U.S. aircraft carriers hold joint drills after ASEAN lambastes Beijing over South China Sea

[Reashot Xigwin]

Is there something you don't understand from my previous post? ok, let me repeat again
DON'T ever quote me anymore, i HATE dealing with "LIAR" got it?

Red ONE GOES FASTA!!! - CCP military leadership.

You're the one that post rate of fire means better AA capability. Not even the US subscribe to this way of thinking anymore. Goes to show the average chinese poster here actually doesn't understand current military matter & technology.

Why can't you chicom just admit you will be destroyed by the USN if they decided to come a knocking.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

The Indians seem to have loaned you the cow cola. It's pretty delusional and works very well ON low IQ folks.

Address my points if you claim to be of higher IQ than me. That is if you can

Spoiler alert: You can't.

 

[rott]

Address my points if you claim to be of higher IQ than me. That is if you can

Spoiler alert: You can't.

I don't need to be stupid to challenge you. See, how stupid you are. Anyways, nice to see you enjoying the cola.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

I don't need to be stupid to challenge you. See, how stupid you are. Anyways, nice to see you enjoying the cola.

See you can't. Just like I predicted. Me am so smrt.

Thx for showing everybody how right I am.

 

[rott]

See you can't. Just like I predicted. Me am so smrt.

Thx for showing everybody how right I am.

Hahaha... Keep drinking the cool aid. I don't need to do "stupid" just coz you can.
Try harder to provoke.

 

[Feng Leng]

You make a decent point with all that might that china has.

The next logical step in that direction then becomes, with all that might, how is it china/Taiwan is still an independent Democratic country?

Is it stronger than ccp china, or ccp china wants china/Taiwan to remain independent as a distraction for the masses. Or is there more to it?

Even after PLA spanked India, does Modi dare to recognize Taiwan as an independent country?

I'm just stating the facts mate.

LOL I am still waiting for you to explain why USN can't stop China from bullying your country in the South China Sea

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Like I explained not so long ago. Chinese navy still can't even beat the French Navy. Due to the French having a more access to sophisticated ships, better weapon systems like the rafale & exocet, better trained crew, experiences in high seas combat, access to global bases & shared information from her alliances.

Now you think PLAN can beat the USN? This is beyond conceited. Learn to walk before you can run. China only recently acquired blue water capability. Meaning it's still mostly brown & green.

Care to send a counter?

 

[Feng Leng]

Like I explained not so long ago. Chinese navy still can't even beat the French Navy. Due to the French having a more access to sophisticated ships, better weapon systems like the rafale & exocet, better trained crew, experiences in high seas combat, access to global bases & shared information from her alliances.

Now you think PLAN can beat the USN? This is beyond conceited. Learn to walk before you can run. China only recently acquired blue water capability. Meaning it's still mostly brown & green.

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LOL I am still waiting for you to explain why USN can't stop China from bullying your country in the South China Sea

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Like I explained not so long ago. Chinese navy still can't even beat the French Navy. Due to the French having a more access to sophisticated ships, better weapon systems like the rafale & exocet, better trained crew, experiences in high seas combat, access to global bases & shared information from her alliances.

Now you think PLAN can beat the USN? This is beyond conceited. Learn to walk before you can run. China only recently acquired blue water capability. Meaning it's still mostly brown & green.

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You say more sophisticated, it's more sophisticated? You say has experience it's more experience? Maybe you should try saying Indonesia isn't resource dependent and non innovative country since apparently whatever you say comes true.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

You say more sophisticated, it's more sophisticated? You say has experience it's more experience? Maybe you should try saying Indonesia isn't resource dependent and non innovative country since apparently whatever you say comes true.

Like I said I'm just stating facts. If you don't like it then jump off of a cliff or something. Maybe you can find facts more pleasant in the afterlife.

China isn't ready yet going up against the big boys like France & the UK let alone the US.

 

[Figaro]

Once a liar always a liar is so true, can you tell readers how your "Italy MADE with Indonesian painting millennium CIWS superior to Chinese 730 CIWS? im all ear, liar
Oh please explain why Indonesian navy purchasing the "Inferior Chinese 730CIWS" other than your "Indonesian paint job Italian made millennium CIWS as well? Im all ear once again
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I like how he calls an Italian designed and made gun "Indonesian" lol ... as if the Indonesians are capable of making such a gun

Like I explained not so long ago. Chinese navy still can't even beat the French Navy. Due to the French having a more access to sophisticated ships, better weapon systems like the rafale & exocet, better trained crew, experiences in high seas combat, access to global bases & shared information from her alliances.

Now you think PLAN can beat the USN? This is beyond conceited. Learn to walk before you can run. China only recently acquired blue water capability. Meaning it's still mostly brown & green.

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The PLAN most likely cannot defeat the USN but it could definitely beat the French navy or frankly any other navy within the Second Island Chain. This is a fact that has already been established by the Pentagon for quite some time now. As for your last statement, it doesn't make any sense. If China "only recently acquired blue water capability", then its navy has "blue water capability." It is no longer a brown or green water navy. Do you even know the definitions of such terms?

Like I said I'm just stating facts. If you don't like it then jump off of a cliff or something. Maybe you can find facts more pleasant in the afterlife.

China isn't ready yet going up against the big boys like France & the UK let alone the US.

