UK will get a 'slap' from us, threatens Iran

[ambidex]

Iran is the Real Tiger of ASIA. Look at him he is surrounded by enemies even his friends are not able to help him but still struggling and not surrendering to foreigners.

 

[mijanur]

iran are brave....

 

[Spitfighter]

how can they slap Iran. There are a lot of itchy trigger fingers.

it wont just be Iran.....it'll be every country from Egypt, to Yemen, Somalia to Lebanon to Bahrain and even Pakistan....all these countries will be affected.

Iran's first move would be to mine the holy hell out of the Hormuz straights. Oil would sell at $350/barrel. The whole region would erupt in fighting...

and theres no guarantee israel would be safe from Iranian missiles....

Mr. Hugo Chavez would probably stir up some Latin American nationalism and try to find ways to confront U.S.

it wouldnt be good!

there is some talk of allowing pre-enriched uranium to enter Iran via Republic of Turkey. Not sure if it materialized. I'm not the biggest fan of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary government, but in the end only diplomacy and compromise can work in order to diffuse this situation.

and israel right-wing government should quit making provacative statements

I think you're giving the Iranian military far too much credit than it deserves.

If the US does attack the Iranians won't see it coming, the first thing the US will do is take control of the gulf. Iran's airforce is from the stone age, it will literally take the US hours to gain absolute air dominance and its purely a down hill battle from then on.

Also I don't think it will lead to such widespread destabilization, The Saudis and Emiratis can control things at their end, Israel can easily watch their own neighborhood. The US will be hard pressed though and the world economy will definitely suffer.

There's no way the world can talk Iran out of its nuclear program so we will eventually have to come to terms with a nuclear Iran. Military action won't really solve anything in any case.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Iran's an old old country, like Turkey. These 2 countries are pride of Muslim world, they don't bow down for anything. Independent foreign policy.

as i said earlier, im no fan of their regime though.....If you want, i can post videos of what basiji militiamen were doing to civilian protestors.


watch at your own will

 

[skeptic9]

Maybe they have their own Kapoor too.

 

[skeptic9]

Iran is the Real Tiger of ASIA. Look at him he is surrounded by enemies even his friends are not able to help him but still struggling and not surrendering to foreigners.

It's utter stupidity to invite/provoke enemies when you are not prepared for war imo.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

I think you're giving the Iranian military far too much credit than it deserves.

they fought an 8 year war, dude. While most militaries would crumble under sanctions/embargo of varying kind, they are still pretty well equipped, large in numbers, and pretty determined to maintain their national honour

If the US does attack the Iranians won't see it coming, the first thing the US will do is take control of the gulf.

Iran has strategic depth in Iraq, Lebanon, and other parts of the Persian Gulf/Fertile Crescent; and parts of Afghanistan, especially western non-Pukhtun areas. Yes, their airforce only has about 160-230 combat ready aircrafts -most of which are outdated and lack modern capability; but Iranian air defence network is quite comprehensive.

Armed services would play a defensive role. Navy, as i said, would mine the daylights out of the Straights of Hormuz. That in itself is a declaration of war, considering how much oil supplies pass through this area

Iran's airforce is from the stone age, it will literally take the US hours to gain absolute air dominance and its purely a down hill battle from then on.

I'm sure they know this. Iran would utilize its ballistic missiles mostly, probably against israel and targets in the gulf

(creating new war-fronts and diversions)

Hezbollah would probably begin hostilities with israel.........Sadr's Army in Iraq --which has been keeping low profile as of late --would almost certainly attack U.S. interests in Iraq.

Eastern Saudi Arabians would probably have some sympathies with Iran, due to sectarian realities. That would cause great worry to royal family --and so Saudi Arabia would be under immense pressure not to allow Americans landing rights

I'm sure from Pakistan and even india, many people would volunteer to fight. And imagine Western areas Afghanistan, in which Iran does have some influence. U.S. would alienate its own allies in the war-torn country. What would the ramifications of that be?

Overall, it would be a huge mess.

