UAE and Egypt negotiating surrender in Libya to Turkey

[T-123456]

Plz elaborate

The thread title is wrong,read the first post.
The so called ''advisors'' want to get out of the base.

 

[Turan09]

muslim on muslim...so sad.
who wins?

We will...

 

[Stryker1982]

Turkey i hope.


You are also one of those simpletons who look at a map and think ''wow such a big area LNA has''?
The legitimate goverment GNA controls more than half of Libyas population, what use does a huge area have when most of it is desert?

You are one of those simpletons that thinks the GNA is winning LOL. While LNA has control of 43 billion in oil reserves in the south and east that is required to fund the other half of GNA's population that despises Islamism that Turkey has imported.

Meanwhile, Tripoli is within Artillery range and Turks, much like they were in Syria, completely delusional about a "victory".

 

[Neptune]

Geneva convention doesnt apply here,officially these people dont exist,the official government can do whatever they want with them.
A very dumb move to let them go,lets hope they made a good deal.

I agree with you bro but unfortunately it applies for us no matter who's in our front. But like I said in the next page I think, it would be a dump move to apply the POW process for them anyways. I said this below, and I wonder what the pack thinks about this idea, @-SINAN- @xenon54 @cabatli_53 @UkroTurk @ANMDT and the rest of the Turkish community whom I might have forgotten to mention.

The smartest move here would be to have the GNA arrest Haftar-affiliated soldiers under the charge of treason, desertion and failure to obey orders; arrest the militants for terrorism charges; and instead of arresting the foreign soldiers they should charge them with violation of Libya's sovereignty and territorial integrity. On the other hand if the MIT has proof of Egyptian/UAE involvement in the killing of Turkish personnel in the past months; then the foreign soldiers in the base should be under Turkish military custody and shiped to Turkey. These moves will significantly augment GNA's legitimacy, both domestically and internationally and we will have a huge bargaining power that would not be limited to use for the take over of the base only. The status of French/Russian soldiers is entirely a different question.

Diplomatically, it would be a very dumb move to apply what is commonly known as laws of war. By doing so, GNA would basically have recognized LNA and associated foreign powers as its legal counterpart and legally an equal force operating in the country, it would undermine its own legitimacy. If GNA wants to prove the world it is the government in Libya the way UN sees it. It should rather stick to terrorism and penal charges rather than going all Geneva. Because like it or not, GNA is the only legitimate government in the country and Turkish military is the only foreign country who has the consent to use force and to maintain military presence granted by the legitimate government in Libya. They should be charged with above mentioned crimes. Not as POWs.

 

[asena_great]

despises Islamism that Turkey has imported.

be quit

I agree with you bro but unfortunately it applies for us no matter who's in our front. But like I said in the next page I think, it would be a dump move to apply the POW process for them anyways. I said this below, and I wonder what the pack thinks about this idea, @-SINAN- @xenon54 @cabatli_53 @UkroTurk @ANMDT and the rest of the Turkish community whom I might have forgotten to mention.

The smartest move here would be to have the GNA arrest Haftar-affiliated soldiers under the charge of treason, desertion and failure to obey orders; arrest the militants for terrorism charges; and instead of arresting the foreign soldiers they should charge them with violation of Libya's sovereignty and territorial integrity. On the other hand if the MIT has proof of Egyptian/UAE involvement in the killing of Turkish personnel in the past months; then the foreign soldiers in the base should be under Turkish military custody and shiped to Turkey. These moves will significantly augment GNA's legitimacy, both domestically and internationally and we will have a huge bargaining power that would not be limited to use for the take over of the base only. The status of French/Russian soldiers is entirely a different question.

Diplomatically, it would be a very dumb move to apply what is commonly known as laws of war. By doing so, GNA would basically have recognized LNA and associated foreign powers as its legal counterpart and legally an equal force operating in the country, it would undermine its own legitimacy. If GNA wants to prove the world it is the government in Libya the way UN sees it. It should rather stick to terrorism and penal charges rather than going all Geneva. Because like it or not, GNA is the only legitimate government in the country and Turkish military is the only foreign country who has the consent to use force and to maintain military presence granted by the legitimate government in Libya. They should be charged with above mentioned crimes. Not as POWs.

this is a smart move

 

[xenon54 out]

You are one of those simpletons that thinks the GNA is winning LOL. While LNA has control of 43 billion in oil reserves in the south and east that is required to fund the other half of GNA's population that despises Islamism that Turkey has imported.

