Unexpected invite: PM ‘likely’ to attend Modi’s oath-taking

[Developereo]

Or are you implicitly suggesting that having Hindus in Kashmir is a bad thing?

Modi's (and India's) agenda is to use demographic engineering to flood Kashmir Valley with Hindus to dilute the Muslim presence. While resettlement of displaced Pandits is reasonable, what oversight will there be to ensure that only such people move to Kashmir?

In any case, by making it a priority, Modi has given a nod to his Hindu base.

I dont peg you to be one of those who keep parroting the same lines after being provided proof, which is why I am explaining this all.

What proof?

How does that negate the fact that reprisals against alleged illegals end up targeting legitimate Indian Muslims of Bengali descent? This is not an accident: the anti-Muslim elements consciously use the anti-illegal bandwagon as a cover for their discrimination.

Everyone -- especially Modi -- knows that the crackdown on illegals is code for evicting Indian Muslims from certain areas. Again, anti-Muslim demographic engineering is one of Modi's priorities.

 

[Chronos]

Modi's (and India's) agenda is to use demographic engineering to flood Kashmir Valley with Hindus to dilute the Muslim presence. While resettlement of displaced Pandits is reasonable, what oversight will there be to ensure that only such people move to Kashmir?

In any case, by making it a priority, Modi has given a nod to his Hindu base.

To be honest, I feel that J&K should be divided into three states. Jammu, Kashmir and Ladakh.

With similar laws in place in Ladakh (no one goes there anyway) and in Jammu.

 

[Contrarian]

Modi's (and India's) agenda is to use demographic engineering to flood Kashmir Valley with Hindus to dilute the Muslim presence. While resettlement of displaced Pandits is reasonable, what oversight will there be to ensure that only such people move to Kashmir?

In any case, by making it a priority, Modi has given a nod to his Hindu base.

The Government of J&K will obviously verify those getting resettled are of Kashmiri descent/origin.
The Law in Kashmir states that none bar an ethnic Jammu and Kashmiri - by either Father or Mother's side - is the only one who can buy land in J&K.

Its against the law and no other can be settled. The GoJ&K verifies before any such person is allowed. So its not like the GoI can ramrod/force anyone in Kashmir.

However, the settlement of Pandits in Kashmir initself will dilute the Muslim presence. Is that bad?

What proof?

Please check the last global immigration report issued by UN for confirmation. Just to let you know, it has been posted on this very forum itself.

How does that negate the fact that reprisals against alleged illegals end up targeting legitimate Indian Muslims of Bengali descent? This is not an accident: the anti-Muslim elements consciously use the anti-illegal bandwagon as a cover for their discrimination.

Everyone -- especially Modi -- knows that the crackdown on illegals is code for evicting Indian Muslims from certain areas. Again, anti-Muslim demographic engineering is one of Modi's priorities.

I disagree.
I dont think it has targeted anyone but Bangladeshi's. There might have been instances of mob justice in which the wrong people may have been caught, but other than that, its non Indians who are being targeted. There are millions and millions of Bangladeshi's in India.
And no Sir, we are not a Dharamshala for any one to come in our lands if they are poor. We threw back the Rohingyas when they tried to come and settle here, we will throw out the Bangladeshi's as well.

The riverine border makes it difficult, but process is on to ensure that it is better guarded.

 

[Chronos]

How does that negate the fact that reprisals against alleged illegals end up targeting legitimate Indian Muslims of Bengali descent? This is not an accident: the anti-Muslim elements consciously use the anti-illegal bandwagon as a cover for their discrimination.

Everyone -- especially Modi -- knows that the crackdown on illegals is code for evicting Indian Muslims from certain areas. Again, anti-Muslim demographic engineering is one of Modi's priorities.

What you are forgetting are the legitimate grievances of Bodos in Assam as well. Their concern is of demographic engineering as well.

How do you plan to address that? They too have legitimate grievances of outsiders swamping their area. A major chunk of it, Bengali Muslims. Oh and there is irrefutable evidence there is a sizeable Bangaldeshi presence. This is noted from United Nation sources.

