UAE and US fighter jets fly over the Gulf and refuel in air

[Mithridates]

Your f14s are very old and have old avionics

dude this is the problem, our f-14s and US f-15s maded back in 70's but no one tells US f-15s are old...

About 3rd khordad or any indigenous weapons in world if you haven't great base of technology it can make problems

unlike what people of world think, IR in military field didn't performed well either. iran by now should had it's 4th generation, nuclear subs, helicopter carrier and many other things. i had a teacher in university and he was a respectful person, i'm quoting him:
"in theoretical sciences we can say we are among top 10 countries, but in industrial scale maybe we barely can fit ourselves in top 40 countries, because we became a copy paste nation"
in critical fields unlike the rest of our industry, they focos on quality so no our military products are fine.

 

[The SC]

Thanks for finding yes tomcat does seem superior in some important aspects.

I just hope that Iran and KSA don’t fight.
As if Iraq Iran war and other wars are not enough

That was in the 80s..almost 40 years ago!?

 

[Mithridates]

F-16 Block 60 is better than the F-14 in air-to-air combat

f-16 max angle of attack is 29 vs f-14's 74 degrees, f-16's thrust/weight ratio is better while f-14 has better turn ratio. f-14 stall speed is 62 km/h vs 240 km/h of f-16. this whole things i said indicates f-14 superiority in all fields especially in dogfights except of acceleration. and about BVR combat, f-14 radar range is superior and can detect an f-16 in almost 220 km, while f-16 can track f-14 in almost 230 km, but again phoenix in a head on situation is deadly. it's range is better, it's active radar range is better and its speed is superior.

 

[Philip the Arab]

f-16 max angle of attack is 29 vs f-14's 74 degrees, f-16's thrust/weight ratio is better while f-14 has better turn ratio. f-14 stall speed is 62 km/h vs 240 km/h of f-16. this whole things i said indicates f-14 superiority in all fields especially in dogfights except of acceleration. and about BVR combat, f-14 radar range is superior and can detect an f-16 in almost 220 km, while f-16 can track f-14 in almost 230 km, but again phoenix in a head on situation is deadly. it's range is better, it's active radar range is better and its speed is superior.

The AIM-54 Phoenix was made for Soviet bombers, not fighter aircraft.

 

[Mithridates]

The AIM-54 Phoenix was made for Soviet bombers, not fighter aircraft.

iraqi mig-23 could maneuver up to 8.5g with turn ratio better than an f-16, go and check how many we down with AIM-54. dude just think about it, is it possible that soviet bombers travel without several su-27 escorting them??
what you're saying is US made a fighter jet to only engage with bombers. phoenix no escape zone is 85 km while AMRAAM has 65 km.

 

[Wilhelm II]

our f-14s and US f-15s maded back in 70's but no one tells US f-15s are old...

First majority of f15 fleet of world are upgraded or in upgrading second majority of strike eagles like Saudis are new
Yes you make many things of military production but most of them are Reverse Engineering of old weapons and with lower quality

iraqi mig-23 could maneuver up to 8.5g with turn ratio better than an f-16, go and check how many we down with AIM-54. dude just think about it, is it possible that soviet bombers travel without several su-27 escorting them??
what you're saying is US made a fighter jet to only engage with bombers. phoenix no escape zone is 85 km while AMRAAM has 65 km.

Man Iraq Iran war was in 20th century and now we are in 21th century 1/5 of century is gone and you still talking about Iran Iraq war technologies world changed so fast

 

[Mithridates]

First majority of f15 fleet of world are upgraded or in upgrading second majority of strike eagles like Saudis are new
Yes you make many things of military production but most of them are Reverse Engineering of old weapons and with lower quality

does it look like a reverse engineered radar to you??

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[Wilhelm II]

does it look like a reverse engineered radar to you??

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I told you most of them majority of them

 

[Mithridates]

Man Iraq Iran war was in 20th century and now we are in 21th century 1/5 of century is gone and you still talking about Iran Iraq war technologies world changed so fast

the mechanical aspects didn't change much except for new ++4 and 5th generations.

mig23's turn ratio is 15.1 degree/sec.

 

[Philip the Arab]

the mechanical aspects didn't change much except for new ++4 and 5th generations.
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mig23's turn ratio is 15.1 degree/sec.

What about jamming m8? If your radars can't see than they are useless.

 

[Mithridates]

What about jamming m8? If your radars can't see than they are useless.

yes this is a good question, according to some one the AWG-9s are upgraded to resist against EM, but the quality of EW and how the upgrade gonna act, we should wait and see.
did you know f-14 has it's own internal jamming unit?? in one case during iran-iraq war one of our f-14 hit an iraqi super etendard over PG near to saudi borders while it's pilot didn't noticed the tomcat and that incident soured iraqi-saudi relations and saddam fo many years thought saudi f-15 hit the plane.

 

[Philip the Arab]

yes this is a good question, according to some one the AWG-9s are upgraded to resist against EM, but the quality of EW and how the upgrade gonna act, we should wait and see.
did you know f-14 has it's own internal jamming unit?? in one case during iran-iraq war one of our f-14 hit an iraqi super etendard over PG near to saudi borders while it's pilot didn't noticed the tomcat and that incident soured iraqi-saudi relations and saddam fo many years thought saudi f-15 hit the plane.

You know modern jammers are more than enough for 1970s tech right? You wouldn't be able to jam modern planes like Typhoon, F-15, F-16 because the upgraded versions have really new tech.

 

[Mithridates]

You know modern jammers are more than enough for 1970s tech right? You wouldn't be able to jam modern planes like Typhoon, F-15, F-16 because the upgraded versions have really new tech.

jamming has two usual methods, you either disrupt the radar or introduce it fake targets, iran can do both.
lets say the modern planes are immune against second one, but any country can perform the first.

 

[The SC]

jamming has two usual methods, you either disrupt the radar or introduce it fake targets, iran can do both.
lets say the modern planes are immune against second one, but any country can perform the first.

The F-14 was the best of its time..not anymore..

GlobalSecurity indicates that Iran flew the F-14 in an AWACS-type role. To counter, Iraqi Mirage F1-EQs flew low-altitude profiles, popping up briefly to illuminate and launch missiles against the F-14s; several Tomcats were lost in this manner. GlobalSecurity also reports that less than 20 aircraft were still airworthy as of 2000, and cited one report that only seven can be airborne at one time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-14_Tomcat_operational_history#Iranian_service

 

[Mithridates]

The F-14 was the best of its time..not anymore..

GlobalSecurity indicates that Iran flew the F-14 in an AWACS-type role. To counter, Iraqi Mirage F1-EQs flew low-altitude profiles, popping up briefly to illuminate and launch missiles against the F-14s; several Tomcats were lost in this manner. GlobalSecurity also reports that less than 20 aircraft were still airworthy as of 2000, and cited one report that only seven can be airborne at one time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-14_Tomcat_operational_history#Iranian_service

it is not about the f-14, some people think that f-14 is nothing so i gave them a measure to compare.
that number estimation is worthless. to b specific baseless, because iran never stated the number and will not.