UK Air Force Reveals 3D Model of 'Tempest' Fighter Jet, LANCA Unmanned Aircraft

[waz]

Since she represents RR she cannot confirm on Tempest but UK will not just give away engine to India without India buying Tempest return. Both deals go hand-in-hand.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1281516347302621184

Watch this video from 37 to 41 mins

Yep same thing I said, collaboration, she used "co-development", which is what you make of it hence the Japanese going cold and now talking to Lockheed Martin and concentrating on their own jet , which likely will win out. They will have the IP sure, but just how good would it be, there you are.
I bet you wouldn't be able to get it out of here i.e. will the engine be as good if not better than anything BAE is working on, and watch her squirm.

 

[Nilgiri]

Yes of course Aussies and Canada are sister countries. @Nilgiri @Gibbs
It will be good to get them on board as well.
The project is funded massively by our economy and built upon UK intellectual property. This craft will be amazing.

Indeed, it will be interesting to see this project over time vis-a-vis Euro FCAS.

@Vergennes

 

[LeGenD]

Are you aware that a lot of the electronic components in the F-22 are out of production since long. The latest iphone probably have much higher performance than the F-22 flight computer.

One of the benefits of indigenous product is that the operator does not need to tell and advertise what kind of amendments are happening behind-the-scenes.

USAF allocated 18 billion USD for maintenance and upgrades of F-22A fleet. This is a huge sum of money.

If UK desire to hold its own in the fighter aircraft domain, make TEMPEST indigenous to the extent possible. Partnership products make for great marketing but much of the concepts becomes mainstream in the process. You run out of tricks to fall back to.

 

[Ali_Baba]

A very cool picture of the original Tempest prototype. It seems this still holds try and there have been some minor tweaks along the way.

If it looks right, it will fly right and boy does Tempest look right !!!

This is my wallpaper right now!

They have, but I doubt India would be included. Money isn't the only thing, expertise is needed which India doesn't have, it would upset Pakistan (key ally), cause imbalance of forces, the UK doesn't get involved where Commonwealth nations are in dispute (neutral) and so forth.

The UK does not care about Pakistan security. You only have to look at the handling of the Kashmir issue by both Labour and the Conservative Party to see they have taken India's lead on Kashmir.

If India was to ask to join the programme and add their $5billion to the table, the UK would take it, but you are right in that India does not have much to contribute from a techology perspective. You only have to look at the "Advance Hawk" to see it did not yield much.

There is no offer, I spoke to BAE last year at RIAT.
The engine thing, yes, collaboration, but I know exactly how much the UK is willing to part with, not much. Why do you think the Japanese went away. No one is going to give them engine tech that can make them self-reliant. This puts BAE and many other defence firms out of business.
The French are also pitching.

Turkey has this same problem where they wanted more tech transfer than was on offer ( alongside the issue of who owns the IP of the tech ).

No one is going to give you tech that makes you self-sufficient. Especially the French !!!

 

[waz]

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If India was to ask to join the programme and add their $5billion to the table, the UK would take it, but you are right in that India does not have much to contribute from a techology perspective. You only have to look at the "Advance Hawk" to see it did not yield much.

They wouldn't take $50 billion let alone $5 billion. The project is secretive and India is too lose to many countries, including the Russians, Israel etc to be invited on. The Japanese went cold due to the lack of knowledge sharing. As it stands it is Italy that's it. Even Sweden is not on board yet.

Turkey has this same problem where they wanted more tech transfer than was on offer ( alongside the issue of who owns the IP of the tech ).

No one is going to give you tech that makes you self-sufficient. Especially the French !!!

100%.

 

[nahtanbob]

Nope the radar is actually British but the parent firm is Italian.
The scientists and engineers that build the radar are all based in Scotland.




I meant the UK's cousins like in Canada and Australia at first.

We need to remember that the Australians wanted F-22 but were rejected like all others by USA. Even though Australia's 5th generation fleet with be based around F-35, they will jump at the chance to buy some squadrons of the Tempest from the UK when it is available.

f-22 is not available for any country

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

What happens to Swedish involvement after Brexit?

Sweden firms up FCAS partnership with UK, but no commitment to Tempest

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/...tnership-with-uk-but-no-commitment-to-tempest

FCAS is not an EU project, so why would BrExit matter?

Sweden coming in was the best thing that happened to the Tempest project.

I am sure that Saab will contribute massively to this project in many areas, even though they may not buy that many planes due to smaller size compared to UK and Italy.