Also I don't think it will lead to such widespread destabilization, The Saudis and Emiratis can control things at their end, Israel can easily watch their own neighborhood. The US will be hard pressed though and the world economy will definitely suffer.

you're either mis-informed, or a bit naiive! But yes, world economy would more than suffer. It would be a disaster; i don't even want to think about what would happen to oil supplies and prices.

There's no way the world can talk Iran out of its nuclear program so we will eventually have to come to terms with a nuclear Iran. Military action won't really solve anything in any case.

diplomacy is the only way forward......israel is the one who has made all the provacative moves. Look what they did to unarmed people in Gaza with their warplanes.

israelis are the real killers. I have nothing against a "homeland" for Jews. But israelis --they are real experts at killing people. This is what they are good at.

Iran on other hand --never waged any war on any country in its existence.

 

[FreekiN]

They definitely couldn't take on the USA in a war. Israel perhaps? I doubt that too...

 

[Hussein]

Motaki is having hard words. but he is not the only one. Larijani did it yesterday too.

Khamenei changed a lot the islamic republic of Iran to a country in his hands.
Khomeiny was against the army being in politics and economy: Khamenei gave bassijis the positions and 50% of the economy. Even the presidency is in hand of a bassij .
Khomeiny created the budget commission and many commissions to avoid any dictatorship and repeated that Islam should be the morality of the laws but the experts are not the ayatollahs. Now Ahmadinejad canceled the beudget commission and Khamenei force the parliament to say any unacceptance of ministers. So now the parliament is totally bullshit and supporting Khamenei.

About parliament: with Khomeiny 50% of the guardians were selected by Khomeiny and these guardians choose if a candidate is acceptable. Now Khamenei is choosing 100% of them.
So for exemple in a city like Tehran voting 80% reformists they canceled all candidates reformists for deputy !

it became clearly a dictaroship with Khamenei and insulted the republic created by GA Khomeiny.

The bassijis : during the war they were heroes and important for the fight. Many in my families were. After the war they were not the same bassijis: now they are just people taking benefits. Look: they were paid 250 dollars to take a pic or video of any protestor they could help to arrest.

About foreigners:
We don't care. Iran is owned by us. We will care to have good relations with all and respect everyone.
England > i don't know what to think about them. It is one of the best democracy for journalism but in same time they helped very much the terrorist organization moudjahidines of people to be deleted from the terrorist list
About US > the relations officially are down. Not the business. From Dubai we have a lot of business with them. As well coca cola is allowed in Iran .. because Rafsandjani having the business for it
Only Khamenei and his small group of fanatic are anti USA. Us, Iranians, we don't care . No hatred towards anyone.

About nuclear > some countries are very agressive when Israel could do whatver they want because they did't sign TNP. What a bullshit.
Anyway i am following Montazeri and i agree totally that us muslims should not have this nuclear weapon but speak to the world to change it to avoid any weapon like this in this world.
Islam is a light. Islam is the good.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

They definitely couldn't take on the USA in a war. Israel perhaps? I doubt that too...

well.....assuming no outside intervention (which is unrealistic)


if israel attacked Iran, they would lose. Iran would just respond by firing ballistic missiles at israel; perhaps push Hezbollah to get embroiled in the situation.

Iran attacking israel with its Air Force ---also very unlikely, as it would bear NO "cake"....israel has a larger and more advanced air force.


Iran is a huge country. israel is extremely tiny. The psychological impact of a ballistic missile hitting israel would be severe.


Look how they responded when Zel zel and katyusha rockets were hitting Haifa and Tal Aviv.


in this situation, defenders win. Attackers lose.

however, israel still has US support. The Arabs --as usual --- are not likely to stand by Iran.......except maybe Syria, and Hezbollah/pro-Hezbollah elements in Lebanon.


As for Turkey ---not sure how they would react. They are extending a lot of diplomatic "lift" to Iran. But militarily, I don't think it would be in their own interest to take sides. It could have severe implications.




and by the way, U.S. would lose a lot by war in Iran. Don't forget about Kurds in Northern Iraq --who happen to be "US allies" in the country. I am pretty sure they would be enraged, since Iran also has a large number of Kurds.

