Unironically: Could declaring Sharia Law in Pakistan solve it's insurgency problem?

[VCheng]

You seem thoroughly convinced that Pakistan has acquired Thanos's gauntlet.

It has ALWAYS had the power, and still does, to decide on its own present and future. The pity is what we all decided to do with that power. Our present and future is only what we, and we alone, have made for ourselves. There is no doubt about that at all.

 

[TheSolution]

So, overall, we see from these cases that there is a bar for giving leadership to people. It's not just about Shariah or Islam, but leadership in general (be it religious or secular). We need to recognize that the ones ruling Pakistan aren't sincere, aren't independent, and aren't God-fearing. If they were, then we wouldn't even be having this conversation (either we'd have our Shariah or the situation under the secular rule would be so much better that we wouldn't even think about it).

Ultimately, regardless of ideology, for a state to be functional and progress, it requires meritocratic practices.

The qualities of good leaders are universal pretty much, regardless of what your ideology/religion is.

And our current rulers don't possess those qualities even in the current set-up.

 

[COOKie LOOkie....]

Mentioning anything close to sharia law is giving absolute power to the mullahs.
Why do you think JUI and JI are vouching fot it.
Its a political tool for them, used for elections nothing else.

Pakistan is already an islamic law, its constitution is based on fundamentals of sharia.

These mullahs clans exactly the same as the popes and cardinals of the roman church. As soon as they were thrown out of governance Europe started to see good days.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Ultimately, regardless of ideology, for a state to be functional and progress, it requires meritocratic practices.

The qualities of good leaders are universal pretty much, regardless of what your ideology/religion is.

And our current rulers don't possess those qualities even in the current set-up.

Exactly.

Proportionally speaking, most Muslims would agree with instituting the same quality of Islam as Rasul'Allah (SAW) and the Sahaba (RA) did. Note, it wasn't all dandy during the Khilafah Rashidun (e.g., assassinations, civil war, etc). However, we're human, not angels. Even with their flaws, the Sahaba (RA) did a good job expanding the state, building a professional army, building a navy, and integrating diverse populations.

Good leaders will kill good leaders (e.g., the first Muslim civil wars), but they will never kill their country. However, in Pakistan, we're dealing with leaders who will kill their opponents and take the country down. 1971 is a textbook example.

 

[Indos]

Many of Islamic Law are standard Morality like this

And many others

 

[TheSolution]

Exactly.

Proportionally speaking, most Muslims would agree with instituting the same quality of Islam as Rasul'Allah (SAW) and the Sahaba (RA) did. Note, it wasn't all dandy during the Khilafah Rashidun (e.g., assassinations, civil war, etc). However, we're human, not angels. Even with their flaws, the Sahaba (RA) did a good job expanding the state, building a professional army, building a navy, and integrating diverse populations.

Good leaders will kill good leaders (e.g., the first Muslim civil wars), but they will never kill their country. However, in Pakistan, we're dealing with leaders who will kill their opponents and take the country down. 1971 is a textbook example.

This is why I keep mentioning to implement strict policies of meritocracy in our national institutions and replace them with loyal and honourable people.

Recent events have shown us this firepower we possess is useless and our defense projects don't get nowhere precisely due to the lack of meritocracy and prevalence of toxic egotistical culture.

There's nothing to celebrate or be proud of until the top leadership is truly worthy of respect, otherwise everything else will fail too.

 

[CLUMSY]

Ok so
If i understood it correctly
Establish a brutal theocracy to suppress people advocating for a brutal theocracy, give away minority rights too for some smelly insurgents living in caves
Bravo man. Bravo.
You cant negotiate with terrorists. Just look at ISIS

 

[Azadkashmir]

first to go rothschild imf bank. usury.

 

[R2D2]

Taqiuddin An Nabhani lays out an Islamic political system as compared to Capitalist Democracy and Socialism along-with Constitution in his book The System of Islam, and the economy in The Economic System in Islam. He has also written a book on the Islamic Social System.

 

[Acetic Acid]

جی بلکل
شریعت نافذ ہونی چائیے
اور سب کو خلیفہ عمران خان احمد خان کے ہاتھ پر بیعت کرنی چائیے جو ایسے نہیں کرے گا اُسکے خلاف جہاد فرض ہوگا

 

[TheSolution]

Taqiuddin An Nabhani lays out an Islamic political system as compared to Capitalist Democracy and Socialism along-with Constitution in his book The System of Islam, and the economy in The Economic System in Islam. He has also written a book on the Islamic Social System.

I'm not sure about these economic systems my friend, not sure how viable they are in the current geopolitical environment

Can't be stuck in the medieval age while our enemies are growing their strength. We must adapt.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Please hear out my explanation below and then give your opinion.

The main insurgent groups in Pakistan are the TTP, followed by minor ethnonationalist groups like the BLA network. The TTP especially finds a lot of sympathy and support within Pakistani society, and is the most powerful destabilising element.

The reason for this can be linked back to Pakistan sitting on the fence with it's Islamic identity, it claims itself to be an Islamic state while having a practising Muslim majority population > 96%, but doesn't have have an integral governance structure of Islam. The Sharia Law.

