UK defence secretary suggests US is no longer a superpower

[Trango Towers]

Sure buddy, let’s just ignore the Soviets.

I am ignoring you opinion. The fact I had to point it out speaks for itself.

 

[VCheng]

Economy was bound to thrive as America was never invaded. Its defence sector grew and grew. They also robbed the nations they invaded. Iraq for oil . Afghanistan for precious metals etc. The rich got richer. Had America lost in way where they were invaded would their economy grow...

As if America never created anything, right down to the internet you are using to spout such nonsense.

 

[Trango Towers]

Learn to debate without taking pot shots at others. Everything that I mentioned is accurate and documented. You are not being objective on the other hand. I am not in the mood to lecture you how each war progressed and ended through time and space given your lack of manners.

Debate is with people who have an open mind and ability to gauge a situation on merit. Your opinion is very tainted and your self ritiousness speaks in the what you have written.
Example..
UK is accepting defeat in Afghanistan
America is accepting defeat in Afghanistan but YOU....its a stalemate and then you want a debate?

From Saigon to Kabul: what America’s Afghan fiasco means for the world

The defeat in Afghanistan is, like that in Vietnam, a turning-point. Many fear America’s foes will be emboldened; others hope it will now be more able to confront them

www.economist.com

Do u see the word DEFEAT in the opening passages

Have a nice day

 

[VCheng]

The republic of China singlehandedly kept 70% of the Japanese forces engaged in their borders

Right, As if the Japanese Imperial Naval Fleet never left the SCS.

 

[Falconless]

I am ignoring you opinion. The fact I had to point it out speaks for itself.

Did Nuclear Weapons Cause Japan to Surrender?

Ward Wilson, senior fellow at the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies at the Monterey Institute of International Studies, explains that the Soviet declaration of war and not the Hiroshima nuclear bombing caused Japan to surrender at the end of World War II.

www.carnegiecouncil.org

The Bomb Didn’t Beat Japan. Stalin Did.

Have 70 years of nuclear policy been based on a lie?

foreignpolicy.com

Right, As if the Japanese Imperial Naval Fleet never left the SCS.

Was the IJN or the IJA bigger threat?

 

[Trango Towers]

Did Nuclear Weapons Cause Japan to Surrender?

Ward Wilson, senior fellow at the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies at the Monterey Institute of International Studies, explains that the Soviet declaration of war and not the Hiroshima nuclear bombing caused Japan to surrender at the end of World War II.

www.carnegiecouncil.org

The Bomb Didn’t Beat Japan. Stalin Did.

Have 70 years of nuclear policy been based on a lie?

foreignpolicy.com

Was the IJN or the IJA bigger threat?

This is one man's opinion..
So I I say all Indians are geniuses does that make me correct???

Come one

 

[LeGenD]

Debate is with people who have an open mind and ability to gauge a situation on merit. Your opinion is very tainted and your self ritiousness speaks in the what you have written.
Example..
UK is accepting defeat in Afghanistan
America is accepting defeat in Afghanistan but YOU....its a stalemate and then you want a debate?

From Saigon to Kabul: what America’s Afghan fiasco means for the world

The defeat in Afghanistan is, like that in Vietnam, a turning-point. Many fear America’s foes will be emboldened; others hope it will now be more able to confront them

www.economist.com

Do u see the word DEFEAT in the opening passages

Have a nice day

Take your own advice.

U.S.-Taliban Peace Deal: What to Know

The United States and the Taliban signed an agreement aimed at ending the eighteen-year war in Afghanistan, but many factors could still disrupt the peace process.

www.cfr.org

Afghan conflict: US and Taliban sign deal to end 18-year war

President Trump says it is "time after all these years to bring our people back home".

www.bbc.com

The U.S.-Taliban Agreement and the Afghan Peace Process | Stanford Law School

The United States and the Taliban signed an agreement in February 2020 that called for peace talks between the two Afghan sides to start in March. Neg

law.stanford.edu

And in case you do not know, Pakistan brought both camps to the negotiation table to bring an end to this war. These negotiations commenced in times of the Obama administration in fact.

When Joe Biden decided to honor the deal of Trump administration with Afghan Taliban, he also declared unconditional withdrawal in the process. Afghan Taliban could finally take over Afghanistan without American troops confronting them on the ground anywhere.

Afghan Taliban toppled US-backed Afghan government (domestic victory) but they had to negotiate with Americans to make this possible for them in the end (see above). Biden administration simply handed over Afghanistan to Afghan Taliban on a silver plate.

Afghanistan to return to the Taliban? – DW – 04/14/2021

President Joe Biden has announced the unconditional withdrawal of all US troops from Afghanistan by September 11. DW analyzes implications for the war-torn country's future.

amp.dw.com

Why do you think he is facing so much criticism from his own allies for his decision lately? This is all over the web. There are even calls for his impeachment from within USA.

Not that I have complaints about it but I stick to facts. Put your searching skills to good use instead of harping about me.

 

[Falconless]

This is one man's opinion..
So I I say all Indians are geniuses does that make me correct???

Come one

Viewing things in black and white without seeing the bigger picture leads to overly simplistic views like the ones you have expressed.

Anyways, if you aren’t willing to even see where the other side is coming from, have a good day.