 

[forcetrip]

No fan of Iran here either .. being realistic in goals .. Americans would decimate most functioning army of the Iranians withing minutes .. But do not take them for fools .. They are more than capable of making anything the military is doing after their decimation.. Iraq X afghanistan X 100 .. such is their plan .. and unfortunately the other countries grinding their teeth know it ..

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

No fan of Iran here either .. being realistic in goals .. Americans would decimate most functioning army of the Iranians withing minutes .. But do not take them for fools .. They are more than capable of making anything the military is doing after their decimation.. Iraq X afghanistan X 100 .. such is their plan .. and unfortunately the other countries grinding their teeth know it ..

Iran is our ally....i dont know why we wouldnt be their friends. It is obvious we have some differering geo-political interests, and conflicting interests as well (Gwadar vs. Chahbahar) and also some social conflicts (Baluchistan drugs/human trafficking problem).

but on the whole, i genuinely see them as a friendly country otherwise...at least on people to people level.

I dont think their army would crumble in minutes.......Iran is not Iraq or Afghanistan.


Iran is an old ancient country, the people are extremely nationalistic. Now, the country is slightly divided between pro and anti Islamic-revolution system. But any war against Iran would unite the people.

and when you have 74 million people, many of whom are under the age of 30-35........you can imagine that it isnt just the Army, Revolutionary Guards, and other militias that will fight the invaders.

civilians would probably arm themselves too......


a ground campaign in Iran would be suicide......air campaign against nuclear targets is always a possibility ---but once again --it has SEVERE implications in the entire region. It would be considered a blatant act of war.


I personally would NOT advise any Western misadventure against our neighbour, Iran.

 

[Spitfighter]

they fought an 8 year war, dude. While most militaries would crumble under sanctions/embargo of varying kind, they are still pretty well equipped, large in numbers, and pretty determined to maintain their national honour

I know they fought an 8 year war and I don't doubt their will to fight, its their capabilities I'm not so sure about. The US did more damage to Iraq within the first day of 'operation Iraqi freedom' rolleyes than Iran managed to do in those eight years.

You forget that the US has stealth bombers, thousands of cruise missiles and super carriers. They will hit all their command centers and missile batteries first. Iran might not even get the chance to coordinate a response.

Also the US doesn't need to put boots on the ground to destroy the Iranian nuclear program.

Iran has strategic depth in Iraq, Lebanon, and other parts of the Persian Gulf/Fertile Crescent; and parts of Afghanistan, especially western non-Pukhtun areas. Yes, their airforce only has about 160-230 combat ready aircrafts -most of which are outdated and lack modern capability; but Iranian air defence network is quite comprehensive.

They're still waiting for those S-300's, moreover they will be blanketed by bombs and missiles before they can ever be put to use.

Although I agree that Iraq and Afghanistan will be destabilized beyond recognition.

Armed services would play a defensive role. Navy, as i said, would mine the daylights out of the Straights of Hormuz. That in itself is a declaration of war, considering how much oil supplies pass through this area

Which is why they'll never get the chance. America has bases in the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait (I think), Bahrain etc. Iran might be able to disrupt the oil supplies for a little bit, but I don't think they can really bring them to a grinding halt.

I'm sure they know this. Iran would utilize its ballistic missiles mostly, probably against israel and targets in the gulf

Probably, but I think the US understands this too. They would try and take out as many as possible, besides Israel and the US have BMD's (Patriot, Arrow). Iran might have some successes here, but it won't win the war for them.

Hezbollah would probably begin hostilities with israel.........Sadr's Army in Iraq --which has been keeping low profile as of late --would almost certainly attack U.S. interests in Iraq.

Somehow many people think that Israel lost the war in Lebanon when the fact is that 10-15 times more Lebanese were killed, Israel literally tore down everything in their path. They suffered casualties of course, but Lebanon was hit way harder. I think Israel is more than capable of dealing with Hezbollah.

Iraq of course will burn.