So when a militant group comes along claiming to want to implement Sharia Law, people are subconsciously sympathetic towards them, because that's what an Islamic state inherently requires, and they don't see it present in Pakistan, no matter how much they are pro-state.

(A lot of the time this militant group has covert goals unrelated to Islam, for example the TTP is more of a Pashtun tribal insurgency hence it focuses on the FATA merger reversal, and is also labelled as a criminal organisation which extorts locals for money. The Sharia Law aspect is only used a selling point in society to gain support, but many people don't realise this)

So my question is, if Pakistan fully embraces it's Islamic identity without sitting on the fence, and makes Sharia Law official, it could fully gain back control and the state narrative would reign supreme.

Instantly any group that picks up arms against the state can confidently be labelled as Khawarijs, it will have the full support and trust of the people and their sympathies towards any militant groups will disappear immediately.

The state will have regained full control and the narrative will completely be on it's side against any group, including ethnonationalist groups.

Should Pakistan implement Sharia Law to get rid of all these destabilising elements and have the ability to crush down on them hard with a powerful narrative? Any insurgent group would become powerless in it's narrative.

If you're a Muslim, which the majority of Pakistan is, this should not be as a problem to you should it? If you believe in Islam then surely you believe in your God's governance system.

@Sayfullah @Mirzali Khan @villageidiot @Menace2Society @SaadH @kingQamaR @Areesh @Signalian @epebble @_NOBODY_ @PanzerKiel @hussain0216 @R2D2 @Al_Muhannad @akramishaqkhan @AZMwi @Great Janjua @Olympus81 @COOKie LOOkie....

If sharia could have prevented anything, then it would be the murder of Hazrat Usman RA or Jang e Jamal.
Only justice can prevent anarchies.

 

[Indos]

I'm not sure about these economic systems my friend, not sure how viable they are in the current geopolitical environment

Can't be stuck in the medieval age while our enemies are growing their strength. We must adapt.

Nah, they just only people that see the system definition not Arabic and see it as un Islamic. For instant, Syura in Caliphate system is basically parliamentary systems with tribes as their political parties.

That is the basic as Democracy in substance is the same like Syura in Islam (Consultation), but of course in the old time the system is still very basic and not developed yet. The system will follow the complexity of the problem, modern nation complexity is different with Madinah with few people inside it during 7 centuries, but the substance is the same. System needs to follow the complexity. Democracy system in USA for example is the example of the system that is difficult to be reformed, so we can see their voting system still reflect their 18 centuries system.

Most people only see the name but dont see the substence

Just like Islamic economic system is basically Capitalist in its substance.

The anti tesis of Capitalism is Communism.

 

[surmabhopali]

Please hear out my explanation below and then give your opinion.

The main insurgent groups in Pakistan are the TTP, followed by minor ethnonationalist groups like the BLA network. The TTP especially finds a lot of sympathy and support within Pakistani society, and is the most powerful destabilising element.

The reason for this can be linked back to Pakistan sitting on the fence with it's Islamic identity, it claims itself to be an Islamic state while having a practising Muslim majority population > 96%, but doesn't have have an integral governance structure of Islam. The Sharia Law.

So when a militant group comes along claiming to want to implement Sharia Law, people are subconsciously sympathetic towards them, because that's what an Islamic state inherently requires, and they don't see it present in Pakistan, no matter how much they are pro-state.

(A lot of the time this militant group has covert goals unrelated to Islam, for example the TTP is more of a Pashtun tribal insurgency hence it focuses on the FATA merger reversal, and is also labelled as a criminal organisation which extorts locals for money. The Sharia Law aspect is only used a selling point in society to gain support, but many people don't realise this)

So my question is, if Pakistan fully embraces it's Islamic identity without sitting on the fence, and makes Sharia Law official, it could fully gain back control and the state narrative would reign supreme.

Instantly any group that picks up arms against the state can confidently be labelled as Khawarijs, it will have the full support and trust of the people and their sympathies towards any militant groups will disappear immediately.

The state will have regained full control and the narrative will completely be on it's side against any group, including ethnonationalist groups.

Should Pakistan implement Sharia Law to get rid of all these destabilising elements and have the ability to crush down on them hard with a powerful narrative? Any insurgent group would become powerless in it's narrative.

If you're a Muslim, which the majority of Pakistan is, this should not be as a problem to you should it? If you believe in Islam then surely you believe in your God's governance system.

@Sayfullah @Mirzali Khan @villageidiot @Menace2Society @SaadH @kingQamaR @Areesh @Signalian @epebble @_NOBODY_ @PanzerKiel @hussain0216 @R2D2 @Al_Muhannad @akramishaqkhan @AZMwi @Great Janjua @Olympus81 @COOKie LOOkie....

No way .

 

[Fasbre2]

If you do implement sharia law, that would nullify the reason for the existence of religion based parties and organizations. Their main demand is sharia as their single point manifesto.
Therfore there would be no justification for Jui/JI/TLP/TTP. They can therefore be banned and dismantled as can any religion based parties, and if they don’t comply declare them as fitna/Munafiq etc.. and wipe them out under sharia law.
Cut 50% defence budget and allocate 25% of it towards nationalizing madrassas, and education in general. no private madrassas allowed, no source of brainwashed cannon fodder for terrorists..