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UK is not for 'Tibetan independence'

Note the British silence about Independence of Hong Kong.

Greedy brits ... because Tibet has much little economic value compared to HongKong.

Anyway, brits don't determine, when Tibet gains independence. :tup:

The Dalai Lama don't want "independence", he wants "autonomy". And given the Chinese attitudes, he's dead right on that one.
 
Restore in what ways???

Do you know how tibet was operated before???

Those monks and elites did not work or produce. They all depended on those slaves, at least 95% of the populations, aka "serfs", on production and labor. Those serfs lives were at the hands of the ruling elites.

CCP has already terminated the slavery system there and freed all of those serfs. So what kind of restoration do you want then???


Clearing Tibet of all non-tibetans (Chinese immigrants for instance) is an unreasonable request, IF the Chinese don't mass-migrate to Tibet.

But a reasonable request for Tibetans to the Chinese would be "greater religious freedom".
Allow the Tibetans to restore their monestaries as they see fit (you Chinese should never have gone draconian on Tibetan religion and monestaries, and should NOT have destroyed the majority of Tibetan monestaries, as I believe to have read somewhere you did).

With monestaries and religion to arrange on their own, Tibetans would hate being under Chinese leadership a LOT less, I think.
Plus, it would become a nice tourist-destination. :)
 
Restore in what ways???

Do you know how tibet was operated before???

Those monks and elites did not work or produce. They all depended on those slaves, at least 95% of the populations, aka "serfs", on production and labor. Those serfs lives were at the hands of the ruling elites.

CCP has already terminated the slavery system there and freed all of those serfs. So what kind of restoration do you want then???

And from every Tibetan family young boys were trained as monks, so the entire population had a fair chance at that so-called "easy life". And I have no doubt the monks helped out the needy whenever they could.

Just before China annexxed Tibet (there goes your right to say you don't interfere with other countries, eh) by gross military action, and physically destroyed many monestaries and killed many monks and outlawed (by death penalty if i'm not mistaken?) their religion (instead of just working on what you called slavery and leaving the rest of the religion in tact), the young dalai lama (yes, the currently living dalai lama) had started to improve his own religion (for instance by freeing many of the prisoners held by corrupt tibetan monks) (see seven years in tibet torrent, download with µTorrent - a (very) tiny BitTorrent client). You Chinese did not "free Tibetans from slavery", you robbed them of their cultural identity with deaththreats, murder, forced labor punishments and more nasty draconian measures.
Even what the Chinese government does to it's own people can be called dictatorial to a very evil level in many cases.

Now as to what type of restoration I mentioned? How about the Chinese government not only fully and publicly allowing the Tibetans to practice their religion again, get rid of that slavery factor (if it even exists) by peaceful pursuasion only, and PAY SOME OF THE RE-CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR MONESTARIES THAT WERE PHYSICALLY DESTROYED BY THE CHINESE GOVERNENT.
 
And from every Tibetan family young boys were trained as monks, so the entire population had a fair chance at that so-called "easy life". And I have no doubt the monks helped out the needy whenever they could.

Just before China annexxed Tibet (there goes your right to say you don't interfere with other countries, eh) by gross military action, and physically destroyed many monestaries and killed many monks and outlawed (by death penalty if i'm not mistaken?) their religion (instead of just working on what you called slavery and leaving the rest of the religion in tact), the young dalai lama (yes, the currently living dalai lama) had started to improve his own religion (for instance by freeing many of the prisoners held by corrupt tibetan monks) (see seven years in tibet torrent, download with µTorrent - a (very) tiny BitTorrent client). You Chinese did not "free Tibetans from slavery", you robbed them of their cultural identity with deaththreats, murder, forced labor punishments and more nasty draconian measures.
Even what the Chinese government does to it's own people can be called dictatorial to a very evil level in many cases.

Now as to what type of restoration I mentioned? How about the Chinese government not only fully and publicly allowing the Tibetans to practice their religion again, get rid of that slavery factor (if it even exists) by peaceful pursuasion only, and PAY SOME OF THE RE-CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR MONESTARIES THAT WERE PHYSICALLY DESTROYED BY THE CHINESE GOVERNENT.

Tibet religion is the worst, we should get rid of it once and for all
 
Tibet religion is the worst, we should get rid of it once and for all

Irregardless what religion or politic was in the Tibet area in the past, Tibet is now as an inseparable part China as Hawaii, Texas, New York a part of USA.
 