Eastern Saudi Arabians would probably have some sympathies with Iran, due to sectarian realities. That would cause great worry to royal family --and so Saudi Arabia would be under immense pressure not to allow Americans landing rights

No way, the Saudis (and arabs in general) aren't particularly found of Iran. They would overtly or covertly support the US and Israel. They might come under some domestic pressure, but nothing of the sort the US can wield.

I'm sure from Pakistan and even india, many people would volunteer to fight. And imagine Western areas Afghanistan, in which Iran does have some influence. U.S. would alienate its own allies in the war-torn country. What would the ramifications of that be?

Overall, it would be a huge mess.

I don't know about India, but there would probably be plenty of people willing to fight in Pakistan . A war with Iran would really destabilize Afghanistan. India has its own strategic concerns in the region and this would definitely be bad news for us. Pakistan will suffer quite a bit itself if things in Afghanistan get any worse.

Huge mess indeed.

you're either mis-informed, or a bit naiive! But yes, world economy would more than suffer. It would be a disaster; i don't even want to think about what would happen to oil supplies and prices.

Bacche ko maaf kar do yaar. It'll be pretty bad I suppose, but you're implying something along the lines of a world war, I don't think it can go that far.

diplomacy is the only way forward......

Agreed. We'll have to come to terms with a nuclear Iran.

israel is the one who has made all the provacative moves.

They're playing the only card they have, a nuclear Iran could seriously undermine their existence so they'll do everything to make sure it doesn't happen. Terrorism and nuclear blackmail, we know how that goes.

Look what they did to unarmed people in Gaza with their warplanes.

Collective punishment. Heavy handed no doubt, but it certainly stopped the rockets. I definitely sympathize with the Palestinians but try to look at it from Israel's perspective also, they've been victimized, they're surrounded by hostile nations the only thing they can really do to safe guard their interests is be to dangerous and aggressive to mess with. I don't think their approach will work any longer, but that's a separate discussion altogether.

israelis are the real killers. I have nothing against a "homeland" for Jews. But israelis --they are real experts at killing people. This is what they are good at.

In my honest opinion, Pakistan is worse, no offense. I have my reasons but I don't want to get into them and derail the thread, perhaps some other time.

Iran on other hand --never waged any war on any country in its existence.

Kya baat kar raha hai dude.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

I know they fought an 8 year war and I don't doubt their will to fight, its their capabilities I'm not so sure about. The US did more damage to Iraq within the first day of 'operation Iraqi freedom' rolleyes than Iran managed to do in those eight years.

yes US did more damage.....8 year war was mostly a war of attrition.

Baghdad fell in 2003 without a fight.....insurgency only got strong later -before waning.

You forget that the US has stealth bombers, thousands of cruise missiles and super carriers. They will hit all their command centers and missile batteries first. Iran might not even get the chance to coordinate a response.

no i didnt forget....my point was that Iran has strategic assets --incidentally in countries where US has some kind of presence.

USA is militarily FAR superior. But they would be dealing with a lot of direct and indirect "costs"

Also the US doesn't need to put boots on the ground to destroy the Iranian nuclear program.

true....but their installations are buried quite deep. Not sure what they would use to penetrate.

They're still waiting for those S-300's, moreover they will be blanketed by bombs and missiles before they can ever be put to use.

i dont know about the battle-proven-ness of S-300 system. Not sure what is going on between Russia and Iran in this regard.

Iran has a pretty good 'ack-ack' network, especially around sensitive sites

Although I agree that Iraq and Afghanistan will be destabilized beyond recognition.

it would be pretty messy

Which is why they'll never get the chance. America has bases in the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait (I think), Bahrain etc. Iran might be able to disrupt the oil supplies for a little bit, but I don't think they can really bring them to a grinding halt.

grinding halt, i dont know.....but as it is, world is still recovering from world financial crisis. What will happen when price/barrel sky-rockets?

