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UK defence secretary suggests US is no longer a superpower

All empires come to an end...

America hasn't won a war in a long time. After ww2 I only see defeats ... yes militarily initially they look like they have succeeded but with time the start to beg to leave and there is no way out. Korea Vietnam Iraq Afghanistan somalia are some of the examples. Yes they had a great Victoria against Grenada a tiny state with single policeman armed to the teeth with a truncheon. Still so many Americans were killed
 
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America hasn't won a war in a long time. After ww2 I only see defeats ... yes militarily initially they look like they have succeeded but with time the start to beg to leave and there is no way out. Korea Vietnam Iraq Afghanistan somalia are some of the examples. Yes they had a great Victoria against Grenada a tiny state with single policeman armed to the teeth with a truncheon. Still so many Americans were killed
Victory is defined by fulfillment of desired political objectives in a theater of operations.

US-led forces liberated South Korea in the Korean War = Victory

US-led forces failed to prevent downfall of South Vietnam = Defeat

US-led forces liberated Kuwait in the Persian Gulf War = Victory

US-led forces defeated Yugoslavia in the Kosovo conflict = Victory

US-led forces toppled Saddam regime in Iraq and overcame Iraqi insurgency of the 2006 - 2008 period = Victory

US-led forces defeated ISIL across Iraq and Syria = Victory

US-led forces were at stalemate with Afghan Taliban = Deal

Every war was of different character than the next. Every war also creates a mess in its wake. There is no such thing as video game victory in real life.
 
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Victory is defined by fulfillment of desired political objectives in a theater of operations.

US-led forces liberated South Korea in the Korean War = Victory

US-led forces failed to prevent downfall of South Vietnam = Defeat

US-led forces liberated Kuwait in the Persian Gulf War = Victory

US-led forces defeated Yugoslavia in the Kosovo conflict = Victory

US-led forces toppled Saddam regime in Iraq and overcame Iraqi insurgency of the 2006 - 2008 period = Victory

US-led forces defeated ISIL across Iraq and Syria = Victory

US-led forces were at stalemate with Afghan Taliban = Deal

Every war was of different character than the next. Every war also creates a mess in its wake. There is no such thing as video game victory in real life.

Why forget the Cold War, of which many components are mentioned above?
 
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Ben Wallace, Britain’s defence secretary, suggested the US could no longer be considered a superpower in an interview where he also contrasted his department’s handling of the Afghanistan crisis with that of the embattled Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office.
The pointed comments – coming at a time of heightened transatlantic and domestic tensions over the messy retreat – feature in an interview in the Spectator magazine, given days after the final western forces evacuated from Kabul.
Asked whether the exit from Afghanistan demonstrated the limits of British power on the world stage, Wallace started by saying: “It is obvious that Britain is not a superpower,” before appearing to switch focus to the US.
“But a superpower that is also not prepared to stick at something isn’t probably a superpower either. It is certainly not a global force, it’s just a big power,” the defence secretary added.
Those close to the defence secretary acknowledged his remarks could be read as being aimed at the US. An insider argued that the British minister was emphasising the importance of political will as well as sheer military power.
Wallace also contrasted the Ministry of Defence’s handling of the evacuation crisis with the FCDO. Over the weekend, it emerged that officials from Dominic Raab’s department had failed to read thousands of emails from MPs and charities detailing urgent cases of Afghans trying to escape from Kabul.
But the defence secretary argued the MoD was on top of its own cases, largely a well-defined group of Afghan interpreters and their families, about 1,000 of whom remain trapped in the country after the RAF airlift ended over the weekend.
“All of us have big email inboxes, we have already analysed ours, we’ve sent defence intelligence analysts around Whitehall to help deal with that,” Wallace said.
Individuals on the ground were being discussed so frequently, the minister added, that he had “got to the point where I recognised the names being circulated because so many people were emailing the same person”.

The defence secretary said he first thought that “the game is up” in Afghanistan and the western-backed government would fall “back in July” – and that plans to remove British diplomats, Afghan interpreters and others had to be accelerated.
On Wednesday, Raab, the foreign secretary, told MPs that he had believed the Afghan capital would remain safe until next year, a view supported by the prevailing intelligence assessment.
The foreign minister went on holiday to a luxury hotel in Crete on 6 August, not returning until after Kabul had fallen 10 days later – during which time Wallace was in the UK, deploying British troops to the airport as the Taliban advanced.



It is not the first time that Wallace has publicly criticised the US – in mid-August, as the Taliban were beginning to make sweeping gains in Afghanistan, the defence secretary described Donald Trump’s 2020 peace deal with the Taliban as “a mistake” that “strategically … causes a lot of problems”.
The final withdrawal, however, was authorised by Trump’s successor, Joe Biden, in April – a decision that disappointed the UK, which had wanted to remain. But without US forces, Britain could not rally together a credible alternative defence force and was forced to join in the mass evacuation last month


theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/02/uk-defence-secretary-suggests-us-is-no-longer-superpower
Son of b... run away from Afghanistan in 2015 and left US soldiers alone for killing.. their *** is burning they left European union because of Trump right wing politician. Now are well kicked by Biden. There are legendary sayings. Dobie ka kuta nah gar ka nah kaat ka. The laundry dog is neither for home nor for the dock
 
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Yes, this too.

I am not sure what type of results some people expect in warfare.

War is simply pursuit of national interests by other means. There is a time to start them, and there is a time to end them. The pursuit of national interests carries on regardless. Anything else is merely the Hollywood Effect.
 
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He’s right though. American soldiers hide behind advanced technology and pretend they are the best warriors when it couldn’t be further from the truth.

