UAE and Egypt negotiating surrender in Libya to Turkey

[Stryker1982]

Most of the country is controlled by UAE and Egypt back LNA. What kind of fake news is this?

 

[Blacklight]

Most of the country is controlled by UAE and Egypt back LNA. What kind of fake news is this?

Do you even see a link to an actual news outlet? It's just a pic with someones opinion.

This why Muslims lose, when you have the chance to cut the head off for long term benefits you might as well do it. Right now you have the chance to wipe out their advisers this opportunity is a window one must grab to change the course of war. Being held back due to certain codes and conducts never wins wars. Most of all we are now fighting a much different conflict than the one fought 10+ centuries ago.

Not sure about the authenticity of this news, but you need to study Muslim conquests of the 1st 4 Caliphs for a start.

 

[Neptune]

Brother, we cannot be dictated by "what they would do", we have the Quran and Sunnah to guide us

For the Turkish Armed Forces, we have the Constitution, the mandate and the rules of engagement to guide us nothing else, no offense.

This is fairly much more than the "muslims killing muslims" rhetoric. Please do not take this personal, this is for everyone on this forum. Whenever the Turkish Army/Navy/Air Force just starts a mission or a deployment in Middle East and Africa, most people here at PDF who like define themselves as a "muslim first" go very ugly, as far as disrespecting our fallen or coming up with the "Is this neo-Ottomanism?" or we would be shitting down our pants kind of crap. But when weeks go by and we end up in a situation where Turkish drones show up coming from every direction and destroy anything that moves, then all of a sudden everyone cries the "muslims killing muslims again" bullsh.it.

 

[Blacklight]

For the Turkish Armed Forces, we have the Constitution, the mandate and the rules of engagement to guide us nothing else, no offense.

This is fairly much more than the "muslims killing muslims" rhetoric. Please do not take this personal, this is for everyone on this forum. Whenever the Turkish Army/Navy/Air Force just starts a mission or a deployment in Middle East and Africa, most people here at PDF who like define themselves as a "muslim first" go very ugly, as far as disrespecting our fallen or coming up with the "Is this neo-Ottomanism?" or we would be shitting down our pants kind of crap. But when weeks go by and we end up in a situation where Turkish drones show up coming from every direction and destroy anything that moves, then all of a sudden everyone cries the "muslims killing muslims again" bullsh.it.

Under your constitution, what are the rules for surrendering soldiers?

 

[Neptune]

Under your constitution, what are the rules for surrendering soldiers?

There isn't any, like in every other country. Conditions of surrender and detainment are outlined in relevant Geneva conventions. Simply, you give up your arms, holster your fortifications and declare yourself to the victor who will accept your surrender.
Once you're processed, youre officially a prisoner of war and the state that holds you captive is responsible for your safety and health. But in this case it seems that we will allow them to leave the base instead of detaining them. Plus, there are also mercs in the base who are combatants but do not associate with any state. So its a complex situation for any law specialist to come up with a common sense.

 

[Aspen]

Most of the country is controlled by UAE and Egypt back LNA. What kind of fake news is this?

The rest of the country is desert, Tripoli is what matters and Turkey is winning there.

 

[Blacklight]

The rest of the country is desert, Tripoli is what matters and Turkey is winning there.

Providing an actual link to a credible news site would help!

 

[Neptune]

The smartest move here would be to have the GNA arrest Haftar-affiliated soldiers under the charge of treason, desertion and failure to obey orders; arrest the militants for terrorism charges; and instead of arresting the foreign soldiers they should charge them with violation of Libya's sovereignty and territorial integrity. On the other hand if the MIT has proof of Egyptian/UAE involvement in the killing of Turkish personnel in the past months; then the foreign soldiers in the base should be under Turkish military custody and shiped to Turkey. These moves will significantly augment GNA's legitimacy, both domestically and internationally and we will have a huge bargaining power that would not be limited to use for the take over of the base only. The status of French/Russian soldiers is entirely a different question.

