UK Air Force Reveals 3D Model of 'Tempest' Fighter Jet, LANCA Unmanned Aircraft

[UKBengali]

Try to commercial airline engines on Tempest and we'll see how it performs. We are talking about jet engines for fighters. (The top commercial jet engines are from GE anyways). The jet engines produced by GE & P&W are decades ahead of RR.

As an investor in Aerospace and Defence, I have done my research. Try not to be so arrogant.

Let us look at facts here by comparing 2 comparable UK and US fighter engines:

1. UK's Eurojet: 9.2:1 T/W ratio 22,000lbs of thrust - Year of service 2003 with Eurofighter
2. US F414-GE-400: 9:1 T/W ratio 22,000lbs of thrust - Year of service 1999 with Superhornet

Does the above look like the UK is decades behind in fighter engine tech?


PS - I suppose you have never heard of the F-136 that was developed by GE/RR but was not selected as the alternative engine for the F-35?
Can you explain why GE would work with RR if it was "decades ahead of RR"?

 

[LeGenD]

Tempest will be far far superior to F-22 that came out in 2005.
The Tempest is slated for introduction in 2035 - a whole 30 years later.

You need to remember that the UK is the only country that can match the US in engine tech with Rolls Royce. It also has the most stealth experience after the US as it worked on the F-35 as the only level 1 partner and also built it's own stealth drone. UK radar tech is also just as good as the US with products as the SAMPSON radar(at the time the US itself said it was the best shipborne radar in the world) on the Type-45 destroyer and the AESA radar on both the Gripen and the Eurofighter.

The Tempest is the only fighter that will be able to compete with whatever the US develops, although the USA may still just have the edge due to it's better stealth experience.

There are aspects to an aircraft design which people do not understand at a quick glance.

This: The airframe of F-22A Raptor is designed to accommodate numerous technologies over time. This aircraft is not supposed to be restricted to technologies produced in 2005.

There must be a reason why F-22A Raptor is not marketed and exported to other countries.

Give the following article a full read: https://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/raptor-strikes-180957782/

The article provide some clues which suggest that F-22A can do things in the air superiority regime which no other aircraft can. Even the British wouldn't know much because they are not a partner in this design.

The above being said, The Tempest is definitely a very impressive platform in itself and one may expect it to have tricks of its own - futuristic considerations from the British standpoint. All the best to the British.

 

[UKBengali]

There are aspects to an aircraft design which people do not understand at a quick glance.

This: The airframe of F-22A Raptor is designed to accommodate numerous technologies over time. These jets are not restricted to technologies produced in 2005.

There must be a reason why F-22A Raptor is not marketed and exported to other countries.

Give the following article a full read: https://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/raptor-strikes-180957782/

The article provide some clues which suggest that F-22A can do things in the air superiority regime which no other aircraft can. Even the British wouldn't know much because they are not a partner in this design.

The above being said, The Tempest is a very impressive platform in itself and would have tricks of its own. All the best to the British.

You design mainly with what you have and can know about. To design an airframe for a future unknown engine would be both risky and affect the performance of the plane with the current engine.

The UK can totally optimise the airframe for the engine as the engine performance is a known quantity. F-22 may be very good for it's time but not realistic to say it will be relevant with the fighters coming out of Europe in the 2030s.

 

[Agha Sher]

UK's Eurojet: 9.2:1 T/W ratio 22,000lbs of thrust - Year of service 2003 with Eurofighter

EJ200 remains the most advanced jet engine developed by Eurojet (which RR is part of). It is also the most advanced jet engine in the history of RR. Meanwhile, both GE and P&W have produced far more complex, powerful and advanced jet engines.

Regarding F136, it was a failed project which we don't have to dwell into.

 

[UKBengali]

EJ200 remains the most advanced jet engine developed by Eurojet (which RR is part of). It is also the most advanced jet engine in the history of RR. Meanwhile, both GE and P&W have produced far more complex, powerful and advanced jet engines.

Regarding F136, it was a failed project which we don't have to dwell into.

Just how many people have to tell you that Eurojet is RR? The others like Germany/Italy/Spain were in no position to contribute anything meaningful.

Can you name me the last engine that Germany/Italy/Spain developed by themselves?

The point is not that F-136 was a failed or successful project but you stated that GE was "decades ahead" of RR in military jet engine tech, and so my question is why GE worked with RR on the most advanced jet engine tech of the time?

