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Does secular british state have the right to dictate private religious beliefs of any faith?


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Activist Kasim Javed describes the UK Government’s mosque registration plans as a “secular oxymoron”.


On the 26th November 2015, as part of the Government’s Prevent Strategy, the Department of Education launched a consultation period calling for evidence regarding the Government’s proposals for Out-of-School education settings with a response deadline by 11th January 2016. This comes on the back of the keynote speech to the Conservative Party Conference, by David Cameron on the 7th October 2015 who continued to proliferate the strawman argument of “non-violent extremism” and using the cloak of national security, unleashed his ideological war against Islam. Only this time, he announced a far reaching consequence that marks the zenith of contradictions for the secular belief system of Britain.

“So I can announce this today: If an institution is teaching children intensively, then whatever its religion, we will, like any other school, make it register so it can be inspected. And be in no doubt: if you are teaching intolerance, we will shut you down.

Earlier this year, David Cameron was flaunting the Magna Carta as “a great document in our history,” adding: “It is what my favourite book, ‘Our Island Story’, describes as the ‘foundation of all our laws and liberties’. In sealing it, King John had to accept his subjects were citizens – for the first time giving them rights, protections and security.”

Besides the fact that, Cameron himself had no idea what “Magna Carta” literally meant when challenged on US television in 2012, the proposed policy to inspect faith based educational settings (which will obviously disproportionately target Mosques/Madrassas) contradicts the first clause of the Magna Carta, ‘The English Church shall be free, and shall have its rights undiminished, and its liberties unimpaired’.

A secular state intervening into religious institutions is an oxymoron. So long for the 1559 Elizabethan Church-State settlement that set out separate spheres for the Church and State which was done in the coronation oath sworn by every monarch as well as in the 39 articles of the Church of England. So long for the 1689 Toleration Act, which effectively legalised the existence of non-Anglican places of worship ceasing to define ‘true Christianity’. So long for the 1719 repeal of the Schism ACT that meant teachers were no longer required to subscribe to particular beliefs, and the 1779 Dissenter Relief Act which meant that teachers no longer had to be licensed by the Government. So long for the 1812 repeal of the 1664 and 1669 Conventicle Acts and 1665 Five Mile Act that gave full legal freedom for the existence of unregistered places of worship. And so long for the 1855 Places of Worship Registration Act that extended religious liberties and exempted places of worship from having to subject their funds for inspection.

The theory that vindicates all of these counter-extremism policies, the theory of radicalisation, has already been unequivocally refuted. The argument that terrorists are motivated by the Islamic ideology irrespective of the political circumstance would inevitably undertake violent acts do not stand-up to academic scrutiny. John Horgan, the director of the International Centre for the study of terrorism in the University of Pennsylvania from 2007-2013 said: “The idea that radicalization causes terrorism is perhaps the greatest myth alive today in terrorism research … [First], the overwhelming majority of people who hold radical beliefs do not engage in violence. And second, there is increasing evidence that people who engage in terrorism don’t necessarily hold radical beliefs.

In fact according to the government’s own officials and experts, suggesting that “Islamist extremist” aspirations are a gateway to terrorism is incorrect. Perpetrators may hold these specific beliefs have not been proven to be a causal factor of violence, and such beliefs are similarly shared by millions of other Muslims globally as well as many living in the West.

Moreover, sophisticated analysis carried out by MI5’s behavioural science unit, based on in-depth case studies on “several hundred individuals known to be involved in, or closely associated with, violent extremist activity” found that a large number of those involved in terrorism do not practise their faith regularly. Many lack religious literacy and could actually be regarded as religious novices. MI5 says there is evidence that a well-established religious identity actually protects against violent radicalisation. In addition to this, a report by the Royal United Services Institute published on the 16th October 2015, found that the hypothesis that‘Madrassas should be the primary focus of attention in education as their students are particularly vulnerable to extremist narratives’ was not supported.

Mosques and Madrassas are seen by the Muslim community as institutions in which their children can be protected from the tribulations of secular liberal culture. There is a reason why Muslims opting out from the mainstream is an upward trajectory. Increased number of Mosques, Shari’ah courts for regulating personal affairs such as marriage and inheritance, Islamic finance to avoid interest based mortgages, Islamic schools, Islamic student loans, Charitable causes specifically for the Muslim world etc. No, Muslims are not hijacking Britain. Rather, they simply want to protect the Islamic identity and raise Muslim children. All of the additions of “fostering terrorism” etc are completely exaggerated if not outright lies. The obvious evidence against the policy to register Mosques is that there has not been a single case of terrorism directly connected to the education curriculums of Mosques since the early waves of Muslim migration in this country over half a century ago. All of a sudden we are led to believe that Mosques and Madrassas are breeding grounds for terrorism, really where is the evidence?

