Type 052D DDG News & Discussions

[ChineseTiger1986]

China Navy would overpass USN in quantity , for sure , If US doesn't have any sudden demand to increase their fleet.

This quantity is not like North Korea to build up several hundred of midget subs and thousand of missile boats.

This is the based on the quantity of the high end flag ships such as the aircraft carriers, cruisers/destroyers, and nuclear subs.

 

[Martian2]

We should ask about @Martian2 how much effort needs to counter against 6-7 first generation AIP subs like the Soryu class.

In the East China Sea, China has all of the advantages against Japan. Since China has entered mass production of J-20 stealth fighters, China will have air superiority. By controlling the airspace, China can bring all of its anti-submarine assets into play.

China has anti-submarine warfare capability.

1. China has a lot of nuclear and diesel-electric attack submarines. Japan is outgunned in quantity and quality.

2. China has Type 054A frigates and Type 056 light-frigates that have towed-array VDS (ie. variable depth sonar) to detect submarines.

3. China has a Sino-SOSUS network in the East China Sea.

4. China has Z-9C helicopters with anti-submarine warfare equipment that can fly from Type 052C/052D destroyers, Type 054A frigates, or Type 056 light frigates.

"Type 054A features a helipad and hangar for a medium-sized helicopter."

5. China's Y-8Q is equivalent to the American Poseidon P-3C sub-hunter airplane.

In conclusion, Japanese Soryu submarines are not likely to survive for very long.
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Additionally, a Chinese Yuan with AIP should be far superior to a Japanese Soryu. The Chinese Yuan has flank sonar arrays. I believe the sonar arrays use interferometry. Also, China builds the world's fastest supercomputers. Since supercomputers are used in digital signal processing, China should have the edge in identifying a Japanese submarine.

The Chinese Type 095 SSN submarine crew will gain valuable experience training on the digital simulator. Since the Chinese government is flush with a massive trade surplus, we expect Chinese submarine crews to be better-trained than Japanese crews.

Yuan submarine "low-frequency passive flank array"

The following is an excerpt of the full article regarding China's Yuan submarine at USNI News.

Essay: Inside the Design of China’s Yuan-class Submarine - USNI News

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China's third-generation advanced Type 095 nuclear attack submarine will "enter service sometime between 2017 and 2019."

NEW CHINESE SUBMARINE SIMULATOR PROVIDES CLUES TO FUTURE NAVAL POWER | Popular Science

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

In the East China Sea, China has all of the advantages against Japan. Since China has entered mass production of J-20 stealth fighters, China will have air superiority. By controlling the airspace, China can bring all of its anti-submarine assets into play.

China has anti-submarine warfare capability.

1. China has a lot of nuclear and diesel-electric attack submarines. Japan is outgunned in quantity and quality.

2. China has Type 054A frigates and Type 056 light-frigates that have towed-array VDS (ie. variable depth sonar) to detect submarines.

3. China has a Sino-SOSUS network in the East China Sea.

4. China has Z-9C helicopters with anti-submarine warfare equipment that can fly from Type 052C/052D destroyers, Type 054A frigates, or Type 056 light frigates.

"Type 054A features a helipad and hangar for a medium sized helicopter."

5. China's Y-8Q is equivalent to the American Poseidon P-3C sub-hunter airplane.

In conclusion, Japanese Soryu submarines are not likely to survive for very long.
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Additionally, a Chinese Yuan with AIP should be far superior to a Japanese Soryu. The Chinese Yuan has flank sonar arrays. I believe the sonar arrays use interferometry. Also, China builds the world's fastest supercomputers. Since supercomputers are use in digital signal processing, China should have the edge in identifying a Japanese submarine.

The Chinese Type 095 submarine crew will gain valuable experience training on the digital simulator. Since the Chinese government is flush with a massive trade surplus, we expect Chinese submarine crews to be better-trained than Japanese crews.

Yuan submarine "low-frequency passive flank array"

The following is an excerpt of the full article regarding China's Yuan submarine at USNI News.

Essay: Inside the Design of China’s Yuan-class Submarine - USNI News

Japan's Soryu class is probably going to be some dead fishes in the East China Sea. The littoral waters are in China's side and are fully ambushed by China's own AIP sub fleet.

