person has inadvertently crossed on to the wrong side of the border and he wants to surrender ..he would simply lay down his arms, raise his hands above his head and wait for further orders, not start firing back ..just because some one points a gun on him.

 

[Bratva]

Anyone can get Pakistani military uniform, even terrorists. So how exactly is one supposed to differentiate between a soldier and a terrorist. Not to forget a lot of Pakistani soldiers have massive beards, making things worse.

So in previous cases of PA soldiers crossing border mistakenly and returning alive, why those Pakistani soldiers were not challenged, shot, and were easily identified as Pakistani soldiers?

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

it appears that you are forgetting that such incidents happen from both sides, even a helicopter strayed into our side didnt it? should that have been shot down and burnt bodies returned instead?

you are now just picking up his words just for the sake of arguing.yes, soldiers shouldnt stray on the wrong side of the border for the sake of their lives but it happens and there is no guarantee that it wont happen.

the only issue at hand is that unfortunately both sides have different versions of events and I understand that we will disagree with what IA or PA are saying.

in some areas of kashmir border there are dwellings and army positions within few hundred yards, dont take my word for it and look up bhimber sector or madarpur sector (jehlum valley), so villagers on either sides can see what is happening around them from distance. dont accept the account of the villagers in this case but keep that in mind that it can happen. recall the incident of that old woman who was seen by villagers on Indian side slipping through Indian positions and crossed over to Azad Kashmir that prompted Indians to build bunkers that resulted in hostilities.

just before I arrived at bhimber sector there was a firefight between the Indian and Pakistani fighting patrols but thankfully there were no casualties and matter was resolved in a flag staff meeting after realising that neither side crossed over with intent. yea in the best scenario for either side no one should stray from his path but both civilians and soldiers do that and thats why both armies have SOPs in place to follow.

by the way I am not in the mood of arguing for the sake of arguing just thought to clarify to get the point across. given the current hostilities we understand that such mistake was going to end in death anyway and I think you would also understand that when Indian soldiers stray into Pakistani side by mistake. but I do hope that tit for tat is not in mind while using the firearms.

while we are having our favourite web fights among them I will like to know more from Indian side, considering their firefight version is nothing but truth,

what weapon was the soldier carrying?
was he in uniform?
was he alone when he was challenged or shot at? yes or no
if not then how many were with him?
how far inside the Indian border was he?
how did his other team members manage to escape?
was he dead immediately or succumbed to his wounds after initial interrogation?

looks like that we will continue to have this tit for tat shootings for a foreseeable future specially there are Indian elections coming as well and I dont know if they play an element as well or not. can tell you from our side that they are irrelevant because our forces are already in WoT and PMLn and other religious parties that have a considerable following are leading the anti-army sentiment and PPP doesnt really care anyway its pretty much leaderless and they are busy syphoning money while they have time.

Do you remember when 25 K PAK solider came inside Indian territory in early 90's was surrounded by One Lac indian Army but on the request of PAK Army indian Army allow then to surrender and allowed to return

Or else we can burn all 25K soldiers alive.

 

[notsuperstitious]

We are trying to waste time and bandwidth trying to convince the other party when its simply never going to happen. Our soldier crossed, whether he fired on the indian troops or not, he is still into enemy territory and suffered what was expected. It should be on to us how we will treat Indian soldiers or helicopters when they cross over.
The difference between India and Pakistan is that they have a unified policy starting straight from the government to the army. We on the other hand have thugs and traitors ruling us who have simply no concern even if India nukes Pakistan, so unless a proper policy is adopted by us as to how we will deal with this kind of behavior, its useless to burn our bloods.
May i remind readers that this is one soldier who crossed into enemy territory and got killed, what about those 26 soldiers that were killed in our own territory by the so called allies on WOT? What happened of them? Nothing. When we don't respect our own life, others wont do it and Pakistanis are happily agreeing to the killings as long as personal bank accounts are increasing.

What about the other Pakistani soldiers who were returned unharmed by India? Your claim that India has a policy for this of killing Pakistanis but Pakistan is ruled by traitors betrays a lot of self pity, but not facts.

 

[karan.1970]

So in previous cases of PA soldiers crossing border mistakenly and returned alive? why those Pakistani soldiers were not challenged, shot, or easily identified as Pakistani soldiers?