Surely, if you wanted to identify a citizen who is a threat to national security you would invest your resources in looking for clues that indicate a citizen is a physical threat such as possession of weapons, a criminal record or association with violent groups. If one wishes to find a needle in a particular haystack, the least productive strategy of all is to spend time searching all the haystacks in the field just in case there might be another needle in one of them. The only reason you would do this is if you had an insidious agenda which is not actually to find citizens who are a national security threat but to use this as a pretext to look for something else. In this case it is clear that what the Government are looking for is to intervene in Islamic teaching settings to concoct signs of “extremism” and then invade them with liberal ideas. “Extremism” is a pejorative that has been juxtaposed to key Islamic beliefs and values on issues such as morality, sexuality, gender roles and political views such as the idea that Israel is an illegal entity, belief in the Caliphate, the Shari’ah and many other ideas of Islam that are not palatable to liberals. In other words, the more your beliefs and loyalty rest with Islam, the more “extreme” you are.

If these proposals are to go ahead it would be the greatest ideological suicide for secularism since its inception and a key milestone of its demise, akin to the radical reforms of Gorbachev that eventually led to the demise of the Soviet Union. In a way such proposals are a sign of exoneration, not despondency for Muslims, for they expose the fragility, not potency, of Secularism to win the hearts and minds.

In response to the Gov proposal to register Madrassas, over 300 Mosques, Madrassas, Imam’s and teachers have signed a joint-statement on a campaign launched called “Keep Mosques Independent” unequivocally rejecting the Government’s proposal to register Mosques and expressing their desire to “Keep Mosques Independent”. You can find out more on www.keepmosquesindependent.org

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A secular state should not dictate private religious beliefs



The secular British State has no business interfering in the teaching of private religious beliefs and practices, writes Jahangir Mohammed.


At the Conservative Party Conference last year, Prime Minister David Cameron announced that he planned to regulate madrassas in this country, arguing that some were teaching intolerance.

“But in some madrassas we’ve got children being taught that they shouldn’t mix with people of other religions; being beaten; swallowing conspiracy theories about Jewish people. These children should be having their minds opened; their horizons broadened not having their heads filled with poison and their hearts filled with hate”.

According to Cameron, madrassas should now be regulated by being forced to register and being subject to school type inspections, and even closure if found teaching “intolerance”.

Cameron provided no evidence to substantiate his allegations, yet his assertion is enough to justify the enforcement of around 2,000 madrassas to be regulated.



The UK Government has since published its consultation paper on proposals to regulate what it calls “out of school education settings” – read madrassas. That consultation period comes to an end on Monday 11thJanuary, and has drawn widespread criticism from the Muslim community.

Functional madrassas

Mr Cameron relying on his neo-con advisers appears to have little understanding of the primary function of a madrassa and how they operate. Most Muslim children have been to a madrassa. Parents send their children to such institutions primarily to learn Arabic and reading of the Quran.

They also learn the basic practices of their faith, such as how to do your ablutions, pray and fast, as well as learning their mother tongue. Some madrassas do provide a more detailed Islamic education, but most provide a low cost (often a few pounds a week), quick and easy way to learn the basics of their faith.

They are not educational settings per se, but more religious ones. They are not about advancing education, but advancing private religious beliefs. Yes, there are concerns in some about health and safety, and safeguarding children from physical harm, but these matters are already well within the remit of local authorities and covered by existing laws.

However, the idea that they are places where in depth Islamic values and knowledge are taught or learnt is not far from accurate. In many, even the Quran is taught simply in Arabic without understanding or elaborating on the content.

Attack on religious freedom

The idea that such settings should be controlled by the state, including the content of what is being taught, and monitored through snap inspections by state OFSTED inspectors, is a gross violation of the principle of freedom of religion.

It is not the business of a secular state with its predominantly non- Muslim OFSTED inspectors to dictate to Muslim parents how their child should be taught Arabic, the Quran, and the basic religious practices, which we are paying for privately. Nor is it their business to impose secular liberal British values in the teachings of private religious practices and beliefs. Madrassas are about private religious beliefs not “British values”, they go to school to learn that along with other societal issues.

If we accept that Mr Cameron and the state has a right to interfere in our children’s learning of the Quran and the basics of our faith then, then we have accepted the idea that the British State has a right to control the content and the teaching of Islam and Quran. In doing so, we accept that at least for Muslims, there is no such thing as a “right to private religious belief” in Britain. It is the beginning of a slippery slope to start wanting to control the content of Islam education, and even the interpretation of the Quran.



The current madrassa system is not complicated, it is affordable to all, and it serves the purpose for which our parents designed it – high volume teaching of reading the Quran in Arabic and learning the basics of the faith. Regulation will require professional teachers, higher standards, compliance with added administrative costs, and headaches (including legal/consultant costs associated with state and media intrusion). That would inevitably lead to an increase in charges, which parents simply cannot afford to pay, and many would simply close. I doubt the state is willing to pay for all these associated costs, and nor do Muslims expect the taxpayers to do so.

Prevent in madrassas

Somewhere along the line the UK Government seems to have accepted an argument about the link between madrassas and violent extremism. It is easy to point the finger at a madrassa since almost every Muslim went to one, and you can always make a tenuous link; but does the fact that Muslim children who went to a madrassa end up in a life of criminality, or as doctors and lawyers, mean that the madrassa is responsible for their career path or their wrongdoings? Certainly not, that would be absurd. In that case we could equally blame state schools for those that turn to violence, drugs and general criminality.

