I have already acknowledged our countries negative role in Bengal. But even Bengalis understand that Islam was sacrificed due to the dispute which India made full advantage of. As I said treat Kashmiris better then talk about Bengal. India is getting away with Kashmir because it is a much smaller population but oppression there is severe.
You gave me some numbers. I am just interested to know what numbers you believe happened w.r.t Bangladesh/East Pakistan in 1971.
I have never seen any other people so vain as are the Indians of today. A few years back you were in a state of sporadic decline. Its not about money. If you think bribing or telling tales of India's economy will win over us muslims you are wrong. Muslims need equal rights and even the most patriotic one will admit there are biases against not just muslims but minorities in Indian occupied parts.
State of sporadic decline? HAHA. Losing more money in a year than Pakistan has ever made in 5 may be a huge calamity to a Pakistan size economy. We shrug it off, elect a new govt and keep growing at a healthy clip....muslims included.
We don't care what a Pakistani says Muslims in India feel or think....we see and experience the reality every day for ourselves with our Muslim neighbours, friends and colleagues. Thats why a Muslim has made it to the highest office of India (president) a number of times. Can the same be said for non-Muslim in Pakistan? So its funny when you try to compare us with you. We certainly didnt barbarically slaughter hundreds of thousands, if not millions (lets see which number you choose) people in pretty much cold blood in just the span of a few months like Pakistan did in 1971. You see we can wash ourselves of any alleged blood on our hands much quicker....because we are responsible for magnitudes lower number of deaths than Pakistan. We will not stop to listen to your concerns....because they come from a hypocrite basically.
Indian propaganda over Kashmir is set to rival Israels over Palestine. Most of the forces in Kashmir are from outside the territory. Now you are proud of some mercenaries who abandon the cause of their peoples independence joining in huge numbers. There is no proof that they are joining Indian army in huge numbers but such obfuscation of the ground realities is well known among Indians.
I go by the evidence. I remember what the 90s were like regarding Kashmir and what the situation is like now on the ground. I have been there and seen it and talked to the Kashmiris themselves. A person like you can never visit Srinagar directly so you have to rely on whatever is fed to you by PTV and your govt/society which wants to deflect as much attention away from its own failings on almost every issue of real importance (development, education, jobs)
And dont compare with Israel. Israel does not see Palestine territories as an integral part of Israel. They are there to occupy to maintain security and to bargain away the land in any lasting peace settlement. India sees Kashmir as a complete integral part of India, we will not barter any piece of land away from it (like Pakistan did with China) and we will only take back what is not in our hands in the future eventually if Pakistan does not change its attitude by using the huge advantage that is accelerating in our favour now and will continue. Its really that simple.
But most of us have not left our territory. If we go we will take Taj Mehal and Charminar with us. Lucknowis who escaped to newly made boundaries of Pakistan instead of trying to make our land Lucknow or Malwa as it was called in the past part of that Pakistan. This resulted in a moth eaten Pakistan. Though even my direct family moved I am more sympathetic to the 3/5th of our relatives who live in Lucknow or other occupied parts and support Pakistan. They are the real patriots.
You can't take crap with you other than the clothes on your back. Those that dont integrate but want to stay get to keep their ghettoes....and they will be liquidated down the line at some moment if they ever openly espouse separatism or sedition. Its not because they are muslim, this applies to any community. Now if they know how to keep quiet, keep their views to themselves and behind closed doors and just grumble here and there....we dont have a problem. If they send their kids to Pakistan to marry and settle there.....thats great news for India.....its fewer potential problems for India down the road.
Likewise we accept any Hindus from Pakistan that seek sanctuary in India (and there are a good number more of them compared to Muslims leaving to Pak from India). But whats interesting is there is no huge flood of muslims leaving India to Pakistan. Its like when Musharaff got shocked when Delhi Jama Masjid Imam told him to focus on Pakistan and not Indian muslims (when Musharraf asked what Pakistan can do to help them)...that Indian muslims will deal with their problems and dont need Pakistan to help or direct.
Pakistan basically has no sustained credibility with Indian muslims as a whole other than a few fringe elements like your alleged relatives that you keep harping on about. Pakistan violent actions w.r.t Bangladesh in 1971 and its clear hand behind stoking Kashmir blood spilling in 1989 onwards just settles what Pakistan is in Indian muslims mind....a vicious desperado who's creation is a mistake but one that needs appropriate handling over time. Now add to this how Pakistan's relations are with fellow muslim countries like Afghanistan and Iran....and few Indian muslims see a true "ummah" character within Pakistan. I mean look at constant targetting of Shia minority in Pakistan. Its very upsetting/concerning to any Shia in India....and then he/she automatically thanks being in India.
Thats why India's situation w.r.t its muslims is very stable and peaceful overall....and people like you only have Pakistan forums to vent your frustration about it.
As I said some traitors aren't going to change the ground facts or the 90%+ muslim vote the Muslim League won in UP in 47. This is why I keep saying to the foolish loyal Indian muslims that we are essentially one people and the moment there is trouble with the Hindus like in Gujarat you will run to Pakistan's current borders. It was this that we had to do. No one expects such a thing to happen. It happens suddenly.
Good keep saying that to them (foolish loyal Indian muslims) to drive them away further from your kind and take as many middle ground muslims as possible with them (basically make them choose a side).
We want Muslims to get segregated more and more in their ideology so the relevant quarters can be isolated and picked off with ease when we deem it to be necessary. You are doing a good job for us, keep it going.
You are not essentially one people and you never will be, its why loyal Indian muslims even exist in the first place.
Muslims in general know that they should never ignite something like Godhra, Gujarat. If you burn a train down (with women and children in it on top of the people that you were targetting), you are not going to be received with love and compassion by the angry mob that forms. Its pretty simple common sense.
So as long as Muslims stay peaceful and learn to live under a non-Muslim majority...there is not going to be a problem. As soon as they decide they want to give some slap, they will receive 10 thumps in return till they remember the common sense again. Its too bad the slaps and thumps will be generally misdirected and involve many innocents on both sides....but thats the nature of undereducated, underdeveloped societies.....that element will change with time.....but not the common sense part that muslims will have to continue to live by....whatever their personal leanings may be.
Basically I observe and show my tolerance for one or two occasion then I act. So maybe you misunderstood my stand and took my tolerance as weakness. Hasina's family members are not only US UK citizens, but also white ones. That holds some value. I will stick to my opinion. Hasina represents the secular liberal people and her family members are western citizens, that is a deadly combination these days. For example see how US reacted in case of killing of desi bloggers and how they acted on US citizen blogger and how they acted on Xulhaz who was US embassy employee and western LGBT activist. You took only one line from my quote and made an issue out of it but I wanted show those statements as combination. Taking out one line may not make any sense. Also US policy shifted from balancing between Pakistan and India to India centric only. So they may not help pro Pakistan BNP as they did to Zia in the past and were harsh on SM fearing Soviet expansion but Hasina is successful balancing between all world powers. I dont know where from these intervention or invasion wet dream even coming. And btw they have some similar meanings if you want to use that way.
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