Typhoon hopes up after delay in Rafale deal

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Typhoon hopes up after delay in Rafale deal

The European Aeronautic Space and Defence (EADS), which manufactures the Eurofighter Typhoon, medium multi-role combat aircraft, is still hopeful of getting the $18 billion contract to supply 126 MMRCA to the Indian Air Force. It lost out to the French Rafale, manufactured by Dassault Aviation on 31 January 2012, but pins its hope on the fact that the rejection never came in writing.

A source in EADS told this newspaper, “In November 2011, when the shortlisting took place, four out of the six contenders were given in writing that they were out of the race. When the name of the L-1 (lowest bidder 1) was declared in January 2012, Eurofighter Typhoon, which was L-2, was not given anything in writing. This is why Typhoon believes that the deal is not yet closed.” The source said that Eurofighter Typhoon is gearing up to address the issues on which it faced rejection.

David Cameron’s recent India visit raised Typhoon’s hopes after the British Prime Minister discussed the deal with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh. UK is one of the four partnering countries in the Typhoon programme, along with Germany, Spain and Italy.

While negotiations are on between the Ministry of Defence (MoD) and Dassault Aviation, it must be noted that the French aircraft company’s commercial bid comes to an end on 31 March 2013. If a decision is not made by this time, the old bid will not be considered and a fresh revised bid will be called for.

The British aircraft company, BAE Systems, which is a partner in the Typhoon programme, has said that it is still in India, and if Indian MoD seeks any clarifications, it would provide all answers.

Typhoon hopes up after delay in Rafale deal

 

[halfilhal]

Lets not regurgitate the old **** over and over again. Makes me wanna puke at this thread

 

[Star Wars]

these delays are annoying...just start inducting something.....I,d like to stick to french stuff....

 

[rashtriya.rifles]

pray tell me one thing, when the europeans don't have loyalty to stick with this canard, why should we purchase it.. ?

The member nations of EADS have themselves slashed the typhoon orders by almost 30% from the exisintg order book itself.. what does it tell us ?

Who is going to finance the AESA Radar ? Not us alone !!

 

[Abingdonboy]

Not gonna happen EADS- clutching at straw much? If the deals have to go beyond March 31st (although I hope they don't) then Dassualt can just extend its bid. This has been done in many Indian defence deals in the past and even for the MMRCA deal itself IIRC.

pray tell me one thing, when the europeans don't have loyalty to stick with this canard, why should we purchase it.. ?

The member nations of EADS have themselves slashed the typhoon orders by almost 30% from the exisintg order book itself.. what does it tell us ?

Who is going to finance the AESA Radar ? Not us alone !!

Not just that but the who will be expected to cough up for the Sea-Typhoon? Almost certainly India would have to fund this entire off-shoot and at the end of it have a naval fighter not able to fly off CATOBAR configured ACCs which is clearly what the IN wants in the future.

The Rafale us the advantage in pretty much every area.

 

[Invincible INDIAN]

Jo bhe lena hai jaldi lelo, March 2013 ke baad or paisa ayega. Uske liye bhe shopping plan kerni hai

 

[Luftwaffe]

The member nations of EADS have themselves slashed the typhoon orders by almost 30% from the exisintg order book itself.. what does it tell us? Who is going to finance the AESA Radar ? Not us alone !!

European Nations and Non European operators have slashed EFT orders because of economic crunch, not become the Aircraft has any troubles. Read the EFT Tranche 3A development which would have even better Airframe then the existing one which anyone can figure out points towards much stealthy [not stealth] airframe then the current one surely price is in question so the Orders are neither huge or limited.

AESA would come as a Package there is no extra developmental cost.

Captor-E AESA Radar
CAPTOR-E Wide Field of Regard AESA Radar
Eurofighter: *CAPTOR-E

 

[Roybot]

Someone send them a rejection letter already!

 

[Abingdonboy]

European Nations and Non European operators have slashed EFT orders because of economic crunch, not become the Aircraft has any troubles. Read the EFT Tranche 3A development which would have even better Airframe then the existing one which anyone can figure out points towards much stealthy [not stealth] airframe then the current one surely price is in question so the Orders are neither huge or limited.

AESA would come as a Package there is no extra developmental cost.

Captor-E AESA Radar
CAPTOR-E Wide Field of Regard AESA Radar
Eurofighter: *CAPTOR-E

But why should India want to step into a project with such difficulties, plagied by political in-fighting and lack of vision? The Rafale has a clear future road-map and is deploying tech today that the EFT merely has PLANS to do in the future but this is not even certain.