Taliban fighters were technologically outmatched by such a margin that it wasn’t even funny and they still humiliated the American soldiers. US military hides behind superior technology, not superior strategy or superior bravery. In terms of bravery, American soldiers aren’t even in the top 10.
It is a mistake to assume this.

Watch this firefight between American troops and Afghan Taliban in a remote location in 2010:


No side was being cowardly. It is very difficult and dangerous to fight skilled snipers however.

One of the American troops was struck and injured - he did not cut and run either.

Afghanistan presents a very different (unconventional) environment of warfare. There is no infrastructure to dismantle. There is no standing army to rout.

There is only resistance from people who do not like invaders. Firefights can break out anywhere at any point in time and body count continues to climb over the years.

There is a reason why Afghanistan is called the Graveyard of Empires.
 
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All empires come to an end...

America hasn't won a war in a long time. After ww2 I only see defeats ... yes militarily initially they look like they have succeeded but with time the start to beg to leave and there is no way out. Korea Vietnam Iraq Afghanistan somalia are some of the examples. Yes they had a great Victoria against Grenada a tiny state with single policeman armed to the teeth with a truncheon. Still so many Americans were killed

This myth needs to be put to rest once and for all, Americans didn't win WW2, Russians did...

Russian's destroyed Hitler's 98 divisions, the cream of the crop and best fighting force ever to have been assembled up to that time...

By the time Americans ran into Germans, the latter consisted mostly of old men and young boys who were out numbered and out gunned with limited supplies and no air cover...
 
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It is a mistake to assume this.

Watch this firefight between American troops and Afghan Taliban in remote location in 2010:


No side was being cowardly. It is very difficult and dangerous to fight skilled snipers however.

One of the American troops was hit and injured - he did not cut and run either.

Afghanistan presents a very different (unconventional) environment of warfare. There is no infrastructure to dismantle. There is no standing army to rout.

There is only resistance from people who do not like invaders. Firefights can break out anywhere at any point in time and body count continues to climb over the years.

There is a reason why Afghanistan is called the Graveyard of Empires.


Despite years of saying this…..people still don’t get it. The US military is designed to defeat near peer competitors…..not engage in forever wars against insurgents that blend in with the population. It’s neither designed to nation build.

Oh how people forget what happened to Saddams military…….
 
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This myth needs to be put to rest once and for all, Americans didn't win WW2, Russians did...

Russian's destroyed Hitler's 98 divisions, the cream of the crop and best fighting force ever to have been assembled up to that time...

By the time Americans ran into Germans, the latter consisted mostly of old men and young boys who were out numbered and out gunned with limited supplies and no air cover...

And what about the Pacific Theater? (Or Italy ..... )
 
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This myth needs to be put to rest once and for all, Americans didn't win WW2, Russians did...

Russian's destroyed Hitler's 98 divisions, the cream of the crop and best fighting force ever to have been assembled up to that time...

By the time Americans ran into Germans, the latter consisted mostly of old men and young boys who were out numbered and out gunned with limited supplies and no air cover...
This is not correct.

1. Who fought and routed the legendary Rommel in Africa?

2. Who bombed German strategic locations to dust?

3. Who liberated Italy?

4. Who liberated France?

5. Who provided much-needed supplies to USSR (i.e. Lend Lease Program)?

Allied military operation in Italy in 1943 forced Germany to divert some of its best divisions to Italy and this costed them the Battle of Kursk in USSR by extension. This was the beginning of the end of the mighty Wehrmacht.

US-led forces were also fighting the Japanese throughout the Pacific. World War II could not be won without defeating Japan.

Since the war was being fought in various lands around the world, different countries fought each other to whatever capacity they could. Soviets and Chinese had their respective moments of glory as well.
 
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It is a mistake to assume this.

Watch this firefight between American troops and Afghan Taliban in a remote location in 2010:


No side was being cowardly. It is very difficult and dangerous to fight skilled snipers however.

One of the American troops was struck and injured - he did not cut and run either.

Afghanistan presents a very different (unconventional) environment of warfare. There is no infrastructure to dismantle. There is no standing army to rout.

There is only resistance from people who do not like invaders. Firefights can break out anywhere at any point in time and body count continues to climb over the years.

There is a reason why Afghanistan is called the Graveyard of Empires.

So this platoon couldn't handle a couple of poor trained snipers and had to call in air strike which hit a civilians compound killing 10 people including 6 children...

Pretty much sums up US military prowess or lack thereof...
 
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It is a mistake to assume this.

Watch this firefight between American troops and Afghan Taliban in a remote location in 2010:


No side was being cowardly. It is very difficult and dangerous to fight skilled snipers however.

One of the American troops was struck and injured - he did not cut and run either.

Afghanistan presents a very different (unconventional) environment of warfare. There is no infrastructure to dismantle. There is no standing army to rout.

There is only resistance from people who do not like invaders. Firefights can break out anywhere at any point in time and body count continues to climb over the years.

There is a reason why Afghanistan is called the Graveyard of Empires.
Do you know befit of home ground n home crowd. Result matters. You can nit match both taliban n Americans.
Either you rate talban above US soldiers
Or poorly trained us soldiers
History will be rewritten like this
Villagers with broken slippers defeated
50 plus countries with undefeated courage n bravery .
Methods n technologies n all that stuff dont matter anymore.
20 years **** sake dont disrespect brave people of Afghanistan. No country or army in history of man kind won this way
Even many of us may dont like them but please do justice to them how they fought for 20 years.
Deal or not deal it dont matter for them it was only for usa for safe passage. Tgey could have fight more 50 years
As military lover n student of history I just admire them. They achieved impossible.
Just admire their military warfare.
 
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