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Unequal before the law!

Its one of the rare introspective article from a young pakistani. Sometimes I feel that the presence of Indians on pakistani fora, forces the reasonable minds in Pakistan to defend their country rather than appreciating and addressing the issue. I believe there is a sizeable number of pakistanis who are able to see the real issues and are not afraid to accept them and address them. Just that they are either too shy or overwhelmed by the radicals. Its indeed unfortunate that the two nobel laureates of Pakistan had to leave pakistan and live in exile.
 
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Go to ancient india vimana and atomic bomb thread,,not much difference there between us and pakistanis.
We are all stubborn and foolish people,,I mean whole subcontinent.

Not stubborn as much as full of ourselves. Desis on the whole are possibly the most insecure bunch on the planet.
 
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Not stubborn as much as full of ourselves. Desis on the whole are possibly the most insecure bunch on the planet.

Yeah i was like this 8 years before going out of punjab to a university in other state having folks from all over.
U understand later how stupid u once were:mad:
 
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Yeah i was like this 8 years before going out of punjab to a university in other state having folks from all over.
U understand later how stupid u once were:mad:

Members behaving as if Indians or Pakistanis are all better suffer from the same issue. You cannot clean out bad DNA except by good governance. Let the law get out of control within many of these western countries and the result is not much different than what you see in India and Pakistan.

The pointless phallus measuring has mirrors all over.
 
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Members behaving as if Indians or Pakistanis are all better suffer from the same issue. You cannot clean out bad DNA except by good governance. Let the law get out of control within many of these western countries and the result is not much different than what you see in India and Pakistan.

The pointless phallus measuring has mirrors all over.

I disagree.
Society has to undergo a change gradually.And our societies need more time compared to western ones.They are much more advanced than us.

On corruption related to dna etc again its not simple.Our corruption exists due to low wages and more desires which exists in all societies albeit west has way more wages than us.The poverty for them means not having an ac/heater or not having a car/bike.
Our poverty means difficulty in procurement of food to survive.
So even without any specific laws(if we do an experiment) they are bound to behave and think much more rationally from our society on a whole.

But yes,clean leadership at top can act as a catalyst for the change but ingredients must exist in our society which sadly donot EXIST presently.
 
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The real problem is that the author and similarly awakened Pakistani people who understand the problems of Pakistan and want to solve them are a minority and more importantly bereft of any power.
In the identity crisis of what it means to be Pakistani, the answer has been" a Muslim". The slogan that Pakistan ka matlab kya, la illah il Allah" leaves no space for non Muslims. The mistreatment flows from this.
The real reason for Pakistan's existence is that several of the religious leaders believed that after the British left, India should revert to the mughal system and Pakistan is the mirror image of mughal rule.
Like the mughals there are good monuments and systems, but like the mughal system the Muslim community especially the poor Muslims have not got anything but suppression.
Only a few sardars and chaudharies live in a good rich manner their decadent life in private in their palaces, but come out and preach piety to the public. The army should have been a great equalizer but as time went they too became the new vadheras, gobbling up lands and becoming richer.
Yet the change can come from within, musharraf was trying to make Pakistan better when he was removed. He was trying to bring the madarssa to main stream and tried to make Pakistan secular. That's why he made a Hindu chief justice and a Sikh soldier in the Pakistan Army. Unfortunately the lawyers protested the Hindu CJ and the army/establishment removed him. But a secular Akbar/ Atatürk is the only feasible or likely solution for Pakistan.
 
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Instead of talking about equal rights and all, should Pakistan not be implementing Gods law called Shariah in Pakistan. Logically the 'Islamic Republic' which is fortuitously also the 'Qila of lslam' should be governed by only 'Laws of God'.

This is a facile discussion. What must instead be discussed is how to implement Shariah in Pakistan. As neighbours we support Pakistanis in this goal.

Show me 1 country that has implemented true isamic laws aka shariah or shariat... Shariat gives equalo rights to all... unfortunately... the radicals would only chose the laws which benefit them...
 
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Our corruption exists due to low wages and more desires which exists in all societies albeit west has way more wages than us.
This is preposterous. Its like saying that only poor people indulge in corruption. Corruption is a greed, its a sin which can happen to the richest also. The black money stashed by Indians in swiss and other foreign banks are not from low wage earners.
 
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This is preposterous. Its like saying that only poor people indulge in corruption. Corruption is a greed, its a sin which can happen to the richest also. The black money stashed by Indians in swiss and other foreign banks are not from low wage earners.

I stand by what i said.
The more the wages get the lesser desire people have to siphon off the money.

Of course there are some insatiable folks and law should take its course for them:coffee:

Do u know where the qila of razia sultana is located??:azn:
 
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“Oh but do you know what the Israelis are doing to the poor Muslims of Palestine? Will you ever see a Muslim be in a position of power in the US? Do you know about the plight of our poor Muslim brothers in India?”

We are all prone to making such arguments full of fallacies and we often let our egos stand in the way of what is right and what is wrong. The statements quoted above are just some of the reactions that I have faced when I have tried to reason for a non-Muslim Pakistani to be given the same rights as a Muslim Pakistani. So, who exactly do we fool when we claim that minorities are protected, in letter and spirit, by the laws of Pakistan? In this momentary glorification of our society, we tend to forget that we are meting out the very same treatment to our minorities that necessitated the formation of Pakistan in the first place. A ‘separate’ homeland for the Muslims of the subcontinent was never going to be an issue had there been basic freedom and equal economic opportunities for the minority in the Indian subcontinent. But the economic imperative aside, are we even giving our minorities their basic rights in Pakistan? Basically, are we following our own Constitution?