 

[rashtriya.rifles]

European Nations and Non European operators have slashed EFT orders because of economic crunch, not become the Aircraft has any troubles. Read the EFT Tranche 3A development which would have even better Airframe then the existing one which anyone can figure out points towards much stealthy [not stealth] airframe then the current one surely price is in question so the Orders are neither huge or limited.

AESA would come as a Package there is no extra developmental cost.

Captor-E AESA Radar
CAPTOR-E Wide Field of Regard AESA Radar
Eurofighter: *CAPTOR-E

The discussion is not even being held at the level of comparison of capabilities. That's pointless since IAF have done their homework and shortlisted them.

What is indeed important are the areas where RAFALE will give us a clear advantage moving forward as far as the platform as a whole is concerned! A quick list would include :

1. Already operational AESA
2. Full code access of the radar
3. An advanced Naval Version already operational.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

When it comes to this kind of money, then of course they are going to try and hang on till the last possible second.

Who wants to go back home and tell their boss that they've lost an $18 billion contract.

 

[Luftwaffe]

But why should India want to step into a project with such difficulties, plagied by political in-fighting and lack of vision? The Rafale has a clear future road-map and is deploying tech today that the EFT merely has PLANS to do in the future but this is not even certain.

Who says hindustani should step in. Its IAF/Govt decision. There is No problem with EFT development, No difficulties exists neither political or any lack of vision that is why Tranche 3A has been executed and all the upgrades of Tranche 1-2 to commence.

Comparing the sales of EFT to Rafale and calling lack of vision is simply ignorance, it is infact Rafale with limited vision even U.A.E rejected it on the grounds of weak Engine and refusal of Dassault for a better over all Variant of Rafale instead begging U.A.E to Fund the Project.

Read Tranche 3A damn it before saying EFT merely has plans, how hard can it be to google.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Who says hindustani should step in. Its IAF/Govt decision. There is No problem with EFT development, No difficulties exists neither political or any lack of vision that is why Tranche 3A has been executed and all the upgrades of Tranche 1-2 to commence.

Comparing the sales of EFT to Rafale and calling lack of vision is simply ignorance, it is infact Rafale with limited vision even U.A.E rejected it on the grounds of weak Engine and refusal of Dassault for a better over all Variant of Rafale instead begging U.A.E to Fund the Project.

Read Tranche 3A damn it before saying EFT merely has plans, how hard can it be to google.

Please, the EFT has lost out to the Rafale in every open competion where they have gone head-head. Be it with the Swiss , Brazilians, Emirates, Japanese etc If these successes have failed to turn into concrete orders this is because of poltical and fincail considerations.

The Rafale has out-shone the EFF in almost every way whether it is on paper,in head-head deals or actual combat.


And the Trance-3 will merely bring the EFT to the Rafale's T-2 standards of the mid-'00s.

It is a fact that the different operators of the EFT are squabbling about what upgrades to fund and what not to in the face of serious defence cutbacks and are trying to get out of leggally binding obligations regarding funding and orders.

With the Rafale the IAF gets a proven platform which has a well-thought out future roadmap with good financial feasibility. When India gets onboard India will be dealing with one nation not a consortium who struggles to see eye to eye and have briefly different priorities and demands.

It is a mess India has done well to avoid being embroiled in.

 

[Luftwaffe]

rashtriya.rifles, I do Agree currently Rafale has A2G advantage, which EFT will cover eventually but not 100% and not so soon. The Tranche3A upgrade means lighter strong Airframe apart from over all Avionics.

There are as many 37+32/36 of Jaguars with alot of life left in them that were manufactured by HAL between 94-2002. Rest of Jaguars and Mig-27s were upgraded but would be the right choice to be replaced by Rafale those extra 63 you people are hearing over the top of 126 Rafale is very possible and makes sense.

- Number of Jaguars used as Antiship Naval Role
- 48 of Mig-29s on order would be used in Naval Role
- Number? of LCA II would be used in Naval Role [replaced of AV-8 Harriers]
- Mirage 2000 Ground Attack
- Mig-27 Ground Attack
- Rafale Ground Attack+ A2A

 

[scarcry]

back from the dead! classic example of how indians are punished but not other! on topic BTW Rafale is highest priority along with m777 this defence budget. So EFT just bite the bullet even f35 is doing better than EFT

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/02/07/india-airshow-rafale-idINDEE91605Z20130207

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