Diplomatically, it would be a very dumb move to apply what is commonly known as laws of war. By doing so, GNA would basically have recognized LNA and associated foreign powers as its legal counterpart and legally an equal force operating in the country, it would undermine its own legitimacy. If GNA wants to prove the world it is the government in Libya the way UN sees it. It should rather stick to terrorism and penal charges rather than going all Geneva. Because like it or not, GNA is the only legitimate government in the country and Turkish military is the only foreign country who has the consent to use force and to maintain military presence granted by the legitimate government in Libya. They should be charged with above mentioned crimes. Not as POWs.

 

[himate]

The smartest move here would be to have the GNA arrest Haftar-affiliated soldiers under the charge of treason, desertion and failure to obey orders; arrest the militants for terrorism charges; and instead of arresting the foreign soldiers they should charge them with violation of Libya's sovereignty and territorial integrity. On the other hand if the MIT has proof of Egyptian/UAE involvement in the killing of Turkish personnel in the past months; then the foreign soldiers in the base should be under Turkish military custody and shiped to Turkey. These moves will significantly augment GNA's legitimacy, both domestically and internationally and we will have a huge bargaining power that would not be limited to use for the take over of the base only. The status of French/Russian soldiers is entirely a different question.

Diplomatically, it would be a very dumb move to apply what is commonly known as laws of war. By doing so, GNA would basically have recognized LNA and associated foreign powers as its legal counterpart and legally an equal force operating in the country, it would undermine its own legitimacy. If GNA wants to prove the world it is the government in Libya the way UN sees it. It should rather stick to terrorism and penal charges rather than going all Geneva. Because like it or not, GNA is the only legitimate government in the country and Turkish military is the only foreign country who has the consent to use force and to maintain military presence granted by the legitimate government in Libya. They should be charged with above mentioned crimes. Not as POWs.

Good points however turkey should thread in a way so it doesnt precipitate a backlash from france or russia. Turkey should quietly support the expansion of the GNA all the way to benghazi and tobrouk without attracting much international hostility and attention. The western world are more fearfull of the rise of turkey than of russia or china because of the potential influence turkey holds in multiple regions due to historical religious ties/romance with the people of those regions (north africa, middle east, Caucasus, central asia and south asia)

This current world pandemic is working in the benefit of turkish interest and turkey should accelerate expansion in libya while powerful enemies like russia and france are mostly occupied with home crises and massive recessions.

 

[ziaulislam]

Turkey needs to either assert force or back off...
Glade they are listening ..
Prop up the libyan govt, enforce a no fly zone and bomb shit out of haftar forces..until he loses support..than negotiate a unity govt.

Mess up in syria was grand ..

 

[xenon54 out]

muslim on muslim...so sad.
who wins?

Turkey i hope.

Most of the country is controlled by UAE and Egypt back LNA. What kind of fake news is this?

You are also one of those simpletons who look at a map and think ''wow such a big area LNA has''?
The legitimate goverment GNA controls more than half of Libyas population, what use does a huge area have when most of it is desert?

 

[T-123456]

There isn't any, like in every other country. Conditions of surrender and detainment are outlined in relevant Geneva conventions. Simply, you give up your arms, holster your fortifications and declare yourself to the victor who will accept your surrender.
Once you're processed, youre officially a prisoner of war and the state that holds you captive is responsible for your safety and health. But in this case it seems that we will allow them to leave the base instead of detaining them. Plus, there are also mercs in the base who are combatants but do not associate with any state. So its a complex situation for any law specialist to come up with a common sense.

Geneva convention doesnt apply here,officially these people dont exist,the official government can do whatever they want with them.
A very dumb move to let them go,lets hope they made a good deal.

 

[Mentee]

This is what differentiates a Muslim army

Hard'aa paani a'n Rab da
To ghori agha'n no tor

@SIPRA

Geneva convention doesnt apply here,officially these people dont exist,the official government can do whatever they want with them.
A very dumb move to let them go,lets hope they made a good deal.

Take haftar alive and try him for war crimes against lybian people. No rogue general must be set free. This instant bullet in the head won't do no justice

 

[T-123456]

Take haftar alive and try him for war crimes against lybian people. No rogue general must be set free. This instant bullet in the head won't do no justice

Its not about Haftar,yet.

 

[Mentee]

Its not about Haftar,yet.

Plz elaborate