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ATGM is a nightmare for armor as proved in syrian conflict. ATGM teams can wreck havoc in the enemy armor columns.

That is depend. on an open plain, an ATGM team won't be able to harm a tank, as they will be spotted before they can do any damage. But in a city ruin where you can hide every where, this ATGM teams can become a nightmare to the tank. That's why you shouldn't send a tank alone in a CQB area. You have to protect your tank with infantries.
 
That is depend. on an open plain, an ATGM team won't be able to harm a tank, as they will be spotted before they can do any damage. But in a city ruin where you can hide every where, this ATGM teams can become a nightmare to the tank. That's why you shouldn't send a tank alone in a CQB area. You have to protect your tank with infantries.

But in syria the tanks have been destroyed at every front, in flat plains in mountains in deserts in cities. Even russian Shotra system has failed to disrupt these ATGMs as they r not laser guided.
 
These days even rag tag militant groups have portable anti tank weapons.

Back in the nasty old days in the war against japan, Chinese soldiers had no counter and suffered horrendous losses to even light Japanese tanks. I recalled a Chinese documentary that says it took 80 chinese soldiers lives to take out each japanese tank in the successful battle of Taierzhuang, the first Chinese victory in the war of resistance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Taierzhuang

Tanks no longer have free reign to terrorize infantry like in the old days. Not as badly, that is.
 
Tanks made by genius strategist like Guderian never built for low IQ generals or officers.

The German followed a technique to defeat the enemy that technique all about to use the protection the fire power and the speed of all that combined in one force on narrow front of the enemy to make the penetration they needed to flood the enemy and stike them in their weakest point and that's how the German defeated their enemies.

But when the German used their tanks in the city and they lost some of their tanks they knew that their tanks has limited use it isnot that dragon that can strike fear on the enemies hart any time any where.

You can't use tanks in the urban area but if you have to then you have to use it for a predetermined goal a surgical operation then withdrew your tanks you can't use them like the Syrians like they use it as a fortification or citadel that's not going to work and you going to end in catastrophic for the crew and the morale of your soldiers.
 
Tank not designed to fight in urban area, but for against enemies hard target. Portable anti-tank hardware that the problem, but there is 'modified' tank for urban warfare ex: Russian BMPT. The solution is to create universal armored platform that able carry different armament for different mission.
 
I didn't realize the US tried to copy Russia inititive in a tank competition, except they suck at it. LOL



U.S. Crews Fail To Place in NATO Tank Competition

"Strong Europe Tank Challenge" sees all European crews on top.


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By Kyle Mizokami
MAY 17, 2016

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A recent competition hosted in part by the U.S. Army and designed to test core tank crew skills saw European crews take the top honors, while crews from the U.S. Army failed to place. The results raise the question of whether the Army—after more than a decade of focusing on guerrilla warfare—has devoted adequate training to address "big war" skills.

Held from May 10 to 12 and jointly hosted by the U.S. Army and the German Bundeswehr at the Grafenwoehr Training Area in Germany, the the Strong Europe Tank Challenge included challengers from six NATO countries: Denmark, Germany, Italy, Poland, and Slovenia—which sent tank platoons of four tanks each to compete— and the United States, which sent two platoons.





The competition involved tank crews conducting both offensive and defensive operations, and both mounted and dismounted activities. Crews fired ten main gun rounds from various positions. In one event, crews had to correctly identify 25 friendly and unfriendly (read: Russian) vehicles while traveling a course. Other events involved operating in the aftermath of a chemical weapons attack, dealing with improvised explosive devices, and medical emergencies.

A German tank crew from Mountain Panzer Battalion 7, Panzer Brigade 12 took top honors, followed by a Danish crew from their country's 1st Tank Battalion in second. Third place went to a Polish crew from the 34th Armored Cavalry brigade. It's unknown where the American crews placed, only that they weren't in the top three.

NATO sponsored tank challenges like this were routine during the Cold War—including the famous Canadian Army Trophy—but the Strong Europe Tank Challenge is the first multinational tank challenge to take place since 1991, the year the Soviet Union dissolved.

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The winning German Army tank platoon.
As for the tanks themselves, the German platoon brought Leopard 2A6 tanks. An upgrade of the Cold War Leopard 2, the -A6 model features modified turret armor, giving the turret a more angular appearance. The -A6 also features enhanced mine protection and a 20 percent longer main gun barrel, imparting a higher velocity to projectiles.

Both Denmark and Poland brought Leopard 2A5 tanks, slightly older models but ones with largely with the same capabilities as the -A6. Italy brought a platoon of home-grown Ariete tanks. Slovenia brought M84 tanks, a copy of the Russian T-72 manufactured by Yugoslavia before the country's civil war. The United States brought its M1A2 Abrams tanks.

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An Italian Ariete tank conducting a live fire exercise at Strong Tank.
This isn't the first time U.S. Army tankers have found themselves in an embarrassing situation. North Carolina National Guard tankers beat their Regular Army counterparts—and crews from the U.S. Marine Corps and Canadian Army—at the U.S. Army's 2016 Sullivan Cup. A tank crew consisting of an insurance adjustor, Pepsi truck driver, college student, and aspiring police officer beat fifteen other reserve and active duty tank crews to place first.

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A Polish tanker with his PM-84 Glauberyt machine pistol during the pistol competition.
For decades, the U.S. Army's Armor Corps was a pillar of land power expected to fight the tank forces of Soviet Union on the European battlefield. After 9/11, with the exception of the invasion of Iraq, fighting so-called "high intensity conflict" took a back seat to fighting insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan. While most of the countries involved in the Strong Tank Challenge also sent ground forces to both countries, their commitments largely allowed their tankers to stay oriented on training and operation related to more traditional tank missions—i.e. fighting in big wars against other tanks.

The results in both competitions echo recent comments made by Army Chief of Staff Mark Milley and published in last Sunday's New York Times. Milley stated, "Today, a major in the Army knows nothing but fighting terrorists and guerrillas, because he came into the Army after 9/11. But as we get into the higher-end threats, our skills have atrophied over 15 years."

The primary "higher-end threat" is Russia. Russian land power is clawing back from two decades of neglect. Moscow is building several new families of armored vehicles, including the T-14 Armata main battle tank, T-15 heavy infantry fighting vehicle, Kurganets-25 infantry fighting vehicle, andBumerang family of wheeled armored personnel carriers. Russian campaigns in Ukraine and Syria, and aggressiveness against border states, has shown that President Vladimir Putin can and will use his army to achieve state goals.

Suddenly, the skills tested in the Strong Tank Challenge are more relevant than they've been in fifteen years. Although the loss must sting, it's at least a list of places to start when making much needed improvements. And, hopefully, making them fast.

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Russia's new Armata tank.

Copy? Thought the Russians copy the Canadians.
 
Latest tech developed for tanks make them much safer and deadlier too.

T90's destroyed in syria easily. Bring armata too and it will have the same fate. Tanks are being terrorized in syria nowadays. Tank is not a beast anymore.
 
T90's destroyed in syria easily. Bring armata too and it will have the same fate. Tanks are being terrorized in syria nowadays. Tank is not a beast anymore.

Tank's performance is dependent on many variables.
 
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