 

[kingQamaR]

British and nato failed in Afghanistan it shows without the USA they really could not contribute a small scale force by themselves a thousand or so troops to help the afghan army when the USA exited it shows who is the real super power

 

[SaadH]

And what about the Pacific Theater? (Or Italy ..... )

Pacific was sideshow and Japanese only surrendered after Russians declared war on them after VE day:

Did Nuclear Weapons Cause Japan to Surrender?

Ward Wilson, senior fellow at the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies at the Monterey Institute of International Studies, explains that the Soviet declaration of war and not the Hiroshima nuclear bombing caused Japan to surrender at the end of World War II.

www.carnegiecouncil.org

This is not correct.

1. Who fought and routed the legendary Rommel in Africa?
Hitler after refusing to resupply Rommel. Your legendary Patton went up against Rommel at the battle of Kesserine pass was handed his *** back to him.
2. Who bombed German strategic locations to dust?
After Germans had already lost the war to Russians on the eastern front
3. Who liberated Italy?
Germans by withdrawing
4. Who liberated France?
Russians by destroying Germans' elite troops and weapons on the eastern front
5. Who provided much-needed supplies to USSR (i.e. Lend Lease Program)?
Irrelevant to the discussion
Allied military operation in Italy in 1943 forced Germany to divert some of its best divisions to Italy and this costed them the Battle of Kursk in USSR by extension. This was the beginning of the end of the mighty Wehrmacht.

US-led forces were also fighting the Japanese throughout the Pacific. World War II could not be won without defeating Japan.

Since the war was being fought in various lands around the world, different countries fought each other to whatever capacity they could. Soviets and Chinese had their respective moments of glory as well.

 

[VCheng]

Pacific was sideshow and Japanese only surrendered after Russians declared war on them after VE day:

As much as your pre-determined revisionism of history is amusing, it is not relevant to the topic of this thread, so I take my leave at this point.

 

[Trango Towers]

Take your own advice.

U.S.-Taliban Peace Deal: What to Know

The United States and the Taliban signed an agreement aimed at ending the eighteen-year war in Afghanistan, but many factors could still disrupt the peace process.

www.cfr.org

Afghan conflict: US and Taliban sign deal to end 18-year war

President Trump says it is "time after all these years to bring our people back home".

www.bbc.com

The U.S.-Taliban Agreement and the Afghan Peace Process | Stanford Law School

The United States and the Taliban signed an agreement in February 2020 that called for peace talks between the two Afghan sides to start in March. Neg

law.stanford.edu

And in case you do not know, Pakistan brought both camps to the negotiation table to bring an end to this war. These negotiations commenced in times of the Obama administration in fact.

When Joe Biden decided to honor the deal of Trump administration with Afghan Taliban, he also declared unconditional withdrawal in the process. Afghan Taliban could finally take over Afghanistan without American troops confronting them on the ground anywhere.

Afghan Taliban toppled US-backed Afghan government (domestic victory) but they had to negotiate with Americans to make this possible for them in the end (see above). Biden administration simply handed over Afghanistan to Afghan Taliban on a silver plate.

Afghanistan to return to the Taliban? – DW – 04/14/2021

President Joe Biden has announced the unconditional withdrawal of all US troops from Afghanistan by September 11. DW analyzes implications for the war-torn country's future.

amp.dw.com

Why do you think he is facing so much criticism from his own allies for his decision lately? This is all over the web. There are even calls for his impeachment from within USA.

Not that I have complaints about it but I stick to facts. Put your searching skills to good use instead of harping about me.

Well....well...you opening statement was enough for me not to bother even looking at what you posted..

Self gratification.....keep it up.

Viewing things in black and white without seeing the bigger picture leads to overly simplistic views like the ones you have expressed.

Anyways, if you aren’t willing to even see where the other side is coming from, have a good day.

I don't have an issue with what you said...but saying they only capitulated because the Russians were about to enter the arena is just a theory. Like the theory that we all come from monkeys

 

[LeGenD]

Well....well...you opening statement was enough for me not to bother even looking at what you posted..

Self gratification.....keep it up.

These are your words in post # 48: "Debate is with people who have an open mind and ability to gauge a situation on merit. Your opinion is very tainted and your self ritiousness speaks in the what you have written."

That is trolling.

Therefore, I wrote 'take your own advice' in my response to you. You continue to show your pleasant mentality here (sarcasm); more like trolling. Just move on.

 

[Trango Towers]

Despite years of saying this…..people still don’t get it. The US military is designed to defeat near peer competitors…..not engage in forever wars against insurgents that blend in with the population. It’s neither designed to nation build.

Oh how people forget what happened to Saddams military…….

Wars are complex and not just victory on the battlefield. Initial victories often urn to defeat if the enemy is determined as shown in Afghanistan and Iraq. America had no choice but leave.
To say they are not designed to fight insurgencies....well that's their loss. Modern battlefields are fluid. Just as America relies on technology lesser enemies rely on death by a 1000 cuts.

 

[925boy]

And yet, despite all those "defeats", USA has only grown in economy

Has it actually? why so much national debt then if the economy is truly that "large"? Anyway, sorry for digressing, just wanted to point out that US economy needs serious restructuring and some immediate "operations" to get it back on healthy, sustainable, equitable track, which if it doesnt get, anything can happen.

The US military is designed to defeat near peer competitors….

Then why has US spent MOST of the past few decades fighting NOT THAT??? smfh. You have contradicted what the US military actually does. Iraq, Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan, Syria- none of them are peer competitors, so you might also be lying.