 

[HariPrasad]

Modi's (and India's) agenda is to use demographic engineering to flood Kashmir Valley with Hindus to dilute the Muslim presence. While resettlement of displaced Pandits is reasonable, what oversight will there be to ensure that only such people move to Kashmir?
In any case, by making it a priority, Modi has given a nod to his Hindu base.

Look kashmir is a part of India. Article 370 shall be removed. Like kashmiris have the right to move and settle any where in india, other Indians have a right to settle in Kashmir.

 

[Always Neutral]

Mian sahib - there will be veg. dishes, reconsider your plan

So you have a nuclear war over food? Great Leader Nawaz Sharif. ISI should be disbanded and pakistan should have a MI-5 and MI-6 like UK.

 

[Developereo]

However, the settlement of Pandits in Kashmir initself will dilute the Muslim presence. Is that bad?

It is fine as long as the safeguards you mentioned are enforced. I remain far more skeptical than you when it comes to believing that will be the case.

I dont think it has targeted anyone but Bangladeshi's.

This is where we disagree. No one denies that India has the right to enforce border laws, but the whole issue is about the collateral damage to legitimate Indian Muslims -- including those who migrated legally from Bangladesh and who happen to have a foreign accent.

What you are forgetting are the legitimate grievances of Bodos in Assam as well. Their concern is of demographic engineering as well.

Unless there are laws against out-of-state people moving in and buying land, the Bodos don't have a case. If there are laws, then the state needs to investigate how people bought land. The Bodos can''t just simply run people out of town because of their ethnicity.

Look kashmir is a part of India. Article 370 shall be removed. Like kashmiris have the right to move and settle any where in india, other Indians have a right to settle in Kashmir.

That may well happen.

With both these moves -- Kashmiri Pandts and Bangladeshis -- Modi is showing that he is hostage to his own "tough guy" image. We will see if he carries this brashness and tough guy caricature into his foreign policy dealings.

Modi may yet turn out to be the best thing that happened to countries who are wary of India's rise.

 

[Contrarian]

It is fine as long as the safeguards you mentioned are enforced. I remain far more skeptical than you when it comes to believing that will be the case.

This is where we disagree. No one denies that India has the right to enforce border laws, but the whole issue is about the collateral damage to legitimate Indian Muslims -- including those who migrated legally from Bangladesh and who happen to have a foreign accent.

There are very very few who migrated legally. That really is not even a problem. Any who migrated legally will have passport and documents to support what they say.

The rest will get the shaft. You have no idea of the problems these people are creating.

Unless there are laws against out-of-state people moving in and buying land, the Bodos don't have a case. If there are laws, then the state needs to investigate how people bought land. The Bodos can''t just simply run people out of town because of their ethnicity.

They can if those people fail to prove themselves as Indians or fail to prove that they entered by legal means. Else they are fair game.

With both these moves -- Kashmiri Pandts and Bangladeshis -- Modi is showing that he is hostage to his own "tough guy" image. We will see if he carries this brashness and tough guy caricature into his foreign policy dealings.

Modi may yet turn out to be the best thing that happened to countries who are wary of India's rise.

You still doubt this?
He will definitely turn out to be the best thing that happened to those countries who are wary of India's rise.
Fortunately however, those countries are few and far between.

And the only country that had any power in the global arena who could have created blockages for us is China. And China and Modi share a very very good rapport. Infact you would be surprised to know that Modi was treated as a National Dignitary when he visited China in 20011, back when he was nowhere but a Chief Minister, and a much reviled one at that. He was given protocol equivalent to that of a PM back then by China.

Since then majority of Chinese investment has been in Modi's Gujarat.

Do name any other country of importance in the global areana ? I hope you dont mention Pakistan.

Lastly, Modi is anything but brash. He is extremely calculating. Its not a dictatorish tough guy act that he can get away with anything. Everything he does has an aim and objective in the larger strategy. Cost benefit to every move. He rarely lets the ball drop.