China's Type 095/093G will probably hunt down the Soryu subs in the deeper waters of the East China Sea.

 

[BoQ77]

This quantity is not like North Korea to build up several hundred of midget subs and thousand of missile boats.

This is the based on the quantity of the high end flag ships such as the aircraft carriers, cruisers/destroyers, and nuclear subs.

If US stay still, how many year for China to make 10 aircraft carriers and carrier based flankers and supportive fixed wingsfor those?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

If US stay still, how many year for China to make 10 aircraft carriers and carrier based flankers and supportive fixed wingsfor those?

In approximately 20 years, and the US will also stay with 10 supercarrier battlegroups in the next 20 years.

The modern aircraft carriers are extremely expensive and complicated to build, unlike those WWII aircraft carriers.

 

[BoQ77]

In approximately 20 years, and the US will also stay with 10 supercarrier battlegroups in the next 20 years.

The modern aircraft carriers are extremely expensive and complicated to build, unlike those WWII aircraft carriers.

As I know, the current and the next one of China are not supercarrier.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

As I know, the current and the next one of China are not supercarrier.

It doesn't matter, no one is building the supercarrier except the US.

So expect China to be the second country to build the nuclear supercarrier after 2020.

 

[BoQ77]

This quantity is not like North Korea to build up several hundred of midget subs and thousand of missile boats.

This is the based on the quantity of the high end flag ships such as the aircraft carriers, cruisers/destroyers, and nuclear subs.

It doesn't matter, no one is building the supercarrier except the US.

So expect China to be the second country to build the nuclear supercarrier after 2020.

So that's what I said And as your post, 20 years later , the quantity is no problem.

Again, when would China have supercarrier, 2024?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

So that's what I said And as your post, 20 years later , the quantity is no problem.

Again, when would China have supercarrier, 2024?

The first one could start the construction by 2020.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Japan's Soryu class is probably going to be some dead fishes in the East China Sea. The littoral waters are in China's side and are fully ambushed by China's own AIP sub fleet.

China's Type 095/093G will probably hunt down the Soryu subs in the deeper waters of the East China Sea.

aip subs are quieter than nuclear subs thats a fact.
noisy nuclear subs stay in littoral waters as they can be detected quiet easily as they are noisy and create a lot of vibrations due to the large pumps and cooling units for the reactor. it not only china even india their sub is restricted to littoral waters as it can be detected quiet easily.
but quiet nuclear sub can go where ever they feel like going and is only restricted by food supplies

As I know, the current and the next one of China are not supercarrier.

super carriers are 70000+ tonnes
so the liaoning just misses the "super carrier" label by 2500 tonne

@Deino, can you move some of the post son this thread to the relevant thread please, as it is not relevant to the type 052d
thanks

 

[Super Falcon]

PN should buy 2 of these rather than 4 F 22P frigates we need heavy fire power in arabian sea to maintain minimum deterance of conventional weapons

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

aip subs are quieter than nuclear subs thats a fact.
noisy nuclear subs stay in littoral waters as they can be detected quiet easily as they are noisy and create a lot of vibrations due to the large pumps and cooling units for the reactor. it not only china even india their sub is restricted to littoral waters as it can be detected quiet easily.
but quiet nuclear sub can go where ever they feel like going and is only restricted by food supplies

I meant the deep waters in the East China Sea, where the AIP subs can only sail at 2-3 knots or it gonna quickly drain out of battery power.

 

[BoQ77]

I meant the deep waters in the East China Sea, where the AIP subs can only sail at 2-3 knots or it gonna quickly drain out of battery power.

East China Sea isn't considered as deep water.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

East China Sea isn't considered as deep water.

The maximum depth is 2716 meters, and most nuclear sub won't dive beyond the depth of 500 meters.

East China Sea | sea, Pacific Ocean | Britannica.com

 

[BoQ77]

The maximum depth is 2716 meters, and most nuclear sub won't dive beyond the depth of 500 meters.

East China Sea | sea, Pacific Ocean | Britannica.com

Could you X mark the area with 2716 meter of depth in ECS ? please
is it in the Japan EEZ ?