And from every Tibetan family young boys were trained as monks, so the entire population had a fair chance at that so-called "easy life". And I have no doubt the monks helped out the needy whenever they could.

Just before China annexxed Tibet (there goes your right to say you don't interfere with other countries, eh) by gross military action, and physically destroyed many monestaries and killed many monks and outlawed (by death penalty if i'm not mistaken?) their religion (instead of just working on what you called slavery and leaving the rest of the religion in tact), the young dalai lama (yes, the currently living dalai lama) had started to improve his own religion (for instance by freeing many of the prisoners held by corrupt tibetan monks) (see seven years in tibet torrent, download with µTorrent - a (very) tiny BitTorrent client). You Chinese did not "free Tibetans from slavery", you robbed them of their cultural identity with deaththreats, murder, forced labor punishments and more nasty draconian measures.
Even what the Chinese government does to it's own people can be called dictatorial to a very evil level in many cases.

Now as to what type of restoration I mentioned? How about the Chinese government not only fully and publicly allowing the Tibetans to practice their religion again, get rid of that slavery factor (if it even exists) by peaceful pursuasion only, and PAY SOME OF THE RE-CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR MONESTARIES THAT WERE PHYSICALLY DESTROYED BY THE CHINESE GOVERNENT.

Maybe you should watch the Red River Valley. Available on Youtube.

红河谷 01 - YouTube
 
And from every Tibetan family young boys were trained as monks, so the entire population had a fair chance at that so-called "easy life". And I have no doubt the monks helped out the needy whenever they could.

Just before China annexxed Tibet (there goes your right to say you don't interfere with other countries, eh) by gross military action, and physically destroyed many monestaries and killed many monks and outlawed (by death penalty if i'm not mistaken?) their religion (instead of just working on what you called slavery and leaving the rest of the religion in tact), the young dalai lama (yes, the currently living dalai lama) had started to improve his own religion (for instance by freeing many of the prisoners held by corrupt tibetan monks) (see seven years in tibet torrent, download with µTorrent - a (very) tiny BitTorrent client). You Chinese did not "free Tibetans from slavery", you robbed them of their cultural identity with deaththreats, murder, forced labor punishments and more nasty draconian measures.
Even what the Chinese government does to it's own people can be called dictatorial to a very evil level in many cases.

Now as to what type of restoration I mentioned? How about the Chinese government not only fully and publicly allowing the Tibetans to practice their religion again, get rid of that slavery factor (if it even exists) by peaceful pursuasion only, and PAY SOME OF THE RE-CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR MONESTARIES THAT WERE PHYSICALLY DESTROYED BY THE CHINESE GOVERNENT.

China did not annex Tibet because everybody recognized Tibet as part of China.

And the 13th Dalai Lama tried pulling off this stunt before the "annexation" happened.

Sino-Tibetan War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This book is from Columbia University Press. Not China.

Tibetan Buddhists In The Making Of Modern China - Gray Tuttle - Google Books

Over the past century and with varying degrees of success, China has tried to integrate Tibet into the modern Chinese nation-state. In this groundbreaking work, Gray Tuttle reveals the surprising role Buddhism and Buddhist leaders played in the development of the modern Chinese state and in fostering relations between Tibet and China from the Republican period (1912-1949) to the early years of Communist rule. Beyond exploring interactions between Buddhists and politicians in Tibet and China, Tuttle offers new insights on the impact of modern ideas of nationalism, race, and religion in East Asia.

After the fall of the Qing dynasty in 1911, the Chinese Nationalists, without the traditional religious authority of the Manchu Emperor, promoted nationalism and racial unity in an effort to win support among Tibetans. Once this failed, Chinese politicians appealed to a shared Buddhist heritage. This shift in policy reflected the late-nineteenth-century academic notion of Buddhism as a unified world religion, rather than a set of competing and diverse Asian religious practices.

While Chinese politicians hoped to gain Tibetan loyalty through religion, the promotion of a shared Buddhist heritage allowed Chinese Buddhists and Tibetan political and religious leaders to pursue their goals. During the 1930s and 1940s, Tibetan Buddhist ideas and teachers enjoyed tremendous popularity within a broad spectrum of Chinese society and especially among marginalized Chinese Buddhists. Even when relationships between the elite leadership between the two nations broke down, religious and cultural connections remained strong. After the Communists seized control, they continued to exploit this link when exerting control over Tibet by force in the 1950s. And despite being an avowedly atheist regime, with the exception of the Cultural Revolution, the Chinese communist government has continued to recognize and support many elements of Tibetan religious, if not political, culture.