Meanwhile, Tripoli is within Artillery range and Turks, much like they were in Syria, completely delusional about a "victory".

Show me the part where i said who is winning.
Currently nobody can claim victory yet, be careful before cheering too early.

 

[bsruzm]

If there is some truth in rumors, they better know that UAE would do "anything" for an Emirati soldier. Let's hope they are aware of that.

 

[UkroTurk]

I agree with you bro but unfortunately it applies for us no matter who's in our front. But like I said in the next page I think, it would be a dump move to apply the POW process for them anyways. I said this below, and I wonder what the pack thinks about this idea, @-SINAN- @xenon54 @cabatli_53 @UkroTurk @ANMDT and the rest of the Turkish community whom I might have forgotten to mention.

The smartest move here would be to have the GNA arrest Haftar-affiliated soldiers under the charge of treason, desertion and failure to obey orders; arrest the militants for terrorism charges; and instead of arresting the foreign soldiers they should charge them with violation of Libya's sovereignty and territorial integrity. On the other hand if the MIT has proof of Egyptian/UAE involvement in the killing of Turkish personnel in the past months; then the foreign soldiers in the base should be under Turkish military custody and shiped to Turkey. These moves will significantly augment GNA's legitimacy, both domestically and internationally and we will have a huge bargaining power that would not be limited to use for the take over of the base only. The status of French/Russian soldiers is entirely a different question.

Diplomatically, it would be a very dumb move to apply what is commonly known as laws of war. By doing so, GNA would basically have recognized LNA and associated foreign powers as its legal counterpart and legally an equal force operating in the country, it would undermine its own legitimacy. If GNA wants to prove the world it is the government in Libya the way UN sees it. It should rather stick to terrorism and penal charges rather than going all Geneva. Because like it or not, GNA is the only legitimate government in the country and Turkish military is the only foreign country who has the consent to use force and to maintain military presence granted by the legitimate government in Libya. They should be charged with above mentioned crimes. Not as POWs.

You sound intelligence as always bro.

I think those haftar affiliated and desperate guys would be happy to change their position for more bucks
I am sure as hell our intelligence start weeding out potential captives.

 

[That Guy]

Won't believe it, until I see it happen.

But if it's TRUE, then we may be seeing the end of the civil war in Libya very soon.

 

[Pax Ottomana]

This is bullshyt becase neither Egypt nor UAE have negotiating powers in Libya.

Hafter's boss are the Jews, EU, USA and to a lesser extent Russia. UAE are barely financiers of some of Hafter's expenses and Egypt's Sissi provides much of the cannon fodder against Turkey just as he's ordered by the aforementioned powers.

 

[Neptune]

Okey, now a second question. What should be our exit strategy in Libya? I mean either way we'll eventually have to leave and this place isn't getting any better. France and US both experienced grave consequences for leaving without a proper exit, politically and militarily resulting with loss of lives.

 

[Pax Ottomana]

Our exit strategy is to not exit. We should (and probably will) maintain a small air/naval base in Libya to continue to have a say in Libya's future and safeguard our commercial and military interests in the Eastern Mediterranean.

 

[T-123456]

Okey, now a second question. What should be our exit strategy in Libya? I mean either way we'll eventually have to leave and this place isn't getting any better. France and US both experienced grave consequences for leaving without a proper exit, politically and militarily resulting with loss of lives.

Depends on how it ends,we can speculate all we want but there are to many outcomes,we must wait.

 

[himate]

Okey, now a second question. What should be our exit strategy in Libya? I mean either way we'll eventually have to leave and this place isn't getting any better. France and US both experienced grave consequences for leaving without a proper exit, politically and militarily resulting with loss of lives.