All depends on the prevailing situation at the time. Currently the situation is tense and the allowances for making errors is at an all time low

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

So in previous cases of PA soldiers crossing border mistakenly and returned alive? why those Pakistani soldiers were not challenged, shot, or easily identified as Pakistani soldiers?

because he surrender and this one fired with gun.

 

[Bratva]

How is it possible that..he did not know he had crossed the border, but at same time he was able to contact his superiors and inform them that he had crossed the Indian border ..who apparently told him to stay put..while they contact the Indian post.

Have you read your own Indian media reports? I mean Why indians act so dumb. After killing our soldier, Gun and communication equipment ( Walkie Talkie) was recovered from him. That's how PA soldier contacted the PA and asked them to recover him

because he surrender and this one fired with gun.

And they surrender when Indians side acted according to SOP not challenged them in a life threatening manner.

 

[Roybot]

So in previous cases of PA soldiers crossing border mistakenly and returned alive? why those Pakistani soldiers were not challenged, shot, or easily identified as Pakistani soldiers?

Well the last case, the guy was unarmed if am not wrong. And he was allowed to go back, unscathed.

As I said earlier, the atmosphere over there is a bit charged. We can't afford to take that risk. If you are crossing the LOC, with a gun, there is a very good chance that you are a terrorist. A terrorist who can potentially harm and kill Indian soldiers. And unfortunately you guys lost the benefit of doubt, after the beheading incident you guys pulled off last month.

Loss of life is regrettable, but given the atmosphere, I don't blame the IA.

 

[Bratva]

The ISPR spokesman said that soldier Sepoy Ikhlaq had lost his way between two border posts earlier on Thursday and inadvertently crossed over the LoC in Khoi Ratta sector.

A few civilians at the scene saw the soldier being questioned by the Indians, he said.

“This is not the first such event. We have returned Indian soldiers in the past, who had similarly strayed,” said the spokesman.

He added that the Directors General Military Operations of the two countries spoke on the hotline this morning when the Indian DGMO revealed that the Pakistani soldier had been killed by their troops.

Sepoy Ikhlaq is a resident of Kallar Saydan, 22 years old, and had four years of service, he said.

 

[karan.1970]

BTW, is there a formal statement from Pakistani Army or Govt that backs the title of this thread ??

 

[Bratva]

How is it possible that..he did not know he had crossed the border, but at same time he was able to contact his superiors and inform them that he had crossed the Indian border ..who apparently told him to stay put..while they contact the Indian post.

If person has inadvertently crossed on to the wrong side of the border and he wants to surrender ..he would simply lay down his arms, raise his hands above his head and wait for further orders, not start firing back ..just because some one points a gun on him.

The Pakistani military condemned the killing, saying the soldier had become lost and crossed the LoC “inadvertently”, and civilians had seen him being questioned by Indians troops.

Thats what happened Our guy surrendered and you killed him afterwards. Like Rafi says, Revenge orders have been given and this must be taken serious because you knew last time When you attacked our posts, how swiftly the reply came.

 

[Windjammer]

A Pakistani telling Indians about Introspection is Laughable .... Considering you people have not done that since your inception..if you ever did, Pakistan would be a lot better country than this hell hole... as the rest of your post is just usual garbage sprouted here every few days or so....

Oh excuse me, forgot you Indians are immediate descenders of snow white, whatever Pakistan is it still burns you at both ends to rant the nonsensical banter... remember you are privileged to be on a Pakistani forum..... you don't have no rights to be here, so remain within your skin.

 

[ares]

Have you read your own Indian media reports? I mean Why indians act so dumb. After killing our soldier, Gun and communication equipment ( Walkie Talkie) was recovered from him. That's how PA soldier contacted the PA and asked them to recover him

And they surrender when Indians side acted according to SOP not challenged them in a life threatening manner.

Since a UHF radio was recovered from ..that mean he either contacted or was contacted by the PA post..which means he knew exactly ..that he was on the wrong side of the border.
Now if you across the enemy lines inadvertently and have no malintent..safest and perhaps the only way to survive(when you are discovered) is to lay down your weapon, raise your hands..so that enemy can see it clearly ..and wait for further orders.

Shooting back ..if your enemy points a gun at you is clearly, not a very good idea.