PS - What is the more advanced military jet engine that GE has produced then? In the US, fighter jet engines mainly go to P&W.

 

[Safriz]

Still have plenty of time for them. Great planes, and they're arguably the third best air superiority fighter out there, after the F-22 and F-35.

You are right, but as aviation enthusiast i been watching the typhoons for many years.
In every RIAT or Farnborough and at the Machloop in Wales.
I would like to see some new birds doing new tricks

 

[Agha Sher]

PS - What is the more advanced military jet engine that GE has produced then? In the US, fighter jet engines mainly go to P&W.

With GE I was thinking of GE9X, however, that is not for military application. My apologies. The F110 could be considered a better engine than the two you compared but was developed earlier.

Anyways, this discussion doesn't make sense as we're not getting anywhere. Let's just wait and see what you come up with.

 

[waz]

You are right, but as aviation enthusiast i been watching the typhoons for many years.
In every RIAT or Farnborough and at the Machloop in Wales.
I would like to see some new birds doing new tricks

Lol I never get sick of the Typhoons, I'm at RIAT every year, aside this year. They're amazing.

 

[LeGenD]

You design mainly with what you have and can know about. To design an airframe for a future unknown engine would be both risky and affect the performance of the plane with the current engine.

The UK can totally optimise the airframe for the engine as the engine performance is a known quantity. F-22 may be very good for it's time but not realistic to say it will be relevant with the fighters coming out of Europe in the 2030s.

F-22A is already equipped with two powerful engines to facilitate its exceptional kinematic performance which will remain valid for years to come. The airframe itself is built to facilitate kinematic performance of the aircraft.

"The F-22 has the strength and agility to turn at nine Gs, and the power to reach high altitudes and to cruise supersonically without afterburners. At lower speeds, it can redirect engine thrust to execute maneuvers impossible for the pilots flying against it in training exercises. Supercruise, high Gs, show-off maneuverability: That’s a lot to ask of any airplane with a takeoff weight of 42 tons, but most analysts agree that no airplane in production matches the Lockheed Martin Raptor, which finished its costly production run at 187 units (estimated cost, $412 million apiece), a quarter of the original plan."

The above while ensuing VLO output.

People think that that is easy? Nope.

Both Russia and China have attempted such a thing only to bring about much inferior LO designs to ensure combat-relevant kinematic performance in Su-57 and J-20 respectively.

In addition to kinematics, F-22A can achieve sustained supercruise around MACH 1.8 mark. Other aircraft are not even close in this domain; they cannot achieve sustained supercruise around MACH 1.3 mark.

POINT? A clear example of American aviation expertise to produce an aircraft design that is literally decades ahead of what other countries can produce.

There are other aircraft in American arsenal which are also decades ahead in similar vein.

F-22A advancement roadmap:

The aircraft will become more capable with passage of time.

20 years from now, F-22A will be something else entirely. Remember this, mate.

 

[waz]

British engines at their best;

https://www.defensenews.com/global/...e-passes-key-milestone-at-colorado-test-site/

The key component of a British hypersonic, air-breathing rocket engine with the potential to fly aircraft and space vehicles at Mach 5 speed has been successfully tested at a site in the United States.

Reaction Engines said in an Oct. 22 statement that the precooler heat exchanger element of its Sabre (synergetic air-breathing rocket engine) had run at the equivalent of five times the speed of sound at its test facility at the Colorado Air and Space Port outside of Denver.

BAE Systems, Reaction Engines, Rolls-Royce and Boeing’s venture capital arm HorizonX are all stakeholders in the company.


@UKBengali

The people in the know, know what the UK can do.

 

[Nike]

True will be a standout and something that we have been working on for ten years now.

US Navy has F/A XX program being running by Boeing

 

[waz]

US Navy has F/A XX program being running by Boeing

Yes that's right. I did mention the US many times. They are top dog.

 

[UKBengali]

Yes that's right. I did mention the US many times. They are top dog.

This will be the fighter competition of the 1st half of this century.

US is the frontrunner but do not discount the UK underdog.

 

[waz]

This will be the fighter competition of the 1st half of this century.

US is the frontrunner but do not discount the UK underdog.

Of course bro team UK lol.

 

[Indos]

PS - What is the more advanced military jet engine that GE has produced then? In the US, fighter jet engines mainly go to P&W.

F 404 for Hornet and Tejas
F414 for Superhornet and KFX/IFX