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By Matthew Lee, The Associated Press 3:34 p.m. EDT October 23, 2015
U.S., Russia, Saudi and Turkey mull new Syria transition ideas

VIENNA — The United States, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Turkey put forward new ideas Friday to revive a failed push for a political transition in Syria that could end the country's civil war, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said Friday. But they remained deeply divided over the future of Syrian President Bashar Assad.

The top diplomats from the four countries agreed to meet again in an expanded format with representatives from other nations next week, but the only concrete result of this week's talks appeared to be an agreement between Jordan and Russia to coordinate military operations in Syria. Kerry said there was no decision on whether to invite Iran, a major patron of Syria.

Kerry said that he, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir and Turkish Foreign Minister Feridun Sinirlioglu went over proposals to restart moribund talks on how to create a transitional government for Syria. Kerry gave no details.

"I am convinced, having been part of this process since the day I became secretary that today's meeting was constructive and productive and succeeded in surfacing some ideas, which I am not going to share today, but which I hope have a possibility of changing the dynamic," Kerry told reporters after the meeting.

Lavrov said he has invited the U.S., Saudi Arabia and Turkey to join the coordination center that Russia and Jordan agreed earlier Friday that they would set up to integrate their air campaigns over Syria. Jordan is a member of the U.S.-led coalition that is bombing Islamic State facilities in Iraq and Syria. The coalition has so far refused to cooperate with Russia's operations beyond a basic agreement intended to prevent mid-air incidents. Mohammad al-Momani, Jordanian government spokesman said the agreement did not mean that Jordan was leaving the coalition.

Kerry, traveling to Jordan later Friday for talks with King Abdullah II and Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas, said the new ideas "are in keeping with all of the principles that have been laid down and with sensitivities of the nations and the parties, the opposition, all those involved in this effort."

A leading Syrian opposition group, the Syrian National Council, was unconvinced.

"We will not accept the presence of Assad for one day in the transitional period," said Anas al-Abdah, a member of the coalition, said in a statement emailed to AP.

Kerry said the countries' representatives would meet again as early as next Friday to determine whether there is enough reason to proceed.

The U.S., Turkey and Saudi Arabia all share the view that Syrian President Bashar Assad must go if the conflict is to be resolved. Russia, however, is Assad's prime backer, along with Iran. Russia began airstrikes in Syria last month that it said were aimed at Islamic State militants, but the U.S. and its allies say the bombing is bolstering Assad rather than targeting militants.

Kerry said that despite Russian and Iranian support for Assad, the U.S. and allied nations "understand that Assad creates an impossible dynamic for peace." That situation, Kerry said, "has to be resolved," suggesting political talks could patch up the differences.

Lavrov said Russia's support for Assad remains strong despite what he described as "rumors" that the current talks were aimed at eventually easing the Syrian president from power.

"Our partners have some obsession with the figure of the Syrian president, but we reaffirmed our position," Lavrov said. He pointed to Russian President Vladimir Putin's warning during recent talks with Assad in Moscow that a narrow focus "on a concrete figure" during the height of the continuing conflict could lead to a "grave crisis."

One item on the agenda, Kerry said, was which nations should be included political transition discussions. Russia is keen to bring Iran into the talks, but Saudi Arabia is opposed. The Obama administration has said repeatedly that all the countries with an interest in Syria, including Iran and Russia, need to agree on what the transition should bring: a unified, secular and pluralistic Syria governed with the consent of its people.

Assad, the administration, says is the only thing standing in the way.

Syria is in its fifth year of a civil war that has killed hundreds of thousands, spurred a massive refugee crisis in Europe and led to the emergence of the Islamic State group and Russia's direct military intervention.

Friday's meetings in Vienna — site of the world's last major international diplomatic success, the Iran nuclear deal in July — followed a surprise visit by Assad on Tuesday to Moscow. There, he and Putin discussed Russia's military operations in Syria that the U.S. and others say are bolstering Assad and not targeting Islamic State militants, as Russia claims.

Putin said Thursday that Assad had told him he is ready to talk with his political foes. Putin also defended Russia's bombing campaign, saying it would set the stage for peace talks.

A military victory over the militants "will not solve all problems, but it will create conditions for the main thing: a beginning of a political process to encompass all healthy, patriotic forces of the Syrian society," Putin said. His words echoed those of Syrian government officials who have expressed readiness to negotiate with the "patriotic" opposition — a term generally used to describe unarmed, mostly Damascus-based government critics who are tolerated by Assad.

Associated Press writers James Heintz in Moscow, Sam McNeil in Amman and Sarah El-Deeb in Beirut contributed to this report.

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Let Russia handle it they know what they are doing , and please no more supplies to ISIS
 
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The pathetic Muslim and Arab leaders have betrayed Syria and its people. They have close to no credibility left.

Our beloved and ancient Sham is violated by a bunch of vodka and heroin addicts while the pathetic leaders are looking at this joke of affairs like school girls scared of confrontation.

Syrians are on their own, sadly. Our glorious ancestors would be turning in their graves if they saw the situation of today. From cradle of civilization to cradle of retardation. Of course this is extremely harsh, but man, have the leaders since WW2 been largely pathetic in our part of the world. Our worst enemy could not have envisioned this.

If the cockroaches wanted something decisive to be done they would/could easily have done that long ago. But they are content with status quo. Their time will come though.
 
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Assad should remain after everything :) he solved the problem which he did not create Russia will make sure of it he remains and with Iran
 
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Alliance member Russia says Alliance will not accept end of Assad dynasty. Bashar will pass power to one of his sons, most likely Hafez.

 
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Alliance member Russia says Alliance will not accept end of Assad dynasty. Bashar will pass power to one of his sons, most likely Hafez.


The criminal peasant dynasty (Al-Assad) will be destroyed and be an irrelevant element of the long history of Syria. Russia has no say. Putin will follow suit eventually along with his lapdog Lavrov.
 
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The criminal peasant dynasty (Al-Assad) will be destroyed and be an irrelevant element of the long history of Syria. Russia has no say. Putin will follow suit eventually along with his lapdog Lavrov.


Insurgents are losing ground. Russian attack helicopters are killing insurgents at an alarming rate.

 
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Insurgents are losing ground. Russian attack helicopters are killing insurgents at an alarming rate.

The criminal Al-Assad dynasty will never be able to control all of Syria again. The criminal regime only controls 20% of Syrian territory. Asshead has almost no locals left to forcefully draft into his genocidal brigades thus he needs to import hired terrorists from abroad.

Syria will remain a failed state as long as Asshead sits in Damascus. Ba'athism is a dead ideology as well. The Al-Asshead regime is its last bastion. Once Asshead goes it will be the final nail in the coffin.

Vodka involvement will only delay. Not prevail. That was some rap there.

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Time to switch allegiance Supaboy.
 
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Doesn't matter. Only western Syria is important.

Western Syria (Alawite land) is poor mans land. No resources. Overpopulated too. Eastern Syria is where all the riches are and main trade routes linking several countries. Along with Northern and Southern Syria.
 
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