UK Slams Eurofighter Typhoon

[Agnostic_Indian]

For Gods sake no US planes plz. I think we have ordered their heavy lifters and that should be it. The recent saga involving Italian satellite should be indicative of the unchanged attitude of US towards other countries.

what is with italian satellite ?

 

[blackops]

Well if we have to buy the f18 then take it with a mix like 200 rafale 70 f18 for strike missions

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Or it can be taken by the navy for our ac

 

[EastWest]

what is with italian satellite ?

Americans were not happy with Italians as they used the indian launch vehicle to launch their satellite.They were angry as the satellite had sensitive american technology.This news was released in a wikileak cable.

 

[S-A-B-E-R->]

guys if u get f 18 ll u be able to launch it frm ur new aircraft carrier?

 

[angeldemon_007]

guys if u get f 18 ll u be able to launch it frm ur new aircraft carrier?

Yes. It is also offered to IN.

Or it can be taken by the navy for our ac

But i think F18 is too big for our AC. I think India will go for some other fighter and according to me rafale should be the only choice if IN does not select F18. F35 is the best but its upto the government whether they will sanction a 135-140 million$ fighter.

I read somewhere, that rafale's customized version will be cheaper, something around 55 million $ (I am not able to find that article, please post it if somebody finds it). I choice will be customized rafale with Rafael's Litening G-4 targeting pod and Elta's Elta EL/M-2052 aesa radar would make it the best multi role fighter in MMRCA competition.

I was reading a comparison of F18 with other fighter jets offered to India in MMRCA and it was not looking good unless Boeing offers that advanced SH but boeing is trying to make money, they are offering us F18 SH and with the option to participate in international roadmap plan, as if they are doing a favor to us, but we know we might be the biggest customer of boeing's this international roadmap plan, they need us.

If we don't selecct US fighter jets then we must definitely go for Israeli's aesa. We can request US-Israel to get us elta's aesa because it is one of the best. Also we should get Israel's targeting pod, as again it is one of the best.

 

[tallboy123]

best deal Rafale no strings attached,full tot...but one problem is delay...we have seen the delay in tot of scorpene

 

[Kinetic]

Guys don't make your mind a report based by Suman Sharma. IAF has made its requirements and if EF has to win they might have fulfilled all the criteria.

 

[angeldemon_007]

Guys don't make your mind a report based by Suman Sharma. IAF has made its requirements and if EF has to win they might have fulfilled all the criteria.

Thats true but rafale is more developed fighter than EF. They just cleared aesa by the end of 2010while by that time aesa was already tested on rafale cleared for induction by 2012, while EF might cause delays. I would have chosen EF also for the customized version but its too expensive.

My problem with rafale is maintenance and upgrade might get expensive but we have no experience either with EF, SAAB and Boeing also, so we cannot predict whether the similar problem which we are facing with mirage upgrade, might occur with others also.

F16 is safe because there are many countries which are authorized to upgrade and do maintenance for f16but we won't be buying f16.

 

[perplexed]

Thats true but rafale is more developed fighter than EF. They just cleared aesa by the end of 2010while by that time aesa was already tested on rafale cleared for induction by 2012, while EF might cause delays. I would have chosen EF also for the customized version but its too expensive.

My problem with rafale is maintenance and upgrade might get expensive but we have no experience either with EF, SAAB and Boeing also, so we cannot predict whether the similar problem which we are facing with mirage upgrade, might occur with others also.

F16 is safe because there are many countries which are authorized to upgrade and do maintenance for f16but we won't be buying f16.

No way we are going to choose F16. whatever block they give us. We should still go with Typhoon.
And most importantly, dont forget that IAF have flight tested all the toys in most varying conditions. They knows better than these watchdogs if typhoon is suitable for a2g attack roles. There is no fooling around which is possible. Also, INDIA can go for TOT and licensed production which will reduce the costs and may even be a part of the future development program + the option for customization is open i guess.

 

[sancho]

I choice will be customized rafale with Rafael's Litening G-4 targeting pod and Elta's Elta EL/M-2052 aesa radar would make it the best multi role fighter in MMRCA competition.

Both has US techs in it and would not be sanction free, also if you think the 2052 would offer more range, you have to keep in mind that it would have the same small diameter as the RBE 2 AESA, because the diameter is the limiting factor, not the radar itself.

Guys don't make your mind a report based by Suman Sharma. IAF has made its requirements and if EF has to win they might have fulfilled all the criteria.

That will be the most interesting point, because imo they can't fulfill the requirements, be it for A2G capabilities, or AESA radar, were it is clearly behind nearly all other contenders. For IAF these must be crucial points, that limits the operational service to the air superiority and basic CAS roles, not to mention the delays in the development of AESA radar and the T3B upgrade.
The high costs that the article is talking about are nothing new and were predictable, but one has to ask if the costs are worth it and with these operational limitations, I don't see how the highest cost could be worth it.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Both has US techs in it and would not be sanction free, also if you think the 2052 would offer more range, you have to keep in mind that it would have the same small diameter as the RBE 2 AESA, because the diameter is the limiting factor, not the radar itself.




That will be the most interesting point, because imo they can't fulfill the requirements, be it for A2G capabilities, or AESA radar, were it is clearly behind nearly all other contenders. For IAF these must be crucial points, that limits the operational service to the air superiority and basic CAS roles, not to mention the delays in the development of AESA radar and the T3B upgrade.
The high costs that the article is talking about are nothing new and were predictable, but one has to ask if the costs are worth it and with these operational limitations, I don't see how the highest cost could be worth it.

can't we use mki for ground attack and TYPHOON for air superiority ?

 

[JPUSINVNSCK]

Indian should be appreciate this chance,This bird is a very good aircraft.I think it can satisfy all your need for battle role.

 

[sancho]

can't we use mki for ground attack and TYPHOON for air superiority ?

MKI has good ground attack capabilities, but is designed for air superiority and we will get FGFA that will replace it from this role by the end of the decade, adding another fighter for the same role doesn't make sense, especially not for these costs. As long as EF partners don't commit themself to additional A2G capabilities and upgrades, the EF is not the right choice for IAF, or for IN.

 

[Machoman]

I highly doubt that India will go for F-18 if EF deal did not work out. I think Rafale is second option for them, but lets see.

 

[SR 71 Blackbird]

Rafael is the best choice for IAF as Dassault has agreed to share source source code for it's AESA radar,thus Indian scientist can reprogram it.