No, I don’t care about what India and Israel do, and I don’t care about how the West stereotypes Muslims. I am concerned about my own country — a country where we are not protecting our own countrymen. I never asked you about Israel or India or the US.
You want to know who the real heroes of Pakistan are? It’s the Christians living in Joseph Colony, who continue to live in Pakistan, knowing fully well that the 100 odd houses in the colony can be burnt down at the behest of an angry mob. I covered the area for a documentary so I don’t mind repeating it here. Two friends, a Muslim and a Christian, party in many vices, had a fight. The Muslim accused the Christian of having committed blasphemy. Lo and behold, the entire colony was burned down. Everything. There was only one judge, jury, and executioner in this case.

The real heroes of Pakistan are the Hazaras living in Quetta. They live in this land of the pure, knowing fully well that the state is doing absolutely nothing to ensure their safety. Those who kill them continue to get state patronage and we sit here in our comfort zones, almost resigned to our fate. All of my passionate ‘Pakistan Zindabad’ chants become meaningless in front of these brave souls for I have never even ventured into the territory of patriotism that is theirs and theirs alone, just because you and I are too scared to protect them. Only a true Pakistani can stay here knowing what is in store for him or her as a Hazara.

The real heroes of Pakistan are the Ahmadis who stay here, knowing fully well how much their lives are valued in this land of the pure. They never seem to give up and yet here we are, you and I, lying to each other and to the entire world, living a life of hypocrisy. No we will not share their grief, nor will we ever come out to protect them. We are too scared to say a very simple truth: killing someone is wrong!

The Joseph Colony example is the equivalent of the Americans droning innocents in their pursuit of killing terrorists. Or, for the elite, the ‘random’ security checks that you face at American airports just because your name is Khan. People will come out in huge numbers to condemn America. There will be people who will make sure that they remind you of Israel’s atrocities in Gaza. There will be those who will tell you that Ahmadis are non-Muslims — as if somehow this justifies killing them, and ignores the fact that false allegations of blasphemy are also a crime under the laws of the land. All this will happen and we will have the same ‘this too shall pass’ attitude towards it. You can’t miss the trend though. It should worry us; even cause us to lose sleep. If these were one or two cases of injustice, we could still claim to be a tolerant society. But the path we have taken now is going to lead us to extreme intolerance. When we lost Salmaan Taseer, people defended his murder and felicitated the murderer. Shahbaz Bhatti’s murder was also defended openly. Now we have lost a Christian couple in Kot Radha Kishan, burned like pieces of coal fuelling a fire. But why do we act surprised now? What did we do to reverse the dangerous trend when Salmaan Taseer was killed? What did we do to protect the Ahmadis when they were killed? What did we ever do to protect the Hazaras of Pakistan? We did nothing. Why do we expect any kind of reward then?

The next time you see the right speaking of Israel’s atrocities in Palestine, remember their silence on this. Replace the Palestinians with Pakistan’s minority and Israel with Pakistan, and you will see similar trends of injustice and persecution. We remain adamant on pointing out India’s transgressions in Kashmir, yet we remain silent on the brutal treatment meted out to fellow Pakistanis. No, I am not a RAW agent. I am an average Pakistani, concerned about Pakistan.

Remember that you and I, our families and our friends, we are all living in a state of oblivion, tacitly colluding to set in motion a systematic demise of our society.

Let us not fool the world anymore. Pakistan has a problem: we are narrowing down the space for our minorities.

Our Constitution guarantees: “[t]o enjoy the protection of law and to be treated in accordance with law is the inalienable right of every citizen, wherever he may be, and of every other person for the time being within Pakistan.”

Either we stop the trend or we say that this constitutional guarantee does not apply to Pakistan’s minorities.
Unequal before the law – The Express Tribune


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There is a serious issue here. Laws made by man will always be partial to the majority or more powerful community. After all humans are human. But if the ordained/spiritual laws are followed then Ahmadis are in trouble in all Muslim nations. But there again we have a precedence set by Caliph Abdul Hamid who had ruled that the life and property (ja'n o' ma'l) of the followers of Ghulam Ahmed were to remain safe.
 
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the comparison is not the greatest but true we really need to look out for our minorities
 
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I have often read such articles about pakistan on net and often seen Paksitanis(even on PDF) condemn the attack on minorities.
Then Why is that the government doesn't feel what the citizens feel?? Why does the govt of Pakistan shy away from addressing such issues??
 
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Remember that you and I, our families and our friends, we are all living in a state of oblivion, tacitly colluding to set in motion a systematic demise of our society.

So what? We will get what we want and what we deserve. Why would anyone have a problem with that?
 
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Show me 1 country that has implemented true isamic laws aka shariah or shariat... Shariat gives equalo rights to all... unfortunately... the radicals would only chose the laws which benefit them...
I can not agree or disagree with you because I lack the knowledge on Shariah.
I am however certain on one thing - that a country founded in the name of Islam, a countrymen who wanted Islam as state religion are hypocrites if it is they refuse to be governed by the Laws that Muslims consider sent from God.

Shariah has been clearly told to all Muslims in the form of Koran and Hadith. It is time past that Muslims of Pakistan adopt Shariah in totality.

Sometimes I feel that the presence of Indians on pakistani fora, forces the reasonable minds in Pakistan to defend their country rather than appreciating and addressing the issue. .
This is all too common.
Many a discussions that had the potential to turn into intellectual debates worthy of being published have been ruined because an Indian could not control himself and posted there.
 
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