No offence to Italy but they really only contribute production numbers as anything they can do, UK and Sweden can do just as well or even better.

Can I ask what are you thoughts on Sweden joining with the UK and Italy to develop the successor to the Gripen?

The cooperation is not a commitment to develop Tempest. It is shared development of technology that might improve Gripen, and SAAB might end up in developing another fighter.

 

[HalfMoon]

FCAS is not an EU project, so why would BrExit matter?

The issue is that Sweden is not committing to UK on Tempest.

Hence UK is going around to find new partners.

Help Britain build new jet fighter, says Defence Secretary

Ben Wallace issues international appeal for additional countries to join the Tempest fighter programme at 'virtual Farnborough' airshow

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/busines...build-new-jet-fighter-says-defence-secretary/

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

The issue is that Sweden is not committing to UK on Tempest.

Hence UK is going around to find new partners.

Help Britain build new jet fighter, says Defence Secretary

Ben Wallace issues international appeal for additional countries to join the Tempest fighter programme at 'virtual Farnborough' airshow

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/busines...build-new-jet-fighter-says-defence-secretary/

That is simply You misunderstanding what is going on.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Tempest will be far far superior to F-22 that came out in 2005.
The Tempest is slated for introduction in 2035 - a whole 30 years later.

You need to remember that the UK is the only country that can match the US in engine tech with Rolls Royce. It also has the most stealth experience after the US as it worked on the F-35 as the only level 1 partner and also built it's own stealth drone. UK radar tech is also just as good as the US with products as the SAMPSON radar(at the time the US itself said it was the best shipborne radar in the world) on the Type-45 destroyer and the AESA radar on both the Gripen and the Eurofighter.

The Tempest is the only fighter that will be able to compete with whatever the US develops, although the USA may still just have the edge due to it's better stealth experience.

Still have plenty of time for them. Great planes, and they're arguably the third best air superiority fighter out there, after the F-22 and F-35.

US is the Undisputed grand daddy when it’s come to pumping out advance weapons of war. Hands down . Level of military industrial complex, funding, expertise and research Surpass Europe combined. U.K. level of advancement is partially due to its access/sharing of US R&D.

Rest of the world think, fund and build around what they need. Here in US we think around what we needs, but fund and build around what we want.

 

[Ali_Baba]

https://www.aerosociety.com/news/tempest-fugit/

 

[Ali_Baba]

The UK’s combat air sector – vital for our economy, security and sovereignty

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article...ital-for-our-economy-security-and-sovereignty

 

[Ali_Baba]

BAE supersonic tunnel tests give Tempest project a second wind

BAE supersonic tunnel tests give Tempest project a second wind

Data from the models will be used to produce the final design for Tempest

www.telegraph.co.uk

"BAE Systems has begun supersonic wind tunnel tests of potential designs for the Tempest fighter hoped to be in service with the RAF in 2035.

Engineers at the defence giant’s base in Warton, Lancashire, are examining the aerodynamic performance of a 
series of 3D-printed models of what the next-generation stealth jet might finally look like.

The wind tunnel can generate airflows of twice the speed of sound and consumes 15 tons of air in 20 seconds when running at full power.

Data from the models will be used to produce the final design for Tempest, but the work is proceeding faster than earlier aircraft development projects thanks to “digital twin” technology.

Designs have already been extensively tested in the digital world, meaning that concepts can be advanced or abandoned depending on how virtual versions perform before moving on to more time-consuming and costly real-world testing.

So far £2bn has been committed to Tempest by government and a consortium of leading aerospace and defence companies including BAE, Rolls-Royce, Leonardo and MBDA, which 
together have almost 2,000 engineers working on it.

The aircraft is expected to operate with a pilot or autonomously and be equipped with “directed energy weapons” such as lasers. These will require immense amounts of power and cooling. The companies from outside the military world have been brought in for their expertise, as well as to speed up work to meet the programme’s 
ambitious deadlines.

One of the most recent to come on board is Williams Advanced Engineering, the company spun off from the Williams Formula One team. Its knowledge from developing high-performance batteries used in the Formula E electric racing series will help provide power for Tempest. Britain is not working on Tempest alone. So far Italy and Sweden have signed up, with Japan also a candidate to join the project. "

 

[Diviner]

Rolls-Royce | Tempest - Powering the next generation

 

[Ali_Baba]

I do hope BAE realise that this is the last chance for the UK to make a fighter jet, and they must must learn to bring this on time and under budget. Too many of their projects over run and are over budget. If that happens with Tempest, we will be buying all future fighters from the Americans !!!!!!