Probably, but I think the US understands this too. They would try and take out as many as possible, besides Israel and the US have BMD's (Patriot, Arrow). Iran might have some successes here, but it won't win the war for them.

i think their strategy would be to out-stretch their adversaries, and also aim for psychological warfare.

as i said, israel is a tiny tiny dot on the world map. One missile lands in israeli capital, and whole population will be in bomb shelters

Somehow many people think that Israel lost the war in Lebanon when the fact is that 10-15 times more Lebanese were killed, Israel literally tore down everything in their path. They suffered casualties of course, but Lebanon was hit way harder. I think Israel is more than capable of dealing with Hezbollah.

israel's objectives were to stop rocket fire, and recover its kidnapped soldiers.....they failed at both

they tried to destroy Hezbollah arms depots and infrastructure...while Hezbollah took a beating, they still managed to maintain their positions and a decent stockpile even after israelis withdrew empty handed

israelis killed mostly civilians....whereas, most Hezbollah kills were israeli military soldiers....


Hezbollah is still very much alive (armed wing as well as political) and functioning!!

No "cake" for israelis

No way, the Saudis (and arabs in general) aren't particularly found of Iran. They would overtly or covertly support the US and Israel. They might come under some domestic pressure, but nothing of the sort the US can wield.

sectarian realities

I don't know about India, but there would probably be plenty of people willing to fight in Pakistan

sectarian realities.....

as for fighters from Pakistan --it would be quite likely. Probably via Baluchistan. Officially, Pakistan would probably want to remain as far away from the conflict as possible....though we would be very against hostilities against a friendly neighbour country

A war with Iran would really destabilize Afghanistan. India has its own strategic concerns in the region and this would definitely be bad news for us. Pakistan will suffer quite a bit itself if things in Afghanistan get any worse.

Americans would probably switch loyalties and end up supporting the Afghan taleban.

Northern Alliance tends to lean more towards Iran.

but you're implying something along the lines of a world war, I don't think it can go that far.

not world war.....but definately a Greater Middle East war. There's no doubt about it.

and it wouldnt serve Mr. Obama well

Agreed. We'll have to come to terms with a nuclear Iran.

seems that way.....

They're playing the only card they have, a nuclear Iran could seriously undermine their existence so they'll do everything to make sure it doesn't happen. Terrorism and nuclear blackmail, we know how that goes.

not much israel can do, other than try to attack. It's a tiny tiny country with very little leverage on its own.

Collective punishment. Heavy handed no doubt, but it certainly stopped the rockets. I sympathize with the Palestinians but try to look at it from Israel's perspective, they've been victimized before, they're surrounded by hostile nations the only thing they can really do to safe guard their interests is be to dangerous and aggressive to mess with. I don't think their approach will work any longer, but that's a separate discussion altogether.

who are the israelis? Most of them are Eastern European immigrants who settled there. You have Sephardics, many of whom fled Middle Eastern countries for U.S. and Latin America; then re-settled in israel

the israelis arent indigenous to the land

and i dont feel sorry for people who use warplanes to blatantly bomb civilians left-right and center.

I recognize, as a Pakistani --that it is hypocritical of me to say that Jews dont deserve a homeland. But i dont like the behaviour or approach of the zionist movement --which is basically terrorism.

Safe guarding your interests doesnt mean bulldozing homes, kicking people out of their homes, destroying economy of Palestinians, and controlling their resources --from water, to medicine, to electricity to even foreign aid.

how many UN Resolutions is israel in violation of, at the moment?

even as i type this, illegal settlements are under construction.


I personally believe in 1967 borders solution, with de-centalized Jerusalem.

In my honest opinion, Pakistan is worse, no offense. I have my reasons but I don't want to get into them and derail the thread, perhaps some other time.

well if you think Pakistan is bad, just look in the mirror first and yes, dont de-rail the thread

Kya baat kar raha hai dude.

well i can understand your anger....it was afterall Nader Shah's strong army which JACKED the indians pretty good.....took the treasures from Delhi, including Koh-e-Noor!!!!!!!

my distant ancestors from my father's side took part in that raid, as they were intially based in Khorasan

 

[Kompromat]

BBC's Pathetic coverage speaks for itself , These PUMS poke their nose everywhere..