The idea that private “out of school educational settings” should be subject to the same type of Prevent duty – to report children for “extremism” – as the public sector is now expected to do under the Counter Terrorism and Security Act, is simply a means for an extension of Prevent into the Islamic teachings within a private sector.

The type of interference and control of religious teachings being proposed by the UK Government amounts to a fundamental interference of a secular state in the sphere of private religious beliefs. It will mean that the only space Muslims now have to teach and freely express their faith is at home. I wonder how long before the British state decides that the teaching of religion in a private home also requires regulation.

State control of religion is something that was implemented in Communist states during the Cold War, and it’s not very “British” I might add.

Jahangir Mohammed is the Director of the Centre for Muslim Affairs.
 
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UK is not ready to change its policy of attacking Muslim countries and allowing abusing Islam but think these measures will do anything good . First they came up with idea of countering extremism by bunch of fools who are running a foundation through UK Government funds which already have backfired and resulted in more extremism so UK first change your policies and stop being USA ally in every war.
 
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Fix up your poll, only one answer is different from the rest.

There is nothing wrong with the poll. U can give multiple answers. Should i add an option like "yes (i am an islamophobe)" for those who don't want to call themselves liberal ? Let me know.
 
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There is nothing wrong with the poll. U can give multiple answers. Should i add an option like "yes (i am an islamophobe)" for those who don't want to call themselves liberal ? Let me know.
You might as well, it wouldn't make any difference considering the way you worded the first choice.
 
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You might as well, it wouldn't make any difference considering the way you worded the first choice.

It better to have clear voting options and not an ambiguous one. i just made sure that options are clear and not ambiguous. :)

Its a good plan, some uncontrolled Mosques with some dubious Imams became hotspot for recruiting jihadists in Europe.

U have no proof of your claims. Just rants based on preconceived bias.

Such claims have already been busted by non-muslim academics.

Rather than beating around the bush and giving pathetic excuses why don't u admit that u as a liberal believe that anything that goes against liberalism is extremism/terrorism? Are u ashamed of your liberal values?
 
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only register they need to record the data whom came in and go out also.
 
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U have no proof of your claims. Just rants based on preconceived bias.

Such claims have already been busted by non-muslim academics.
No its based on first hand experince with the issue, you on the other hand are not living here so better listen to my words instead of becoming emotional on every single issue regarding religion. Dont worry thinking a little bit pragmatic wont hurt your faith.

Better say anything against liberalism is terrorism/extremism etc rather than beating around the bush and coming up with pathetic excuses. Are u ashamed of your liberal values?
This doesnt make sense.
 
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Yes all mosques need to be registered with the government. The government should have a record of all mosques in this country and around the world. Some mosques have unfortunately become breeding grounds of hatred and terrorism. The worshippers themselves need to also help the government in identifying extremist imams so they can be apprehended.

Good move, I support it. (Even though I don't support the Conservative Party).


And Lmao at the poll. Talk about biasness.:rofl:

UK is not ready to change its policy of attacking Muslim countries and allowing abusing Islam but think these measures will do anything good . First they came up with idea of countering extremism by bunch of fools who are running a foundation through UK Government funds which already have backfired and resulted in more extremism so UK first change your policies and stop being USA ally in every war.

Yet Muslims from all over the world are running to this anti Islamic country. Wonder why? Either your opinion is BS or Muslims are hypocrites.
 
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Not a bad idea, will probably curb the extremist section who go unnoticed.
 
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No its based on first hand experince with the issue, you on the other hand are not living here so better listen to my words instead of becoming emotional on every single issue regarding religion. Dont worry thinking a little bit pragmatic wont hurt your faith.

It seems u didn't even bother reading the article or the links in it. It seems u r afraid of reading since u may learn something that would shake your fragile liberal beliefs.

Just explain to me why UK needs to coin vague terms like non-violent extremism? Their home secretary stated on record that its meant to persecute people who remain within law and don't advocate violence.

They have a policy called PREVENT that mandates literal spying on muslims by non-muslim citizens. Innocent and completely harmless acts such as having a beard have got people reported.

Already prominent mainstream scholars have been branded extremist not to mention the hateful smear campaign by their media.

This is a clear case of a secular state trying to intervene on what muslims teach their children. WHat does the british PM mean by "teaching intolerance" ? Who will define what's intolerance? The british PM stated on record that his gov is there to promote undefined and vague "british values". Now what if some one don't agree with UK gov defined "british values" and calls them immoral ? Is he a non-violent extremist?

I know u would support UK on this since u are a supporter of that anti-islamic bigot ataturk who also persecuted turkish muslims and hated islam with a passion. Just don't try to come up with pathetic arguments and excuse to hide your bias.



This doesnt make sense.

Liberalism is inherently intolerant. Secularism is anti-religion.
 
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