Why don't you actually state the "facts" you're talking about instead of hiding behind such a generic term? Prove the facts. From what I've seen, @grey boy 2 provides backup for his claims and tries to have a reasonable discussion with you and yet you present yourself as a political troll spewing wild claims without evidence. Feel free to challenge me on this.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Like I said I'm just stating facts. If you don't like it then jump off of a cliff or something. Maybe you can find facts more pleasant in the afterlife.

China isn't ready yet going up against the big boys like France & the UK let alone the US.

Lol where are your facts? I don't see any evaluation metrics, I don't see any links to facts for two side by side comparisons, I just see you stating useless abstract words like "sophisticated" like they meant something or were measurable in any way.

That's what triggers you so bad, you can't handle your gods being compared to someone that you are as closer to your levels. It's like blasphemy. You see a clear racial hierarchy in this world and you don't like it that Chinese are challenging the limits of science and technology while Indonesia wallows in its own filth and exports the blood and flesh of the motherland - resources.

As if France and UK have some leading edge tech that China doesn't? Civilian and military tech is closely linked. There's very few countries with garbage civilian tech and top tier military tech (the opposite isn't true, there are countries with good civilian tech but garbage military tech, almost never the other way around). UK and France, never heard of them having leading software, semiconductor or industrial machinery companies. Don't worry though, if it makes you feel better, it's OK to lose to China and be inferior to China as an Indonesian. We aren't close to your level, we aren't in your league, we don't even play the same game. That's why in news articles about innovation and military, it's never "China and Indonesia", it's always "China and US". Why would they keep making the comparison otherwise? You know better than Rand, US Naval Institute and all those neocon think tanks?

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

I like how he calls an Italian designed and made gun "Indonesian" lol ... as if the Indonesians are capable of making such a gun


The PLAN most likely cannot defeat the USN but it could definitely beat the French navy or frankly any other navy within the Second Island Chain. This is a fact that has already been established by the Pentagon for quite some time now. As for your last statement, it doesn't make any sense. If China "only recently acquired blue water capability", then its navy has "blue water capability." It is no longer a brown or green water navy. Do you even know the definitions of such terms?


Why don't you actually state the "facts" you're talking about instead of hiding behind such a generic term? Prove the facts. From what I've seen, @grey boy 2 provides backup for his claims and tries to have a reasonable discussion with you and yet you present yourself as a political troll spewing wild claims without evidence. Feel free to challenge me on this.

I don't think you understand how ownership works? I never said it's Indonesian made. Only said Indonesia owned & operated the millennium gun system. It seems all Chinese here are lacking in reading comprehension.

Do you even know what AHEAD Munition is? Because greyboy clearly doesn't know.
Here it's a picture of the CIWS then you can pretty much see for yourself why the millennium gun are superior to what the Chinese have.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Lol where are your facts? I don't see any evaluation metrics, I don't see any links to facts for two side by side comparisons, I just see you stating useless abstract words like "sophisticated" like they meant something or were measurable in any way.

That's what triggers you so bad, you can't handle your gods being compared to someone that you are as closer to your levels. It's like blasphemy. You see a clear racial hierarchy in this world and you don't like it that Chinese are challenging the limits of science and technology while Indonesia wallows in its own filth and exports the blood and flesh of the motherland - resources.

As if France and UK have some leading edge tech that China doesn't? Civilian and military tech is closely linked. There's very few countries with garbage civilian tech and top tier military tech (the opposite isn't true, there are countries with good civilian tech but garbage military tech, almost never the other way around). UK and France, never heard of them having leading software, semiconductor or industrial machinery companies. Don't worry though, if it makes you feel better, it's OK to lose to China and be inferior to China as an Indonesian. We aren't close to your level, we aren't in your league, we don't even play the same game. That's why in news articles about innovation and military, it's never "China and Indonesia", it's always "China and US". Why would they keep making the comparison otherwise? You know better than Rand, US Naval Institute and all those neocon think tanks?

Uh.... You sure you are not the one who is triggered because you are clearly raving like a lunatic. Saying God & mentioning civy techs & the Brits not having a microprocessor, motherland & blood. You sure you okay? I just post a single post about who have the better CIWS then you guys got absolutely triggered by it like I offended your God or something.

Oh yeah because clearly people are lining up to China for advanced weapon system like SELEX radar, Sigen EW, ASTER & MICA missiles, Exocet ASM.... Let's face it the Chinese navy are not the most advanced. As a customer We should know we bought Chinese made weapons & we regret it ever since.

That's just on the technology side. The French Navy overall have the better training especially in dealing with hypersonic missile for example. Learn to walk before you know how to run young grasshopper.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Uh.... You sure you are not the one who is triggered because you are clearly raving like a lunatic. Saying God & mentioning civy techs & the Brits not having a microprocessor, motherland & blood. You sure you okay? I just post a single post about who have the better CIWS then you guys got absolutely triggered by it like I offended your God or something.

Oh yeah because clearly people are lining up to China for advanced weapon system like SELEX radar, Sigen EW, ASTER & MICA missiles, Exocet ASM.... Let's face it the Chinese navy are not the most advanced. As a customer We should know we bought Chinese made weapons & we regret it ever since.

That's just on the technology side. The French Navy overall have the better training especially in dealing with hypersonic missile for example. Learn to walk before you know how to run young grasshopper.

No proof.