It depends what you mean by exit strategy? It comes in many shapes and form.
Turkey must establish a permanent base there. Get Get GNA to fully establish themselves in all of libya. Build libyan army and create intelligence forces to continually monitor any threats from enemies. Turkey should help rewrite the libyan constitution and become a permanent turkish protectorate. Create an agreement that 50percent of all surplus oil wealth should go into buying investment in turkey.

Libya has potentials of 5trillion dollar worth of oil and most likely many times more as the country is largely unexplored since the last 30 years. Its probably got more oil than iraq or iran if explored properly.
Libyan economy should be fully integrated with Turkey and should help it to become developed and modern. Most importantly libyan armed forces and defence procurement should be intertwined with Turkish armed forces and defence industry.

I believe libya has potentially much more wealth than qatar. Why do you think france, russia, italy and others are so keen to get involved ? Turkey is in a blessed position in libya not because of any military victory but because these libyans are loyal supporters of turkeys cause. Turkey has unfair advantage compared with greedy colonialists and turkey should never back down. inshaAllah if turkey stablises libya then the benefits will be felt in both countries for many generations to come

 

[WarDaddy97]

This is bullshyt becase neither Egypt nor UAE have negotiating powers in Libya.

Hafter's boss are the Jews, EU, USA and to a lesser extent Russia. UAE are barely financiers of some of Hafter's expenses and Egypt's Sissi provides much of the cannon fodder against Turkey just as he's ordered by the aforementioned powers.

Loooool.
Russia? Lesser extend? This guy is definitely paid Olgino troll.
Haftar visited Moscow so many times that I lost count. He met with Shoygu and Putin’s inner cabinet. He even visited Russian warship.
Prigozhins Wagner fights along his Arab militia. If Wagner embedded with haftars forces that means decision came from Putin himself.
So cut the bullshit grow a pair of balls and spine. Be a man not a doormat. At the end of the day this is just a forum.
Haftar broke the status quo(USA supported btw) after he got a green light from Moscow. Moscow miscalculated by believing haftar and his bullshit. Just like Qassem Suleimani bullshitted Russians in summer 2015 painting glorious victories pushing them into Syrian swamp, since Shias couldn’t handle it anymore on the ground, similarly Haftar lied to Kremlins by making them believe his militia is strong and offensive op will be a cakewalk.

It depends what you mean by exit strategy? It comes in many shapes and form.
Turkey must establish a permanent base there. Get Get GNA to fully establish themselves in all of libya. Build libyan army and create intelligence forces to continually monitor any threats from enemies. Turkey should help rewrite the libyan constitution and become a permanent turkish protectorate. Create an agreement that 50percent of all surplus oil wealth should go into buying investment in turkey.

Libya has potentials of 5trillion dollar worth of oil and most likely many times more as the country is largely unexplored since the last 30 years. Its probably got more oil than iraq or iran if explored properly.
Libyan economy should be fully integrated with Turkey and should help it to become developed and modern. Most importantly libyan armed forces and defence procurement should be intertwined with Turkish armed forces and defence industry

It depends what you mean by exit strategy? It comes in many shapes and form.
Turkey must establish a permanent base there. Get Get GNA to fully establish themselves in all of libya. Build libyan army and create intelligence forces to continually monitor any threats from enemies. Turkey should help rewrite the libyan constitution and become a permanent turkish protectorate. Create an agreement that 50percent of all surplus oil wealth should go into buying investment in turkey.

Libya has potentials of 5trillion dollar worth of oil and most likely many times more as the country is largely unexplored since the last 30 years. Its probably got more oil than iraq or iran if explored properly.
Libyan economy should be fully integrated with Turkey and should help it to become developed and modern. Most importantly libyan armed forces and defence procurement should be intertwined with Turkish armed forces and defence industry

Here comes another Baron Munchausen who wants to integrate Libyan and Turkish economy
Built Libyan mukhabarat and armed forces
And integrate Libyan and Turkish defense sector

Will you control Libya and flush Haftar? Absolutely not. Not with the presence you have now. With current strength you will route some of Haftars units but won’t get much progress until status quo will be imposed again.
So what’s the solution? Only if you deploy few divisions of Turkish army and have permanent naval presence. To control Libya you must have your boots on the ground. Lots of them.