Tuttle's study explores the role of Buddhism in the formation of modern China and its relationship to Tibet through the lives of Tibetan and Chinese Buddhists and politicians and by drawing on previously unexamined archival and governmental materials, as well as personal memoirs of Chinese politicians and Buddhist monks, and ephemera from religious ceremonies.
 
Tibet religion is the worst, we should get rid of it once and for all

Ah, well, then I can't respect you (and anyone who thanks such a bullshit statement) at all anymore.

Irregardless what religion or politic was in the Tibet area in the past, Tibet is now as an inseparable part China as Hawaii, Texas, New York a part of USA.

Yea, I already got the part where China won't give Tibet their independence back.

Do you also agree (like "darkhero" (not a hero at all in my view)) Tibetan religion must be destroyed?
 
Maybe you should watch the Red River Valley. Available on Youtube.

红河谷 01 - YouTube

I've never heard or read about Tibetans performing ANY human sacrifices to ANY God before.
This piece of Chinese propaganda is the first to do so, and since no other source has confirmed it, I'm going to assume it's a CHINESE LIE, to justify their oppression of the Tibetan monks.
 
China did not annex Tibet because everybody recognized Tibet as part of China.

And the 13th Dalai Lama tried pulling off this stunt before the "annexation" happened.

Sino-Tibetan War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Annexxing a country by persistent oppressive military force is QUITE a step beyond defending your own country from foreign invasions eh? Isn't the Chinese policy that you're so proud of that you only focus on defending your country? That's a proven LIE, Chinese.


I'll read this some other time, given how much lies you Chinese have already put up here about Tibetans.
 
Annexxing a country by persistent oppressive military force is QUITE a step beyond defending your own country from foreign invasions eh? Isn't the Chinese policy that you're so proud of that you only focus on defending your country? That's a proven LIE, Chinese.



I'll read this some other time, given how much lies you Chinese have already put up here about Tibetans.

See my post here

http://www.defence.pk/forums/chines...tnamese-coast-guard-clash-14.html#post4515642

http://repository.dl.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/dspace/bitstream/2261/8135/1/ioc152014.pdf

Arricles are sourced.. References at the bottom

Pandatsang Rapga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tibet Improvement Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thubten Choekyi Nyima, 9th Panchen Lama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Choekyi Gyaltsen, 10th Panchen Lama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
I've never heard or read about Tibetans performing ANY human sacrifices to ANY God before.
This piece of Chinese propaganda is the first to do so, and since no other source has confirmed it, I'm going to assume it's a CHINESE LIE, to justify their oppression of the Tibetan monks.

This is a repost from something I posted some time back still relevant, I highly doubt whats documented was CCP propaganda. Travelling to outer (OUTER not INNER) Mongolia there are too many similarities with what was in the temple there to what is found online. And the Mongolians practice a very similar religion to Tibetans and the religion was largely not impacted by CCP/Russians. If even abit of whats found online is true than the tibetans do have a very dark religion.

You have to see things from both sides, if you refute I like to know which part of Tibet, China or Mongolia have you visited?

I would disagree with the bold bit, I done some reading into Serdom and tibeten culture and the practices that took place was really barbaric, not saying that the CPC is a saint but Tibetans (Wealthy ones) are by no means "harmless".

The story of the Serfdom may or may not be fabricated but evidence do crop up, I was in outer Mongolia and visited a temple who followed the Tibetan practices of Buddhism, you could see several artifacts made from human bone etc (usual stuff). Adorned on the ceiling was a figure similar to the picture below. The only difference was the one in Mongolia was made of cloth and if the link on the website is correct is made from skin of serf children.

If you were in that temple it would send a shiver down your back


DowntheCrookedPath: Dalai Lama-Medieval Dictator
Tibetan+Skin.bmp
 
Note the British silence about Independence of Hong Kong.

Greedy brits ... because Tibet has much little economic value compared to HongKong.

Anyway, brits don't determine, when Tibet gains independence. :tup:

where is the "independence of HK" b/s coming from? troll

case reported!
 
I've never heard or read about Tibetans performing ANY human sacrifices to ANY God before.
This piece of Chinese propaganda is the first to do so, and since no other source has confirmed it, I'm going to assume it's a CHINESE LIE, to justify their oppression of the Tibetan monks.

The people doing the human sacrifice in the movie are not Tibetans. He he he .... You cant even tell the different between a Han and a Tibetan.
 

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