Type 052D DDG News & Discussions

[cnleio]

Are you sure that isn't just ship cost, excl. sensors and weapons? And if it that number were ship cost inclusive 'government furnished equipment', would you have identical capabilities?

0.6 billion USD == 3.5 billion RMB money for one type052D.

For China the 3.5 billion is not a cheap cost, 3.5 billion in China can do a lot of things .I don't have official price just already heard many times from "the other guy" (someone in Chinese military forums knew truth) about the cost of type052D is 0.6-bil USD per piece.

If at the beginning we using American costs to develop China, we must already bankrupt.

 

[Penguin]

0.6 billion USD == 3.5 billion RMB money for one type052D.

For China the 3.5 billion is not a cheap cost, 3.5 billion in China can do a lot of things .I don't have official price just already heard many times from "the other guy" (someone in Chinese military forums knew truth) about the cost of type052D is 0.6-bil USD per piece.

If at the beginning we using American costs to develop China, we must already bankrupt.

I am just trying to make sure no one is comparing apples and oranges. Which mean a) similar capabilities and b) similar "what's included in the package for that price".

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-...ally-cost-pj-wilcox-author?forceNoSplash=true

 

[cnleio]

I am just trying to make sure no one is comparing apples and oranges. Which mean a) similar capabilities and b) similar "what's included in the package for that price".

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-...ally-cost-pj-wilcox-author?forceNoSplash=true

Yes, yes, China type052D and U.S Arleigh Burke they r different ... just all belong to Air-defense DDGs with multi-VLS on board. Although U.S's A.B more expensive still has 60+, the N.o1 most numbers in the world ... just behind U.S Navy the N.o2 is PLAN's type052C/D and continue building many ! Well as China is there, the building of type052C/D + type055 DDGs won't stop, maybe oneday PLAN can have the same numbers air-defense DDGs.
This is just beginning ~!


The article offered is interesting, using American weapon costs to calculate the price of China warship(type054A) ... sounds like "Made in China" as expensive as "Made in U.S". But that's not real !

 

[Penguin]

The article offered is interesting, using American weapon costs to calculate the price of China warship(type054A) ... sounds like "Made in China" as expensive as "Made in U.S". But that's not real !

The article actually arrived at price / unit cost reasonably close to what China offered the vessel for to Thailand.
It does not compare to any other ship, US made or otherwise.

 

[cnleio]

The article actually arrived at price / unit cost reasonably close to what China offered the vessel for to Thailand.
It does not compare to any other ship, US made or otherwise.

Weapons! my friend

 

[Penguin]

Weapons! my friend

Would you arrive at a different price qoute using e.g. cost of the Dutch Goalkeeper or French Sylver VLS? Not really.

In reality, in the article many comparisons are made with comparable non-Chinese in-service systems. Not just US but also e.g. French, Swedish. Let's not pretend all Chinese systems are somehow magically cheaper then others, particularly when derived from or licenced versions of specific Western and non-westerns systems (Tavitac, SEMT-Pielstick, AK-176 etcs).

 

[cnleio]

Would you arrive at a different price qoute using e.g. cost of the Dutch Goalkeeper or French Sylver VLS? Not really.

In reality, in the article many comparisons are made with comparable non-Chinese in-service systems. Not just US but also e.g. French, Swedish. Let's not pretend all Chinese systems are somehow magically cheaper then others, particularly when derived from or licenced versions of specific Western and non-westerns systems (Tavitac, SEMT-Pielstick, AK-176 etcs).

Let me give u a example, the Apple "Made in FOXCONN" is cheaper than Apple sold in U.S ... Why ? Coz Foxconn still has many benefits to earn when assembly Apple in China. Why i knew that, coz i was in Foxconn. Advanced weapons too ~

 

[lcloo]

Besides cost of material, labor, R & D, financial and administrative costs are cheaper in China, US companies tend to sell their wares at great profit margin. This results in high selling price of the ships, thus the high costs to the navy.

The key point is the selling price of the ships. The construction costs (material + labor) may not be much different between China and US but the selling prices have large difference.

And selling price of ship = Cost of ship to navy.

Chinese shipyards with government vested stake holdings earn relatively small profits.

I don't know what is the industrial standard profit margin for US and China. However, I worked for China factory and US/ Canada company and have accessed to their financial statements. Our Chinese factory made 10%. The North Americans made upto 200% of our ex-factory costs.

Why is this so? Because their INDIRECT COSTs are relatively very high compare to Chinese. And they need high profit margin to cover these costs.

Give you some idea of ad hoc indirect costs related to arms industry in US - political donations, lobby contributions, publicity and promotions, CEO and directors' annual bonus and salaries etc etc.

 

[Penguin]

Let me give u a example, the Apple "Made in FOXCONN" is cheaper than Apple sold in U.S ... Why ? Coz Foxconn still has many benefits to earn when assembly Apple in China. Why i knew that, coz i was in Foxconn. Advanced weapons too ~

Stop attempting to side track this thread.

 

[grey boy 2]

New 052D (175) will making it the 4th 052 DDG of the South China fleet soon

 

[星海军事]

One 052D (DDG-118) is named after Urumqi.

 

[cnleio]

One 052D (DDG-118) is named after Urumqi.

type052D DDG-118 "Urumqi" ... from current DDG-172, DDG-173, DDG-174, DDG-175 to DDG-178 PLAN soon will equip another 3x new type052D DDGs.

 

[grey boy 2]

052D DDG production on a fast track mode

 

[星海军事]

One 052D (DDG-155) is named after Nanjing.

 

[GS Zhou]

Would you arrive at a different price qoute using e.g. cost of the Dutch Goalkeeper or French Sylver VLS? Not really.

In reality, in the article many comparisons are made with comparable non-Chinese in-service systems. Not just US but also e.g. French, Swedish. Let's not pretend all Chinese systems are somehow magically cheaper then others, particularly when derived from or licenced versions of specific Western and non-westerns systems (Tavitac, SEMT-Pielstick, AK-176 etcs).

sounds that you know more about the PLA Navy warships cost than general of the PLA Navy.

Yin Zhuo (Rear Admiral and Director of the Advisory Committee for Informationization of PLA Navy): cost of 052D is about RMB 500,000 per ton.

link to the quote:
http://ft.people.com.cn/directList.do?fid=1414

and the screenshot.

052D is about 7000 ton in weight. So 7000 x 0.5 million =3,500 million, or 3.5 billion RMB.